Hoping a lot of people are leaving it late as the amount of tickets sold in North Lower so far is dire
I,ve been umming and rring about going all day but just don't enjoy these half empty reserve games and i don't like watching from the lower tiers - call me fairweather but im out.
Hoping a lot of people are leaving it late as the amount of tickets sold in North Lower so far is dire
I,ve been umming and rring about going all day but just don't enjoy these half empty reserve games and i don't like watching from the lower tiers - call me fairweather but im out.
But you was slating Charlton supporters for not attending & backing the club financially when able to go?
Hoping a lot of people are leaving it late as the amount of tickets sold in North Lower so far is dire
I,ve been umming and rring about going all day but just don't enjoy these half empty reserve games and i don't like watching from the lower tiers - call me fairweather but im out.
But you was slating Charlton supporters for not attending & backing the club financially when able to go?
Bingo - just waiting for that - always one - I’m not the perfect supporter, never said I was - I said I believe having a season ticket is the minimum requirement to be able to call yourself a supporter unless you have a good reason not to
And - if the club anc the rest of the football world start treating cup games as first team fixtures like they used to, I will start going again - getting a strong de ja vu from last season here
Not sure if Saturday was what people have been describing as Garnerball. It looked a pretty conventional 4-3-3 to me. I am happy about that. Play what suits the players not what the owner would like to in an ideal world.
What formation are you saying TS wants in an ideal world?
He wants an incompromising passing pressing game in an ideal World. In a way the formation is less important. What I am saying is the way we played on Saturday was not the passing and pressing game we were promised. That is what I meant about conventional. Well Derby's was closer to it I suppose. I actually think it is a good thing as we haven't got the players to play it IMO.
He wants an incompromising passing pressing game in an ideal World. In a way the formation is less important.
Where did he say that? Did I miss a quote? I don't think any team can press 'uncompromisngly' because you run out of stamina.
I don't personally think we quite pulled off Garner's plan on Saturday. Nothing he's doing has surprised me so far but obviously you had different expectations.
He wants an incompromising passing pressing game in an ideal World. In a way the formation is less important.
Where did he say that? Did I miss a quote? I don't think any team can press 'uncompromisngly' because you run out of stamina.
I don't personally think we quite pulled off Garner's plan on Saturday. Nothing he's doing has surprised me so far but obviously you had different expectations.
Good help us. Sandgaard has told us what he wanted. You can take the statements to the extreme but it is quite frankly tedius. On Saturday we passed less than Derby and basically played a counter attacking game in the second half, mixing it up and often going long. That is not what we were told we would be playing.
Tell you what, just say what you want. I can't be arsed.
He wants an incompromising passing pressing game in an ideal World. In a way the formation is less important. What I am saying is the way we played on Saturday was not the passing and pressing game we were promised. That is what I meant about conventional. Well Derby's was closer to it I suppose. I actually think it is a good thing as we haven't got the players to play it IMO.
I doubt Garner or TS expected us to instantly switch to playing that way but I expect we’ll continue working towards it. I don’t think it’s all about technical ability, it’s also the players learning where to be in certain situations, how to press effectively, decision making etc. We were outplayed too often last season by teams with smaller budgets, they were able to pass and press much better than we could. No reason why counter attacks and the odd direct ball can’t be part of a short passing and high pressing style, I don’t think TS necessarily wants us to play like 2010 Barcelona.
He wants an incompromising passing pressing game in an ideal World. In a way the formation is less important. What I am saying is the way we played on Saturday was not the passing and pressing game we were promised. That is what I meant about conventional. Well Derby's was closer to it I suppose. I actually think it is a good thing as we haven't got the players to play it IMO.
I doubt Garner or TS expected us to instantly switch to playing that way but I expect we’ll continue working towards it. I don’t think it’s all about technical ability, it’s also the players learning where to be in certain situations, how to press effectively, decision making etc. We were outplayed too often last season by teams with smaller budgets, they were able to pass and press much better than we could. No reason why counter attacks and the odd direct ball can’t be part of a short passing and high pressing style, I don’t think TS necessarily wants us to play like 2010 Barcelona.
Ok, the reason we can't play a short passing style is too many of our players can't pass reliably. Even O'Connell who was brought in can't do it. Maybe over time we can evolve in that way but I certainly read it as being this season which fightened me. Also, our best player is a holding midfielder who thank god got on the pitch on Saturday.
The passing from the pack played into Derby's hands and wasn't giving us anything so again thankfully we bypassed it. All good as far as I am concerned and credit to Garner. Pragmatism should trump a system every day of the week. Adkins should have ditched the system imposed on him last season when it was clear we didn't have the players for that.
He wants an incompromising passing pressing game in an ideal World. In a way the formation is less important. What I am saying is the way we played on Saturday was not the passing and pressing game we were promised. That is what I meant about conventional. Well Derby's was closer to it I suppose. I actually think it is a good thing as we haven't got the players to play it IMO.
I doubt Garner or TS expected us to instantly switch to playing that way but I expect we’ll continue working towards it. I don’t think it’s all about technical ability, it’s also the players learning where to be in certain situations, how to press effectively, decision making etc. We were outplayed too often last season by teams with smaller budgets, they were able to pass and press much better than we could. No reason why counter attacks and the odd direct ball can’t be part of a short passing and high pressing style, I don’t think TS necessarily wants us to play like 2010 Barcelona.
Strongly disagree with the first bit. "GarnerBall" is pretty much identical to what our underage teams have been playing for over a decade. And 90% of other academy teams.
It's not some revolutionary concept he concocted in a flat above a chippy in Norwood and has now decided the time is right to unleash it on the world.
The guy is an excellent coach. He gets his message across. He improves players.
He isn't the Karl Marx of 21st century football. Its implementation, not invention.
He wants an incompromising passing pressing game in an ideal World. In a way the formation is less important.
Where did he say that? Did I miss a quote? I don't think any team can press 'uncompromisngly' because you run out of stamina.
I don't personally think we quite pulled off Garner's plan on Saturday. Nothing he's doing has surprised me so far but obviously you had different expectations.
Good help us. Sandgaard has told us what he wanted. You can take the statements to the extreme but it is quite frankly tedius. On Saturday we passed less than Derby and basically played a counter attacking game in the second half, mixing it up and often going long. That is not what we were told we would be playing.
Tell you what, just say what you want. I can't be arsed.
You've totally lost me here... Where has that just come from.
He wants an incompromising passing pressing game in an ideal World. In a way the formation is less important.
Where did he say that? Did I miss a quote? I don't think any team can press 'uncompromisngly' because you run out of stamina.
I don't personally think we quite pulled off Garner's plan on Saturday. Nothing he's doing has surprised me so far but obviously you had different expectations.
Good help us. Sandgaard has told us what he wanted. You can take the statements to the extreme but it is quite frankly tedius. On Saturday we passed less than Derby and basically played a counter attacking game in the second half, mixing it up and often going long. That is not what we were told we would be playing.
Tell you what, just say what you want. I can't be arsed.
You've totally lost me here... Where has that just come from.
And me.
With the best will in the world, to even our most technical players, did anyone seriously expect us to try and play like Spain in 2010?
Fraser as a false 9?
This GarnerBall has been massively over egged in both people's expectations and the inability of our players to play "it'.
Hopefully that continues to help the midfield and defence relationship and Lavelle gets some minutes in place of risking Inniss. We also get minutes into DJ, Leaburn & Clayden.
I expect stronger players to be available off the bench too.
Be shocked if any of our starting 11 start this game.
He wants an incompromising passing pressing game in an ideal World. In a way the formation is less important. What I am saying is the way we played on Saturday was not the passing and pressing game we were promised. That is what I meant about conventional. Well Derby's was closer to it I suppose. I actually think it is a good thing as we haven't got the players to play it IMO.
I doubt Garner or TS expected us to instantly switch to playing that way but I expect we’ll continue working towards it. I don’t think it’s all about technical ability, it’s also the players learning where to be in certain situations, how to press effectively, decision making etc. We were outplayed too often last season by teams with smaller budgets, they were able to pass and press much better than we could. No reason why counter attacks and the odd direct ball can’t be part of a short passing and high pressing style, I don’t think TS necessarily wants us to play like 2010 Barcelona.
Strongly disagree with the first bit. "GarnerBall" is pretty much identical to what our underage teams have been playing for over a decade. And 90% of other academy teams.
It's not some revolutionary concept he concocted in a flat above a chippy in Norwood and has now decided the time is right to unleash it on the world.
The guy is an excellent coach. He gets his message across. He improves players.
He isn't the Karl Marx of 21st century football. Its implementation, not invention.
That’s what I’m saying, it’s not an instant change where we’ll be playing it exactly how Garner wants us to straight away. It’ll evolve over time, and as you say it’s not completely alien to our players with it being the way academies have generally played in this country for the last decade or so.
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I make you right, expecting Clayden to play but trying to find the clue...
I don't personally think we quite pulled off Garner's plan on Saturday. Nothing he's doing has surprised me so far but obviously you had different expectations.
Tell you what, just say what you want. I can't be arsed.
The passing from the pack played into Derby's hands and wasn't giving us anything so again thankfully we bypassed it. All good as far as I am concerned and credit to Garner. Pragmatism should trump a system every day of the week. Adkins should have ditched the system imposed on him last season when it was clear we didn't have the players for that.
It's not some revolutionary concept he concocted in a flat above a chippy in Norwood and has now decided the time is right to unleash it on the world.
The guy is an excellent coach. He gets his message across. He improves players.
He isn't the Karl Marx of 21st century football. Its implementation, not invention.
With the best will in the world, to even our most technical players, did anyone seriously expect us to try and play like Spain in 2010?
Fraser as a false 9?
This GarnerBall has been massively over egged in both people's expectations and the inability of our players to play "it'.