BG doing a Bowyer the old mind games and playing down our chances taking the pressure of the players especially the younger ones but he wants top 6 …. Today it was about key moments the hand ball for the goal that gave them a lift and Raki miss when we were on top and it would have made it 2-2 ..
We are going to lose games every one does even the top sides but we will win as well , stay in the pack see who we get in Jan and then go for it …
Don’t tell anybody, but i have info on who we get in January. Fecking no one…… !!!! You starting trying to get promoted from the start of the season not bloody half way through……
I have to agree with you Raplh. The January window is the most problematic, I also see no reason why TS will change his current mind set. He has a problem though which he may or may not have thought about. Todays message from Garner will ultimately have an effect on attendances as will any loss of form which any loss through injury or suspension is almost bound to occur, it happened last year with the loss of three of our forwards, we'd be very lucky to avoid another injury crisis this year. TS can cut costs to the bone but it does have an effect and the matchday ticket pricing policy is not dynamic enough to overcome that effect.
I agree with most of what you say Bailey Particularly re the injury crisis I know we cant reverse history but J J had an injury crisis with the front line, and it was 1 step forward 2 steps back for over 4 -5 weeks. And yes i was definitely a fan of giving J J longer, along with a modest budget.TS would have saved money and gone straight into thr transfer market, and not wasted weeks searching for a new manager who was perhaps 2nd or 3rd chioice, any way Put that rant to one side, i sometimes note that there is always a bolter or two that seems to go on a run towards the end of the season ,and reaches the play offs. Oxford springs to mind. If we can be such a 'bolter' after the Jan window , all won't be lost .I feel the nucleus of a winning team is there.. I think that B G can build on it, If TS has learned a BIG lesson of this. pre season, recruiting (not ) nightmare, He should also listen and learn from the masters like Curbs and co. I have high hopes of a strong finish- Personally speaking., this is my strongest hope now. The reality (dont you just hate that word) is that we are going nowhere with this current team as a whole
I'm with you on this post, and with hindsight (isn't that also a wonderful word) giving JJ more time, which is something I was in favour of at the time, with a bit of cash, could have been a good idea, but if we have learnt anything about Thomas it is that he has no patience and little idea of how best to run CAFC, bull in a china shop springs to mind. I agree with the Curbs idea, but Thomas just doesn't think he does anything wrong, and with his little band of family members around all will be fine...deluded or what!!
Sandgaard is a clown. He has no idea how to run a football club and he is reluctant to spend the money that is needed to build a squad capable of gaining promotion. We shall remain in league one all the while he is our owner. All we can do as fan's is support the team and hope a better owner comes along sooner rather than later.
Not doing what I told them, not doing what we worked on.
But he has done it in a way that doesn't sound like he passing the buck.
I wonder how long it will take to realise,TS sacking JJ was a mistake All pre season has been wasted, banging on ,getting a new manager, who is just another, bang average manager, when we should have launched ,straight into the transfer market. Selling Washington was the icing on the cake, as he was never replaced. The younger amongst us will say this is an over reaction The older amongst us will say weve seen it all before. The lunatics are STILL running the asylum,
You had a beer ? We were dog shit under JJ last season. Garner has pretty much the same team and has them playing way better than JJ ever did.
Sandgaard is a clown. He has no idea how to run a football club and he is reluctant to spend the money that is needed to build a squad capable of gaining promotion. We shall remain in league one all the while he is our owner. All we can do as fan's is support the team and hope a better owner comes along sooner rather than later.
The thing is. When he came in and last season, he was happy to waste money. We could have done with a small amount of the money he has wasted now but he is that kind of fool I suppose when it comes to football. What has probably happened is that he has realised it is not a simple case of being cleverer than everybody else, especailly when you knowledge levels of the game are so low. That I presume is why so many have said he needed a CEO. He certainly needed somebody to tell him buying Schwartz and Aneke were not bright ideas.
Not at game nor did I watch a pirate VPN service so no comment about the match itself. Also wont be posting much this coming week as I've frankly had enough. TS dont care so I wont either.
Suffice to say a half completed squad will only get you so far. I hate being right & hate being slagged off for saying so.....so I'll leave you to fight it out amongst yourselves and ponder how teams like ipswich who actually spend money & recruit properly, can then win away at Accrington (such a hard place to go to I'm told) and go top.
When people finally take off their blinkers & realise that the plan after all was to rely on the youth players & free transfers then we might be able to have a sensible discussion on whether the assembled squad can finish anywhere near the top 6.
Bang on again mate....I am in the process of booking a holiday next year at the end of May.
I have booked from the 29th for a week and then it dawned on me the play offs. Found out the final for L1 is on the 28th, do you think i should go ahead and book the weekend too.
Not doing what I told them, not doing what we worked on.
But he has done it in a way that doesn't sound like he passing the buck.
I wonder how long it will take to realise,TS sacking JJ was a mistake All pre season has been wasted, banging on ,getting a new manager, who is just another, bang average manager, when we should have launched ,straight into the transfer market. Selling Washington was the icing on the cake, as he was never replaced. The younger amongst us will say this is an over reaction The older amongst us will say weve seen it all before. The lunatics are STILL running the asylum,
You had a beer ? We were dog shit under JJ last season. Garner has pretty much the same team and has them playing way better than JJ ever did.
From what I've seen there is no contest that the philosophy and approach of Garner is a step up on JJ's.
However, the fact Garner's approach hasn't received the support it needed in re-shaping the squad means the net result in the short term is likely to be that we are the same under Garner as we were under Jackson - a mid table league one team going more or less nowhere.
Given the money that has been spent removing Jackson + staff and hiring Garner + staff, combined with the time we wasted doing this and starting more or less from scratch with the footballing structure, I don't think pointing the above out at this point is objectively unreasonable.
If Sandgaard isn't going to support his own man and professed style properly, apart from seeing a better looking football product, we are absolutely no further forward now and arguably behind where we could have been.
Sandgaard is a clown. He has no idea how to run a football club and he is reluctant to spend the money that is needed to build a squad capable of gaining promotion. We shall remain in league one all the while he is our owner. All we can do as fan's is support the team and hope a better owner comes along sooner rather than later.
The thing is. When he came in and last season, he was happy to waste money. We could have done with a small amount of the money he has waated now but he is that kind of fool I suppose when it comes to football. What has probably happened is that he has realised it is not a simple case of being cleverer than everybody else, especailly when you knowledge levels of the game are so low. That I presume is why so many have said he needed a CEO. He certainly needed somebody to tell him buying Schwartz and Aneke were not bright ideas.
It was exactly the same under Duchatelet in that regard, in the early days he threw money around structured as loans like it was going out of fashion. Sacking managers every 6 months, bringing in players on ridiculous contracts like Sarr and Teixiera, paying hefty fees. If only he was a frugal b***and from the start - his exit requirements could've been a fraction of what they are now!
Watching that game yesterday I just realised that we don't have a striker anywhere near as good as Charles, or a defender anywhere near as good as Santos. Our version is Stockley and Lavelle. A bit of a wake-up call as to the strength of our spine.
We've had a number of players off the boil since Cambridge at home. I'd like to see Garner start dropping people now.
Set pieces have been miserable this season.
BG has every right to say what he said but can't imagine it will do the team's confidence much good.
I thought exactly the same about Charles. He would fit our system so well. Pulls wide, good in the air and on the deck, holds the ball up, runs at people and gambles. He also doesn’t run like an elephant in quick sand.
I was literally thinking exactly this, just now. You read my mind. Get Payne in there somewhere too. We need busy players who will move around and cause problems
Good luck defending corners.
The next time someone defends picking Stockley for this reason I swear to fucking god
The BG comments about needing another 2 windows, as much as we don’t want to hear them, are fair imo. These things take time and rarely does a manager go in and get it right straight away. Unfortunately for us, the levels of frustration after 10 out of 14 years in league one are such that we on edge and it doesn’t take much to push us over it, a defeat, lack of a deadline day signing or signings for example.
However, the worry for me is how many windows, and what do those windows look like. As much as I welcome our new signings and think some of them look decent, if we are playing in the free transfers and loan market, it might take more than 2 windows, especially if those free transfers are being compromised of players in League two and clubs in an around us in League One, with the unpredictability of the loan market to boot. I get you can make the argument that this was how we did our business in 18/19 and before that in 11/12, it just seems as though the transfer business since 20/21 has been poor. I hope this won’t be the same of the new bunch, but we just can’t tell at the moment.
Opening weeks of the season are frustrating in that optimism is high. A win or a couple of wins and we’re conditioned to tell ourselves it will be a good season and so and so looks a good addition. I fell for it a lot in recent years. Under Peeters, Luzon and even Bowyer’s team in the opening weeks of the Championship season, and that was with a team including Taylor, Gallagher and Cullen. It works both ways, and I could be wrong, and this class of 22/23 could go onto do the business, but I would urge caution and I think a lot of people are still caught up in the new school year and haven’t had their first rip of their blazer yet, or first detention for want of a better analogy.
The next few games will tell us more. I don’t really buy into this ‘played teams in the top half’ mantra, because it’s League One and we’ve not just been promoted to the Premier League, we should, if we’re going to have a successful season, get a result at a Wednesday or a Bolton.
The general consensus is that since Plymouth who were down to 10 men, we’ve not been great. It may be another very trying season
Watched the game with dad, a Derby and a Wednesday fan. All of us felt we were way off the pace of the game. Bolton just looked in control when in possession even though they had loose balls here and there, they won so many more 2nd balls than we did. When they had possession they were a few passes away from our box, often with a 60-70 yard switch ball to the far wing and hit the man time and time again.
We had a few chances to be fair and a 5-2 result wouldn't have been unfair. I'm not so sure we had an off day, more we had a reality check. Garner's system has already been worked out by the smart managers with a good squad. We CAN compete I'm sure, but not for a top 6 spot. I respect Garner for saying it how it is, not how it isn't. He's a decent guy and knows well-informed fans can smell bullshit. He has come out and said what he's said, because if anyone is going to get called a bullshitter, he sure as hell doesn't want it to be him.
Bowyer called it right preseason that we'd be lucky to finish in 21st spot. The luck wasn't in that year. For Garner to say 6th is punching above this teams weight, he sees what almost every fan sees and knows TS can also see it. He must be so pissed off that the essential replacements did not materialise.
The window is shut so there's no point arguing about who we could or should have bought. We now have 17 league games before the transfer window reopens (if you count 1st January). That's half the season done with this squad. Buckle up guys it's going to be a bumby ride.
Outstanding summary. Sensible conclusion. This is a minimum two year project.
A 2 year project whilst the man pulling the strings has cited his main objective is to break even in league one. Given that I can't see attendances increasing materially with potential for the opposite in the absence of a barnstorming season on the pitch the only way to do that is slash costs. He has already reduced the SMT to Gallen, his partner and son and and there don't appear to be any c suite level appointments directing the club or its strategy in any area since the departures of the Roddys, Mumfords and Jokats.
Several long serving Charlton fan employees have left the front and back office in the past year and I don't expect replacements will be on the same money or silly money if so.
You can't buy anything in the shop online other than kits...I've tried all summer and since start of the season... and so the only revenue stream is tickets, hospitality etc again which will likely shift proportionate to success on the pitch....regardless of daily emails, texts and calls trying to upsell to season ticket holders.
Therefore the only other way to increase revenue is sell players at a profit...Leaburn maybe? and reduce costs by continually reducing squad costs.
As each season passes it will be harder and harder to achieve an already questionable objective of breaking even in League one and can only see further cuts/ leaner transfer windows over next 2 years under this objective. Assuming the objective is anything other than this months latest nonsensical soundbite that won't materialise.
To break even in this league you are essentially looking at downgrading the club to a Fleetwood or Accrington to getting anywhere near achieving that. Not the key objective of 99.9% of Charlton fans and all the talk of pressing attractive football (albeit with little end product) will do little to make that appealing to an ever dwindling fan base.
The maths and reality of it don't add up and talk of 2 year projects is just kicking the can down the road giving the fans something to hope for which will unlikely materialise if the same approach is taken i.e. minimal spend by which time Garner will have likely moved on citing taken as far as he can or something more diplomatic or getting booted as the latest scapegoat for failure to deliver under this set up to fail strategy.
I remember some one saying at Wigan Station last season 'these sort of results only annoy you if you think we're supposed to be challenging for promotion'.
Think we'll have to be adopting that mantra a fair bit this season.
Not at game nor did I watch a pirate VPN service so no comment about the match itself. Also wont be posting much this coming week as I've frankly had enough. TS dont care so I wont either.
Suffice to say a half completed squad will only get you so far. I hate being right & hate being slagged off for saying so.....so I'll leave you to fight it out amongst yourselves and ponder how teams like ipswich who actually spend money & recruit properly, can then win away at Accrington (such a hard place to go to I'm told) and go top.
When people finally take off their blinkers & realise that the plan after all was to rely on the youth players & free transfers then we might be able to have a sensible discussion on whether the assembled squad can finish anywhere near the top 6.
Bang on again mate....I am in the process of booking a holiday next year at the end of May.
I have booked from the 29th for a week and then it dawned on me the play offs. Found out the final for L1 is on the 28th, do you think i should go ahead and book the weekend too.
Yes book it. If we do by some miracle make the play off final you can claim credit for it.
Clayden looked like a kid in a adults game. Trying to dribble past 4 players on the halfway line. That approach is best left for school football.
Yesterday showed exactly why players like Clayden and Leaburn should only be getting some minutes this season, but yet again we're over reliant on youngsters that clearly aren't ready to play week in week out
Watching that game yesterday I just realised that we don't have a striker anywhere near as good as Charles, or a defender anywhere near as good as Santos. Our version is Stockley and Lavelle. A bit of a wake-up call as to the strength of our spine.
We've had a number of players off the boil since Cambridge at home. I'd like to see Garner start dropping people now.
Set pieces have been miserable this season.
BG has every right to say what he said but can't imagine it will do the team's confidence much good.
More concerned about what Thomas Sandgaard thought about Ben Garner's honest words. Pro footballers and part time players know it's a roller coaster and you're only as good or bad as your last match.
There's a reason why goal scorers at non League level earn double and in some case treble what their part time colleges earn. I'm ITK at that level !
Shame we couldn't have enjoyed the Plymouth win for longer as the reality of our present situations and yet another manager at Cafc with a difficult remit.
The 4-3-3 will ultimately fail at Cafc because the squad we have now until January won't be able to convert enough chances and we won't keep many clean sheets. Sad but true.
Not at game nor did I watch a pirate VPN service so no comment about the match itself. Also wont be posting much this coming week as I've frankly had enough. TS dont care so I wont either.
Suffice to say a half completed squad will only get you so far. I hate being right & hate being slagged off for saying so.....so I'll leave you to fight it out amongst yourselves and ponder how teams like ipswich who actually spend money & recruit properly, can then win away at Accrington (such a hard place to go to I'm told) and go top.
When people finally take off their blinkers & realise that the plan after all was to rely on the youth players & free transfers then we might be able to have a sensible discussion on whether the assembled squad can finish anywhere near the top 6.
Bang on again mate....I am in the process of booking a holiday next year at the end of May.
I have booked from the 29th for a week and then it dawned on me the play offs. Found out the final for L1 is on the 28th, do you think i should go ahead and book the weekend too.
We won’t be needing the play offs. We’re going straight up. We will be playing in Europe in a couple of seasons - Sandgaard said so.
At the end of two more transfer windows how many of our better players will still be here?
This is exactly the point. I can't see how it happens unless we buy players.
As it stands we probably need 3. The 2 loans will need replacing. Clayden, Morgan, JFC, Inniss and Clare are all in their last year. Maybe no loss in terms of quality but you do need numbers.
That's 10 next summer, less what ever we sign at Christmas.
That's before we sell any assets to try and break even. Good luck doing that without spending more money.
I hope that the Sandgaards watched every second of that shite. It is plain for all to see that we need at least 6 in and 6 out of the club. He and the rest of the optimistic lifers are living in cloud cuckoo land if they believe that the youngsters, Stockley, Morgan, Lavelle and Kirk are going to get us up. Forget about Aneke and Inniss they are an absolute waste of space who are draining the club. 5 year plan, fill the valley,attacking, pressing football, increase the revenue. The man is deluded, as are a lot of the fans who cant see through it. Another season down the drain.
4 Weeks ago i would of given this an LOL. Today I've given it a 'like' I get TS wants to run break even but as other posters have said this is not possible in L1. Not signing a forward will turn out to be a huge mistake, like (IMO) the resigning of Aneke. I can see a Championship team coming in for Ben Garner. I'm thinking mid table finish at best. None of this is on Garner, who I think is a great manager. As @rob said in an earlier post I think Morale could become a problem. Stockley seems unable to score, a mate of mine who is a Preston season ticket holder swears blind Stockley is not a 20 goal a season striker.
Cause your Preston mate has watched him repeatedly play at a high level, he is nowhere near a 20 goal a season striker. He did it once for Exeter in 2016-17, all comps 25, league 20 and the following season he got 16 altogether they were all in the league. That’s in League 2 around 5-6 years ago. He has arguably declined as a player since then and other than when he first joined us and was winning every header he has not looked like a decent player.
I’ve got nothing against him as does try but the bloke genuinely said he is hitting his headers too clean and that’s why they’re not going in.. he moans at his teammates constantly after offering no opportunities, he can’t run with the ball, he can barely link play, he doesn’t find space and even if he did he’s too slow to chase the ball, he doesn’t win headers and that’s even when he isn’t double marked, I’ve seen him lose loads of aerial duels to different players. He would be a decent option off the bench if we were desperate, but he should not be leading the line for a club that supposedly (laughable now) has premier league ambition
Josh Magennis was head and shoulders above him and people used to give him stick, I’d even say I preferred watching Ajose up top
I was literally thinking exactly this, just now. You read my mind. Get Payne in there somewhere too. We need busy players who will move around and cause problems
Good luck defending corners.
The next time someone defends picking Stockley for this reason I swear to fucking god
I agree on that point, but still the question remains.
I dont think we should refer to Premier League ambition when Championship ambition seems beyond us. Albet 'laughable'. One step at a time. The first step looks like Mount F*ing Everest this morning.
At the end of two more transfer windows how many of our better players will still be here?
This is exactly the point. I can't see how it happens unless we buy players.
As it stands we probably need 3. The 2 loans will need replacing. Clayden, Morgan, JFC, Inniss and Clare are all in their last year. Maybe no loss in terms of quality but you do need numbers.
That's 10 next summer, less what ever we sign at Christmas.
That's before we sell any assets to try and break even. Good luck doing that without spending more money.
I really can't square that circle.
If you're Man City under Pep you can build each season, as you have the top manager in the world, paying some of the best wages.
It doesn't work like that in L1. The best players and the talented youngsters will be targeted by bigger clubs in January or next summer. Players out of contract at the end of the season will be considering other clubs, and if they get better offers will leave then or be sold in January to get a fee. Loan players go back at the end of the season (if not recalled in January).
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I agree with the Curbs idea, but Thomas just doesn't think he does anything wrong, and with his little band of family members around all will be fine...deluded or what!!
He has no idea how to run a football club and he is reluctant to spend the money that is needed to build a squad capable of gaining promotion.
We shall remain in league one all the while he is our owner.
All we can do as fan's is support the team and hope a better owner comes along sooner rather than later.
I have booked from the 29th for a week and then it dawned on me the play offs. Found out the final for L1 is on the 28th, do you think i should go ahead and book the weekend too.
However, the fact Garner's approach hasn't received the support it needed in re-shaping the squad means the net result in the short term is likely to be that we are the same under Garner as we were under Jackson - a mid table league one team going more or less nowhere.
Given the money that has been spent removing Jackson + staff and hiring Garner + staff, combined with the time we wasted doing this and starting more or less from scratch with the footballing structure, I don't think pointing the above out at this point is objectively unreasonable.
If Sandgaard isn't going to support his own man and professed style properly, apart from seeing a better looking football product, we are absolutely no further forward now and arguably behind where we could have been.
However, the worry for me is how many windows, and what do those windows look like. As much as I welcome our new signings and think some of them look decent, if we are playing in the free transfers and loan market, it might take more than 2 windows, especially if those free transfers are being compromised of players in League two and clubs in an around us in League One, with the unpredictability of the loan market to boot. I get you can make the argument that this was how we did our business in 18/19 and before that in 11/12, it just seems as though the transfer business since 20/21 has been poor. I hope this won’t be the same of the new bunch, but we just can’t tell at the moment.
A 2 year project whilst the man pulling the strings has cited his main objective is to break even in league one. Given that I can't see attendances increasing materially with potential for the opposite in the absence of a barnstorming season on the pitch the only way to do that is slash costs. He has already reduced the SMT to Gallen, his partner and son and and there don't appear to be any c suite level appointments directing the club or its strategy in any area since the departures of the Roddys, Mumfords and Jokats.
Several long serving Charlton fan employees have left the front and back office in the past year and I don't expect replacements will be on the same money or silly money if so.
You can't buy anything in the shop online other than kits...I've tried all summer and since start of the season... and so the only revenue stream is tickets, hospitality etc again which will likely shift proportionate to success on the pitch....regardless of daily emails, texts and calls trying to upsell to season ticket holders.
Therefore the only other way to increase revenue is sell players at a profit...Leaburn maybe? and reduce costs by continually reducing squad costs.
As each season passes it will be harder and harder to achieve an already questionable objective of breaking even in League one and can only see further cuts/ leaner transfer windows over next 2 years under this objective. Assuming the objective is anything other than this months latest nonsensical soundbite that won't materialise.
To break even in this league you are essentially looking at downgrading the club to a Fleetwood or Accrington to getting anywhere near achieving that. Not the key objective of 99.9% of Charlton fans and all the talk of pressing attractive football (albeit with little end product) will do little to make that appealing to an ever dwindling fan base.
The maths and reality of it don't add up and talk of 2 year projects is just kicking the can down the road giving the fans something to hope for which will unlikely materialise if the same approach is taken i.e. minimal spend by which time Garner will have likely moved on citing taken as far as he can or something more diplomatic or getting booted as the latest scapegoat for failure to deliver under this set up to fail strategy.
Think we'll have to be adopting that mantra a fair bit this season.
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More concerned about what Thomas Sandgaard thought about Ben Garner's honest words. Pro footballers and part time players know it's a roller coaster and you're only as good or bad as your last match.
There's a reason why goal scorers at non League level earn double and in some case treble what their part time colleges earn. I'm ITK at that level !
Shame we couldn't have enjoyed the Plymouth win for longer as the reality of our present situations and yet another manager at Cafc with a difficult remit.
The 4-3-3 will ultimately fail at Cafc because the squad we have now until January won't be able to convert enough chances and we won't keep many clean sheets. Sad but true.
As it stands we probably need 3. The 2 loans will need replacing. Clayden, Morgan, JFC, Inniss and Clare are all in their last year. Maybe no loss in terms of quality but you do need numbers.
That's 10 next summer, less what ever we sign at Christmas.
That's before we sell any assets to try and break even. Good luck doing that without spending more money.
I really can't square that circle.
Josh Magennis was head and shoulders above him and people used to give him stick, I’d even say I preferred watching Ajose up top
It doesn't work like that in L1. The best players and the talented youngsters will be targeted by bigger clubs in January or next summer. Players out of contract at the end of the season will be considering other clubs, and if they get better offers will leave then or be sold in January to get a fee. Loan players go back at the end of the season (if not recalled in January).