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Match (+post p15) Thread: Colchester Utd v Charlton | Papa Johns | Tue 4th Oct 2022 7:45pm
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I think most people still want to give him time given the fact he’s obviously had zero playing budget to work with this summer and it’s relatively early days. He also comes across as intelligent in his interviews and let’s face it, he’s inherited a basket case of a club.Croydon said:
I don't think he should get the sack but it's weird how he seems to be completely immune to criticism from a big chunk of the fanbaseLeuth said:I see Twitter folks are suggesting Garner should be fired. This is our ressies in the Pizza Cup! Shows how mad we've been drivenI do however have my doubts given the size of the task and that there’s not much of a record to go on if you look at his time at Bristol Rovers.Little things like the insistence on a possession based game out from the back, his comments about watching every game last season then opting to play Stockley in a three in this possession based style - that’s poor imo.Let’s see, but I expect if results continue in the same vein it won’t be long before he’s in the firing line9 -
Very good, I see what you did there 👏😉cabbles said:Croydon said:
I don't think he should get the sack but it's weird how he seems to be completely immune to criticism from a big chunk of the fanbaseLeuth said:I see Twitter folks are suggesting Garner should be fired. This is our ressies in the Pizza Cup! Shows how mad we've been drivenLet’s see, but I expect if results continue in the same vein it won’t be long before he’s in the firing line3 -
I thought McGrandles looked really tidy, just keptCL_Phantom said:
Mcgrandles, was playing apparently.
posession well, moved the play on and generally did his job…..7 -
What choice has he got?cabbles said:
I think most people still want to give him time given the fact he’s obviously had zero playing budget to work with this summer and it’s relatively early days. He also comes across as intelligent in his interviews and let’s face it, he’s inherited a basket case of a club.Croydon said:
I don't think he should get the sack but it's weird how he seems to be completely immune to criticism from a big chunk of the fanbaseLeuth said:I see Twitter folks are suggesting Garner should be fired. This is our ressies in the Pizza Cup! Shows how mad we've been drivenI do however have my doubts given the size of the task and that there’s not much of a record to go on if you look at his time at Bristol Rovers.Little things like the insistence on a possession based game out from the back, his comments about watching every game last season then opting to play Stockley in a three in this possession based style - that’s poor imo.Let’s see, but I expect if results continue in the same vein it won’t be long before he’s in the firing line
If he starts with Leaburn and Stockley they have to play 90 minutes every week.
It's a symptom not the actual problem.1 -
Ive been a harsh critic of his but I agree with the above, thought he looked a lot fitter and kept things moving well.HandG said:
I thought McGrandles looked really tidy, just keptCL_Phantom said:
Mcgrandles, was playing apparently.
posession well, moved the play on and generally did his job…..0 -
Must have missed thatgolfaddick said:
More square pegs in round holes.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
Garners tactical changes weren't very clever tonight.Leuth said:I see Twitter folks are suggesting Garner should be fired. This is our ressies in the Pizza Cup! Shows how mad we've been driven
He takes Clare off at ht. Why not move Chin to his right side and bring on clayden? Instead he brings on lavelle and moves Ness to right back.
One thing is for sure. Ness is not a right back.
If he'd made the obvious change he could have then brought lavelle on later on and replaced a clearly tiring Thomas.
He's not covering himself in glory at the moment that's for sure.
I've been saying it for some time now - coaching badges aren't worth a light.3 -
Football is a game of opinions and I enjoy reading other people's views on the site.HandG said:
I thought McGrandles looked really tidy, just keptCL_Phantom said:
Mcgrandles, was playing apparently.
posession well, moved the play on and generally did his job…..
But sometimes there are views that I just can't agree with and this is one of those times. I thought McGrandles was absolutely hopeless last night - not really involved, didnt tackle and just looked completely out of his depth even playing against Colchester reserves!
How he is anywhere near the first team when Forster-Caskey is frozen out apart from cup games just proves what an absolute basket case of a club we are.6 -
No coincidence. Players know that the Owner is looking to save money & they are pissed off that they joined a club under false pretences. Realise they are playing in a mid table team (at best) and even the manager said that top 6 would be an over achievement. If the Owner wont support the manager & the manager doesn't think the team is good enough to get promoted then there isn't likely to be any motivation to do well is there.DOUCHER said:Form has dropped off a cliff since closing of the transfer window - is it a coincidence ?
It all starts at the top.15 -
Having just seen the highlights my 2 takeaways from it are -
1) Good save for the penalty & a bit unlucky that it then hits the post & comes out and their first goal hits the bar & post and goes in. When you are down on your luck those things happen.
2) They had a big powerful unit that ran with the, muscled the defender off the ball and then scored. Out of our forwards only Aneke can do that.7 -
Can we officially request the headings to be changed to Match Lowlights?clive said:6 -
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He wasn't at his his best fitness wise but when JFC has the ball I always feel he's not going to loose it and is always looking to create something positive. Got to be in contention for league games, even if he doesn't start.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
Football is a game of opinions and I enjoy reading other people's views on the site.HandG said:
I thought McGrandles looked really tidy, just keptCL_Phantom said:
Mcgrandles, was playing apparently.
posession well, moved the play on and generally did his job…..
But sometimes there are views that I just can't agree with and this is one of those times. I thought McGrandles was absolutely hopeless last night - not really involved, didnt tackle and just looked completely out of his depth even playing against Colchester reserves!
How he is anywhere near the first team when Forster-Caskey is frozen out apart from cup games just proves what an absolute basket case of a club we are.
Has Garner ever been asked directly why he's not playing? Have the panel on Charlton TV ever discussed this? If not, they should do.
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If Our illustrious leader wont find the coin to pay for a striker, then Im sure he wont find the coin to pay off Garner....wasnt he given 4 years or something ridiculous.cabbles said:
I think most people still want to give him time given the fact he’s obviously had zero playing budget to work with this summer and it’s relatively early days. He also comes across as intelligent in his interviews and let’s face it, he’s inherited a basket case of a club.Croydon said:
I don't think he should get the sack but it's weird how he seems to be completely immune to criticism from a big chunk of the fanbaseLeuth said:I see Twitter folks are suggesting Garner should be fired. This is our ressies in the Pizza Cup! Shows how mad we've been drivenI do however have my doubts given the size of the task and that there’s not much of a record to go on if you look at his time at Bristol Rovers.Little things like the insistence on a possession based game out from the back, his comments about watching every game last season then opting to play Stockley in a three in this possession based style - that’s poor imo.Let’s see, but I expect if results continue in the same vein it won’t be long before he’s in the firing line
Football is a simple game....score more than the opposition and win games.....this tippy tappy "Im playing stylish soccerball like the elite" shit is just boring...its reminding me of the mind numbing football I see in the A league, its painful. Mix it up for fucks sake.6 -
If we had won it would have been ‘the perfect tonic’ to give the squad a lift. The tonic is off at the minute and we need that to change bloody quickly. Squad underperforming again. Not saying that are promotion contending, but they are failing to deliver!0
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HandG said:
I thought McGrandles looked really tidy, just keptCL_Phantom said:
Mcgrandles, was playing apparently.
posession well, moved the play on and generally did his job…..
Fair.
Just didn't seem to notice him personally, but do think he's still some way off proper match fitness.0 -
They play like they have all been on the gin, most of the time.Pavoren007 said:If we had won it would have been ‘the perfect tonic’ to give the squad a lift. The tonic is off at the minute and we need that to change bloody quickly. Squad underperforming again. Not saying that are promotion contending, but they are failing to deliver!2 -
Yeah, and I guess he didn’t know or hoped Aneke may be available.Cafc43v3r said:
What choice has he got?cabbles said:
I think most people still want to give him time given the fact he’s obviously had zero playing budget to work with this summer and it’s relatively early days. He also comes across as intelligent in his interviews and let’s face it, he’s inherited a basket case of a club.Croydon said:
I don't think he should get the sack but it's weird how he seems to be completely immune to criticism from a big chunk of the fanbaseLeuth said:I see Twitter folks are suggesting Garner should be fired. This is our ressies in the Pizza Cup! Shows how mad we've been drivenI do however have my doubts given the size of the task and that there’s not much of a record to go on if you look at his time at Bristol Rovers.Little things like the insistence on a possession based game out from the back, his comments about watching every game last season then opting to play Stockley in a three in this possession based style - that’s poor imo.Let’s see, but I expect if results continue in the same vein it won’t be long before he’s in the firing line
If he starts with Leaburn and Stockley they have to play 90 minutes every week.
It's a symptom not the actual problem.I always thought he was adamant this would be his preferred style regardless though. A bit like Jackson and his fixation on 3-5-20 -
Apart from the last five minutes I thought Thomas looked an upgrade on our other CBs. He’s composed, is two footed, and can pick a pass. He can also play LCB, which is a big bonus.mendonca said:Make Akinde look like Drogba for that final goal.
Our senior CBs all look a bloody clone of one another this season.Pearce said he had an excellent game, and didn’t put a foot wrong, but that was before Terrell failed to stop Akinde getting the winner.So either he should have been subbed after 80 mins as he was knackered, or they’ve brought in a very fit player with a massive weakness (lack of pace).Very much hope it’s the former.
And I agree with the comments above, it’s all quite dull and pedestrian. I’d like to see us mixing it up more so we’re less predictable; for example by occasionally launching some long balls into the box and fighting for the second ball. Getting more players into the box is key.
Another bugbear is our inability to launch a long throw into the box, an excellent tactic in L1. All of those players should be able to do that, but none of the seem to be able to. It’s a pretty simple technique.Anyone else notice that CBT didn’t once try his trick of pushing the ball past a defender and skinning him for pace? He should have had a field day against L2 defenders. It’s been one of the only rays of light this season, so it’s worrying that even that is fading.4 -
Is that an accurate reflection of what motivates footballers? Are you really saying that they can’t be bothered to play if they don’t think that promotion is on the cards? That they have no pride in their own performances?golfaddick said:
No coincidence. Players know that the Owner is looking to save money & they are pissed off that they joined a club under false pretences. Realise they are playing in a mid table team (at best) and even the manager said that top 6 would be an over achievement. If the Owner wont support the manager & the manager doesn't think the team is good enough to get promoted then there isn't likely to be any motivation to do well is there.DOUCHER said:Form has dropped off a cliff since closing of the transfer window - is it a coincidence ?
It all starts at the top.
Surely they want to progress their careers, and they won’t do that by playing in an underperforming Charlton team that doesn’t put in a shift. Scouts will be watching our matches, and the players will presumably all want to catch their eye, as the way the club is at the moment some, at least, won’t want to hang around with us any longer than they have to.1 -
Mad to think people were happy to not get a big side.golfaddick said:
I thought Garner said he takes the cup games seriously & wants to win every one.Leuth said:I see Twitter folks are suggesting Garner should be fired. This is our ressies in the Pizza Cup! Shows how mad we've been driven
Seeing as we have Stevenage in the next round of the League Cup and they just won their 11th home game in a row I think that cup run will be ending soon too.0 -
Ah - the throw in. Not just long throws, but any throw. For as long as I can remember, no matter who has been managing the team, throw ins have been a mess. 75% of players just stand there, what movement there is, is predictable. Quick throws seem to be an anathema, there can be other players in great positions as the closest player to the ball picks it up. Then he just drops it for the designated taker to pick up, while the opposition mark everyone else. Frustrating.JamesSeed said:
Apart from the last five minutes I thought Thomas looked an upgrade on our other CBs. He’s composed, is two footed, and can pick a pass. He can also play LCB, which is a big bonus.mendonca said:Make Akinde look like Drogba for that final goal.
Our senior CBs all look a bloody clone of one another this season.Pearce said he had an excellent game, and didn’t put a foot wrong, but that was before Terrell failed to stop Akinde getting the winner.So either he should have been subbed after 80 mins as he was knackered, or they’ve brought in a very fit player with a massive weakness (lack of pace).Very much hope it’s the former.
And I agree with the comments above, it’s all quite dull and pedestrian. I’d like to see us mixing it up more so we’re less predictable; for example by occasionally launching some long balls into the box and fighting for the second ball. Getting more players into the box is key.
Another bugbear is our inability to launch a long throw into the box, an excellent tactic in L1. All of those players should be able to do that, but none of the seem to be able to. It’s a pretty simple technique.4 -
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Also there's more to being a CM than just knocking the ball about with 10 yard passes. Tackling, forward passing, pressing etcCL_Phantom said:
Fair.HandG said:
I thought McGrandles looked really tidy, just keptCL_Phantom said:
Mcgrandles, was playing apparently.
posession well, moved the play on and generally did his job…..
Just didn't seem to notice him personally, but do think he's still some way off proper match fitness.
Our problem is that none of our midfield can do this consistently.1 -
Good points, but that would require a level of drive and determination that seems woefully lacking in the squad at the momentJamesSeed said:
Is that an accurate reflection of what motivates footballers? Are you really saying that they can’t be bothered to play if they don’t think that promotion is on the cards? That they have no pride in their own performances?golfaddick said:
No coincidence. Players know that the Owner is looking to save money & they are pissed off that they joined a club under false pretences. Realise they are playing in a mid table team (at best) and even the manager said that top 6 would be an over achievement. If the Owner wont support the manager & the manager doesn't think the team is good enough to get promoted then there isn't likely to be any motivation to do well is there.DOUCHER said:Form has dropped off a cliff since closing of the transfer window - is it a coincidence ?
It all starts at the top.
Surely they want to progress their careers, and they won’t do that by playing in an underperforming Charlton team that doesn’t put in a shift. Scouts will be watching our matches, and the players will presumably all want to catch their eye, as the way the club is at the moment some, at least, won’t want to hang around with us any longer than they have to.0 -
The term shit is thrown about willy nllly but I feel sums up quite succinctly the state of our club, both on and off the pitch.
Shit
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Isn't this the group stage though, where the first 2 teams go through once they have all played? I know we lost, but we are still second. Next up is Brighton, let's hope the next run out is more positive than this one.
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I see you've forgotten the last 12 months of his time hereShowmetheway2gohome said:McCrappy had his best game so far but the way he pulled out of the tackle on edge of our box just before half time.dear oh dear Bowyer would have subbed him there and then never to be seen again.
Oh to have Bowyer back got best out of players managed to bring in better loan players and played a system to suit the players.I’m sick of 433 hope we don’t play it gain we ain’t got the players to play it so don’t play it
i don’t care if we’re more open with 442 we need 2 players up front.We were more open second half against Oxford but we won the second half 1-0 when first half we lost. 1-0 but had more control apparently because we had more in midfield.We can’t play 3 at back we’ve seen that fail twice and the 433 we look more in control yes but we always have a mistake and concede then don’t look like scoring more than 1.Mortimer said it at half time fed up with all this possession football not going anywhere now days.5 -
Just watched the highlights and the only thing of note was that Morgan's goal celebration was so muted and miserable he looks like he's scored an own goal.3
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CL_Phantom said:HandG said:
I thought McGrandles looked really tidy, just keptCL_Phantom said:
Mcgrandles, was playing apparently.
posession well, moved the play on and generally did his job…..
Fair.
Just didn't seem to notice him personally, but do think he's still some way off proper match fitness. being anything like good enough
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It's the problem with our whole team. None, absolutely none, of them are good or even half decent at everything you need a player in that position to be good at.Dazzler21 said:
Also there's more to being a CM than just knocking the ball about with 10 yard passes. Tackling, forward passing, pressing etcCL_Phantom said:
Fair.HandG said:
I thought McGrandles looked really tidy, just keptCL_Phantom said:
Mcgrandles, was playing apparently.
posession well, moved the play on and generally did his job…..
Just didn't seem to notice him personally, but do think he's still some way off proper match fitness.
Our problem is that none of our midfield can do this consistently.
I accept that is league 1 players that is often the case, else they wouldn't be league 1 players but that's why it's so important to get the right players in. Not necessarily better, but better fits.
This is a collection of half decent, at worst, players that you can't perm a half decent team from. No matter which way you shake it up.
Adkins said that last summer, it's still true.2 -
Hopefully Garner learned what little that game offered up
Clare is a better right of 3 central defenders than Lavelle or Inniss, if he's considering that shape, but a less good right back than Egbo or Sessegnon.
Morgan is a less bad option on the bench than Payne or McGrandles
Neither Payne or McGrandles are anywhere near the first team. Payne was awful Saturday & Tuesday. McGrandles has previously been awful and passed up the opportunity to stake a claim last night.
JFC is streets ahead of either, his continued omission from matchday squads is perverse. If that's for non footballing reasons as rumoured, then all concerned are woeful charlatans discrediting the club and the game.
Playing with no experienced strikers at all in the squad is a blatant public admission that you're totally disinterested in the result.6 -
I was actually quite enjoying watching us play, particularly in the first half and was impressed with our movement and accurate passing but the same old same old problem upon reaching the final third, the final ball let us down time after time.
For 85 minutes I never expected them to equalise yet alone get a winner….it was daylight robbery and yet somehow unerringly inevitable. 😒5
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