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Post-match Thread: Bolton Wanderers v Charlton Athletic | Sat 3rd Sep 2022 3pm
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I got chatting to a gas fitter, laying pipes in the street. He also happened to be a striker for Boston United and had scored 27 the previous season and was having trials with Sheffield F. C and Buxton. Even at that level he was pulling in £500 a game. Nothing to be sniffed at.soapboxsam said
There's a reason why goal scorers at non League level earn double and in some case treble what their part time colleges earn. I'm ITK at that level !0 -
A striker who scores and lays pipes.0
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I get the point your making but there's probably a decent argument for trying something that MIGHT not even work over persevering with something that's proven already NOT to work?cabbles said:
I can understand why this changing of the front 3 has already come up because of how ineffective Stockley looks, but I feel this clutching at straws a bit. DJ was by all accounts being shipped off to League 2 Mansfield, CBT for all his raw pace and the way he goes at defenders hasn’t shown that much in the way of end product, and it seems we’re throwing this out there more because Stockley isn’t working, as opposed to thinking this is actually something that would workCallumcafc said:
I like the front three (especially the rotation possibilities, that would give any defence in this league a headache) but I think the only change I’d make in midfield is McGrandles in for Morgan atm.Leuth said:
Close to what I'd pick, but I'm a bit more radical. Let's total-football this shitDazzler21 said:
Easy suggestion is Payne in for Albie.Leuth said:
I was literally thinking exactly this, just now. You read my mind. Get Payne in there somewhere too. We need busy players who will move around and cause problemswmcf123 said:Is it time to try a DJ/ CBT/JRS front three ?WollacottClare - Lavelle - O'Connell - ClaydenDobsonFraser - PayneRak-Sakyi - Jaiyesimi - B.TaylorF
Wollacott
Clare - Dobson - EOC - whoever's fit
Payne - Morgan - Fraser
JRS - DJ - CBT
I don’t mean it to sound harsh Re: your opinions, and I completely get the suggestion being put forward, but anyone of them playing through the middle and the three of them together is a bit Leko & Lee last season when we had the injury crisis up top, makeshift.
If anything you give Leaburn a start alongside CBT and JRS maybe. However, I don’t think he’s ready for that burden to start yet
Yes it might very well be the same old shit (or a new, different kind of shit for that matter) but Jackson rightly got stick for being inflexible about such things and frankly I expect more/better from Garner.0 -
Pretty much spot on except not from Greenwich Uni.RickAddick said:
I was wondering that too...Southbank said:I wonder how long TS will tolerate paying Curbs and Brownie to lay in to the team and the way the club is managed. And put up with Garner saying the squad is too weak.
Expecting Curbs and Brownie to be amongst the next sackings.
To be replaced by some kids doing a media studies course at Greenwich Uni on a (free) internment arrangement, with punditry from Academy players.
A no brainer!
(Invoice for consultancy fees on its way to SE7)1 -
Or DJ. His best performances for Swindon were in a false nine role.Addickhead86 said:
I'd genuinely have a look at Payne up in a fluid front 3 of him, CBT and JRS. It might be a complete failure but at least the defenders would have to move around.Kap10 said:
Maybe because it is unfair to burden Miles with the responsibility of leading the line, that's why we needed a striker.ross1 said:If Man U can leave their captain on the bench, why can't we?1 -
Would also be very tempted to drop Kirk after Saturday. Lavelle, Clayden and Stockley were weak because of capability in this system. Kirk just did what Kirk wanted to do, not what the team needed - frustrating because I think he is a very capable player.Callumcafc said:
I like the front three (especially the rotation possibilities, that would give any defence in this league a headache) but I think the only change I’d make in midfield is McGrandles in for Morgan atm.Leuth said:
Close to what I'd pick, but I'm a bit more radical. Let's total-football this shitDazzler21 said:
Easy suggestion is Payne in for Albie.Leuth said:
I was literally thinking exactly this, just now. You read my mind. Get Payne in there somewhere too. We need busy players who will move around and cause problemswmcf123 said:Is it time to try a DJ/ CBT/JRS front three ?WollacottClare - Lavelle - O'Connell - ClaydenDobsonFraser - PayneRak-Sakyi - Jaiyesimi - B.TaylorF
Wollacott
Clare - Dobson - EOC - whoever's fit
Payne - Morgan - Fraser
JRS - DJ - CBT2 -
Payne in for Morgan and maybe give Leaburn a start up top. I’d be tempted to leave Stockley there though with two games at home. Try and push Payne nearer him for lay offs and knock downs. Payne scored for Swindon coming onto the ball around the edge of the area.2
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Callumcafc said:
I like the front three (especially the rotation possibilities, that would give any defence in this league a headache) but I think the only change I’d make in midfield is McGrandles in for Morgan atm.Leuth said:
Close to what I'd pick, but I'm a bit more radical. Let's total-football this shitDazzler21 said:
Easy suggestion is Payne in for Albie.Leuth said:
I was literally thinking exactly this, just now. You read my mind. Get Payne in there somewhere too. We need busy players who will move around and cause problemswmcf123 said:Is it time to try a DJ/ CBT/JRS front three ?WollacottClare - Lavelle - O'Connell - ClaydenDobsonFraser - PayneRak-Sakyi - Jaiyesimi - B.TaylorF
Wollacott
Clare - Dobson - EOC - whoever's fit
Payne - Morgan - Fraser
JRS - DJ - CBT
Really puzzled by this particularly DJ as a sort of goalscorer.He's shown very little in this regard, I'd even say he was goal shy, no pace or particularly physical, and if he's Teddy Sheringham he's kept it really hidden. Please explain.
Play Miles instead- a lot of weight on young shoulders -wouldn't that make more sense?0 -
Golfie’s son?LargeAddick said:
Pretty much spot on except not from Greenwich Uni.RickAddick said:
I was wondering that too...Southbank said:I wonder how long TS will tolerate paying Curbs and Brownie to lay in to the team and the way the club is managed. And put up with Garner saying the squad is too weak.
Expecting Curbs and Brownie to be amongst the next sackings.
To be replaced by some kids doing a media studies course at Greenwich Uni on a (free) internment arrangement, with punditry from Academy players.
A no brainer!
(Invoice for consultancy fees on its way to SE7)0 -
Garner is not allowed to change tactics. He's been brought in to play sandgaard football. He's just a yes man.7
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He's using the formation and Tactics he used at Swindon. He also made the call on all of our completed summer signings, raiding his old club and picking the players that impressed him from that level.Stonewallpenalty19 said:Garner is not allowed to change tactics. He's been brought in to play sandgaard football. He's just a yes man.
He's come out in the media and criticised the lack of signings through the back end of the window.
If you think he's a yes man, you're blind and deaf.13 -
He’s already made tactical tweaks and used a different formation and I expect that to continue.Stonewallpenalty19 said:Garner is not allowed to change tactics. He's been brought in to play sandgaard football. He's just a yes man.
What you’re referring to is Garner’s playing style. He won’t change it but not because TS won’t let him or because he’s a yes man - TS has brought in a manager who plays the style he’s after.
Garner would never play a long ball game because it’s not how he sees the game.
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Did the players get boooo’d off at ht ?1
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I would drop Kirk, Levlle, Clayden and Morgan for CBT, Inniss (if fit or Lavelle stays in), Sess if fit, Chin if not and McGrandles. I think Payne is better suited to a forward pressing role than box to box - latter is where McGrandles should come into his own. Not just the defeat being considered in respect to the change up, draws before too. We need a win next time out!0
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Would pay good money to see @golfaddick doing a fanzone broadcast of one of our gamesScoham said:
Golfie’s son?LargeAddick said:
Pretty much spot on except not from Greenwich Uni.RickAddick said:
I was wondering that too...Southbank said:I wonder how long TS will tolerate paying Curbs and Brownie to lay in to the team and the way the club is managed. And put up with Garner saying the squad is too weak.
Expecting Curbs and Brownie to be amongst the next sackings.
To be replaced by some kids doing a media studies course at Greenwich Uni on a (free) internment arrangement, with punditry from Academy players.
A no brainer!
(Invoice for consultancy fees on its way to SE7)
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Nooohaahmortimer said:Did the players get boooo’d off at ht ?1 -
More evidence accumulating that booooing improves our performance and no boooooing doesn't1
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My mum and dad booed me and I didn't half turn out well!!!!!5
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Showmetheway2gohome said:The 3 forwards were all isolated they need to be closer together when the ball went up to stockley he had no one around him to win the second ball.Why did we let purrington go with no replacement Clayden was caught out defensively but he would have been better playing where Kirk was.Kirk still looks like his lacking confidence to beat his man or when shooting. Crossing best in the club. Hopefully he will improve.
id like to see Caskey on the bench from now on it’s a waste him not being involved.with Morgan below par he would have been ideal replacement.Surprised to see we went 442 last 10 minutes with leaburn and stockley up top.System gets wrote of to easily now days. Everyone thinks you should play like Liverpool or Man City. But there not playing in league 1
It's called a plan B when your plan A isn't working.
Because against Cambridge it was 1-1 and by playing Leaburn closer to Stockley we looked dangerous up front for the first time in the 2nd half. Morgan was put on the left and Payne drifted to the right.
Again only for about 10 minutes and that Included added time.
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By replacing Olly Groome with an intern, similar to Olly 11 years ago, Thomas Sandgaard can save 500k a year.2
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Leuth said:My mum and dad booed me and I didn't half turn out well!!!!!
That would explain a few things !
If anyone was playing a game and your own parents started booing 🤦🏻♂️
Other than Oohaah have that ever happened?
I had parents telling me how good their kids were in games and then being their biggest critic during a match which I nipped in the bud while I was the head honcho.1 -
Yeah it's all going so well. I'm the blind and deaf one.Dazzler21 said:
He's using the formation and Tactics he used at Swindon. He also made the call on all of our completed summer signings, raiding his old club and picking the players that impressed him from that level.Stonewallpenalty19 said:Garner is not allowed to change tactics. He's been brought in to play sandgaard football. He's just a yes man.
He's come out in the media and criticised the lack of signings through the back end of the window.
If you think he's a yes man, you're blind and deaf.
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This Garnerball that people constantly keep referring to DOES NOT EXIST.
Ben Garner failed at Bristol rovers and had one decent season at Swindon.
The only reason we have Swindon players is because he yessed his way through the interview. He can't change the philosophy now because he has just said yes to everything. He Realises it isn't going to work and trying to save his reputation before he's down the job centre in November.
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I'm booing you until your opinions improve. BooooooooooStonewallpenalty19 said:This Garnerball that people constantly keep referring to DOES NOT EXIST.
Ben Garner failed at Bristol rovers and had one decent season at Swindon.
The only reason we have Swindon players is because he yessed his way through the interview. He can't change the philosophy now because he has just said yes to everything. He Realises it isn't going to work and trying to save his reputation before he's down the job centre in November.6 -
There's zero signs that Garner is a yes man. He is literally talking out about our business not being good enough publicly.Stonewallpenalty19 said:
Yeah it's all going so well. I'm the blind and deaf one.Dazzler21 said:
He's using the formation and Tactics he used at Swindon. He also made the call on all of our completed summer signings, raiding his old club and picking the players that impressed him from that level.Stonewallpenalty19 said:Garner is not allowed to change tactics. He's been brought in to play sandgaard football. He's just a yes man.
He's come out in the media and criticised the lack of signings through the back end of the window.
If you think he's a yes man, you're blind and deaf.3 -
Sandgaard: can you play attacking football?Dazzler21 said:
There's zero signs that Garner is a yes man. He is literally talking out about our business not being good e Septembe publicly.Stonewallpenalty19 said:
Yeah it's all going so well. I'm the blind and deaf one.Dazzler21 said:
He's using the formation and Tactics he used at Swindon. He also made the call on all of our completed summer signings, raiding his old club and picking the players that impressed him from that level.Stonewallpenalty19 said:Garner is not allowed to change tactics. He's been brought in to play sandgaard football. He's just a yes man.
He's come out in the media and criticised the lack of signings through the back end of the window.
If you think he's a yes man, you're blind and deaf.
Garner: Yes
Sandgaard: Can you do it with no Money?
Garner: Yes. I will do it with my Swindon mates.
September 3rd
Garner: I can't actually do it.1 -
Scoham said:
He’s already made tactical tweaks and used a different formation and I expect that to continue.Stonewallpenalty19 said:Garner is not allowed to change tactics. He's been brought in to play sandgaard football. He's just a yes man.
What you’re referring to is Garner’s playing style. He won’t change it but not because TS won’t let him or because he’s a yes man - TS has brought in a manager who plays the style he’s after.
Garner would never play a long ball game because it’s not how he sees the game.
You are mixng up hoof ball and a good long pass that every team plays including Man City or Liverpool if they see the space opens up.
You didn't see the goal Davison scored for Swindon last season with the assist from the keeper ?
We all know Ben's philosophy but he is surely smart enough to know that you have to mix and match depending on the state of play and how the opposition are set up and do we have 16 players fit on the day to carry out his game plan.
I understand you mean the old Cambridge and Wimbledon long ball but we will get less points than we did under JJ 3-5-2 system if we don't have the players or squad to carry out Garner's 4-3-3.
Chuks is more injury prone now than he was in his super sub season when he was available for 75% of the matches.0 -
We're actually 3rd in the league for accurate long balls per match. Behind only Fleetwood and Cambridge.soapboxsam said:Scoham said:
He’s already made tactical tweaks and used a different formation and I expect that to continue.Stonewallpenalty19 said:Garner is not allowed to change tactics. He's been brought in to play sandgaard football. He's just a yes man.
What you’re referring to is Garner’s playing style. He won’t change it but not because TS won’t let him or because he’s a yes man - TS has brought in a manager who plays the style he’s after.
Garner would never play a long ball game because it’s not how he sees the game.
You are mixng up hoof ball and a good long pass that every team plays including Man City or Liverpool if they see the space opens up.
You didn't see the goal Davison scored for Swindon last season with the assist from the keeper ?
We all know Ben's philosophy but he is surely smart enough to know that you have to mix and match depending on the state of play and how the opposition are set up and do we have 16 players fit on the day to carry out his game plan.
I understand you mean the old Cambridge and Wimbledon long ball but we get less points than we did under JJ respectful 3-5-2 system if we don't have the players or squad to carry out Garner's 4-3-3.
Chuks is more injury prone now than he was in his super sub season when he was available for 75% of the matches.3 -
I’m not mixing anything up, I haven’t said Garner’s teams won’t play long passes. We’ve done it this season and will continue to do so. It’s hoofball as you say that Garner won’t play.soapboxsam said:Scoham said:
He’s already made tactical tweaks and used a different formation and I expect that to continue.Stonewallpenalty19 said:Garner is not allowed to change tactics. He's been brought in to play sandgaard football. He's just a yes man.
What you’re referring to is Garner’s playing style. He won’t change it but not because TS won’t let him or because he’s a yes man - TS has brought in a manager who plays the style he’s after.
Garner would never play a long ball game because it’s not how he sees the game.
You are mixng up hoof ball and a good long pass that every team plays including Man City or Liverpool if they see the space opens up.
You didn't see the goal Davison scored for Swindon last season with the assist from the keeper ?
We all know Ben's philosophy but he is surely smart enough to know that you have to mix and match depending on the state of play and how the opposition are set up and do we have 16 players fit on the day to carry out his game plan.
I understand you mean the old Cambridge and Wimbledon long ball but we will get less points than we did under JJ 3-5-2 system if we don't have the players or squad to carry out Garner's 4-3-3.
Chuks is more injury prone now than he was in his super sub season when he was available for 75% of the matches.0 -
Scoham said:
I’m not mixing anything up, I haven’t said Garner’s teams won’t play long passes. We’ve done it this season and will continue to do so. It’s hoofball as you say that Garner won’t play.soapboxsam said:Scoham said:
He’s already made tactical tweaks and used a different formation and I expect that to continue.Stonewallpenalty19 said:Garner is not allowed to change tactics. He's been brought in to play sandgaard football. He's just a yes man.
What you’re referring to is Garner’s playing style. He won’t change it but not because TS won’t let him or because he’s a yes man - TS has brought in a manager who plays the style he’s after.
Garner would never play a long ball game because it’s not how he sees the game.
You are mixng up hoof ball and a good long pass that every team plays including Man City or Liverpool if they see the space opens up.
You didn't see the goal Davison scored for Swindon last season with the assist from the keeper ?
We all know Ben's philosophy but he is surely smart enough to know that you have to mix and match depending on the state of play and how the opposition are set up and do we have 16 players fit on the day to carry out his game plan.
I understand you mean the old Cambridge and Wimbledon long ball but we will get less points than we did under JJ 3-5-2 system if we don't have the players or squad to carry out Garner's 4-3-3.
Chuks is more injury prone now than he was in his super sub season when he was available for 75% of the matches.
We agree Scoham, I jumped in with my studs showing and I will take the yellow card. Some posters on here can't tell the difference between hoof ball and decent long passes. Tempo really is the key to speed up and when to slow down to keep possession for game management.
Scoham you are a researcher of football and I mustn't dive in or two yellows and I'm off.1
