I see Twitter folks are suggesting Garner should be fired. This is our ressies in the Pizza Cup! Shows how mad we've been driven
I don't think he should get the sack but it's weird how he seems to be completely immune to criticism from a big chunk of the fanbase
I think most people still want to give him time given the fact he’s obviously had zero playing budget to work with this summer and it’s relatively early days. He also comes across as intelligent in his interviews and let’s face it, he’s inherited a basket case of a club.
I do however have my doubts given the size of the task and that there’s not much of a record to go on if you look at his time at Bristol Rovers.
Little things like the insistence on a possession based game out from the back, his comments about watching every game last season then opting to play Stockley in a three in this possession based style - that’s poor imo.
Let’s see, but I expect if results continue in the same vein it won’t be long before he’s in the firing line
I see Twitter folks are suggesting Garner should be fired. This is our ressies in the Pizza Cup! Shows how mad we've been driven
I don't think he should get the sack but it's weird how he seems to be completely immune to criticism from a big chunk of the fanbase
I think most people still want to give him time given the fact he’s obviously had zero playing budget to work with this summer and it’s relatively early days. He also comes across as intelligent in his interviews and let’s face it, he’s inherited a basket case of a club.
I do however have my doubts given the size of the task and that there’s not much of a record to go on if you look at his time at Bristol Rovers.
Little things like the insistence on a possession based game out from the back, his comments about watching every game last season then opting to play Stockley in a three in this possession based style - that’s poor imo.
Let’s see, but I expect if results continue in the same vein it won’t be long before he’s in the firing line
What choice has he got?
If he starts with Leaburn and Stockley they have to play 90 minutes every week.
I thought McGrandles looked really tidy, just kept posession well, moved the play on and generally did his job…..
Football is a game of opinions and I enjoy reading other people's views on the site.
But sometimes there are views that I just can't agree with and this is one of those times. I thought McGrandles was absolutely hopeless last night - not really involved, didnt tackle and just looked completely out of his depth even playing against Colchester reserves!
How he is anywhere near the first team when Forster-Caskey is frozen out apart from cup games just proves what an absolute basket case of a club we are.
Form has dropped off a cliff since closing of the transfer window - is it a coincidence ?
No coincidence. Players know that the Owner is looking to save money & they are pissed off that they joined a club under false pretences. Realise they are playing in a mid table team (at best) and even the manager said that top 6 would be an over achievement. If the Owner wont support the manager & the manager doesn't think the team is good enough to get promoted then there isn't likely to be any motivation to do well is there.
Having just seen the highlights my 2 takeaways from it are -
1) Good save for the penalty & a bit unlucky that it then hits the post & comes out and their first goal hits the bar & post and goes in. When you are down on your luck those things happen.
2) They had a big powerful unit that ran with the, muscled the defender off the ball and then scored. Out of our forwards only Aneke can do that.
I thought McGrandles looked really tidy, just kept posession well, moved the play on and generally did his job…..
Football is a game of opinions and I enjoy reading other people's views on the site.
But sometimes there are views that I just can't agree with and this is one of those times. I thought McGrandles was absolutely hopeless last night - not really involved, didnt tackle and just looked completely out of his depth even playing against Colchester reserves!
How he is anywhere near the first team when Forster-Caskey is frozen out apart from cup games just proves what an absolute basket case of a club we are.
He wasn't at his his best fitness wise but when JFC has the ball I always feel he's not going to loose it and is always looking to create something positive. Got to be in contention for league games, even if he doesn't start.
Has Garner ever been asked directly why he's not playing? Have the panel on Charlton TV ever discussed this? If not, they should do.
I see Twitter folks are suggesting Garner should be fired. This is our ressies in the Pizza Cup! Shows how mad we've been driven
I don't think he should get the sack but it's weird how he seems to be completely immune to criticism from a big chunk of the fanbase
I think most people still want to give him time given the fact he’s obviously had zero playing budget to work with this summer and it’s relatively early days. He also comes across as intelligent in his interviews and let’s face it, he’s inherited a basket case of a club.
I do however have my doubts given the size of the task and that there’s not much of a record to go on if you look at his time at Bristol Rovers.
Little things like the insistence on a possession based game out from the back, his comments about watching every game last season then opting to play Stockley in a three in this possession based style - that’s poor imo.
Let’s see, but I expect if results continue in the same vein it won’t be long before he’s in the firing line
If Our illustrious leader wont find the coin to pay for a striker, then Im sure he wont find the coin to pay off Garner....wasnt he given 4 years or something ridiculous.
Football is a simple game....score more than the opposition and win games.....this tippy tappy "Im playing stylish soccerball like the elite" shit is just boring...its reminding me of the mind numbing football I see in the A league, its painful. Mix it up for fucks sake.
If we had won it would have been ‘the perfect tonic’ to give the squad a lift. The tonic is off at the minute and we need that to change bloody quickly. Squad underperforming again. Not saying that are promotion contending, but they are failing to deliver!
If we had won it would have been ‘the perfect tonic’ to give the squad a lift. The tonic is off at the minute and we need that to change bloody quickly. Squad underperforming again. Not saying that are promotion contending, but they are failing to deliver!
They play like they have all been on the gin, most of the time.
I see Twitter folks are suggesting Garner should be fired. This is our ressies in the Pizza Cup! Shows how mad we've been driven
I don't think he should get the sack but it's weird how he seems to be completely immune to criticism from a big chunk of the fanbase
I think most people still want to give him time given the fact he’s obviously had zero playing budget to work with this summer and it’s relatively early days. He also comes across as intelligent in his interviews and let’s face it, he’s inherited a basket case of a club.
I do however have my doubts given the size of the task and that there’s not much of a record to go on if you look at his time at Bristol Rovers.
Little things like the insistence on a possession based game out from the back, his comments about watching every game last season then opting to play Stockley in a three in this possession based style - that’s poor imo.
Let’s see, but I expect if results continue in the same vein it won’t be long before he’s in the firing line
What choice has he got?
If he starts with Leaburn and Stockley they have to play 90 minutes every week.
It's a symptom not the actual problem.
Yeah, and I guess he didn’t know or hoped Aneke may be available.
I always thought he was adamant this would be his preferred style regardless though. A bit like Jackson and his fixation on 3-5-2
Our senior CBs all look a bloody clone of one another this season.
Apart from the last five minutes I thought Thomas looked an upgrade on our other CBs. He’s composed, is two footed, and can pick a pass. He can also play LCB, which is a big bonus.
Pearce said he had an excellent game, and didn’t put a foot wrong, but that was before Terrell failed to stop Akinde getting the winner.
So either he should have been subbed after 80 mins as he was knackered, or they’ve brought in a very fit player with a massive weakness (lack of pace).
Very much hope it’s the former.
And I agree with the comments above, it’s all quite dull and pedestrian. I’d like to see us mixing it up more so we’re less predictable; for example by occasionally launching some long balls into the box and fighting for the second ball. Getting more players into the box is key. Another bugbear is our inability to launch a long throw into the box, an excellent tactic in L1. All of those players should be able to do that, but none of the seem to be able to. It’s a pretty simple technique.
Anyone else notice that CBT didn’t once try his trick of pushing the ball past a defender and skinning him for pace? He should have had a field day against L2 defenders. It’s been one of the only rays of light this season, so it’s worrying that even that is fading.
Form has dropped off a cliff since closing of the transfer window - is it a coincidence ?
No coincidence. Players know that the Owner is looking to save money & they are pissed off that they joined a club under false pretences. Realise they are playing in a mid table team (at best) and even the manager said that top 6 would be an over achievement. If the Owner wont support the manager & the manager doesn't think the team is good enough to get promoted then there isn't likely to be any motivation to do well is there.
It all starts at the top.
Is that an accurate reflection of what motivates footballers? Are you really saying that they can’t be bothered to play if they don’t think that promotion is on the cards? That they have no pride in their own performances? Surely they want to progress their careers, and they won’t do that by playing in an underperforming Charlton team that doesn’t put in a shift. Scouts will be watching our matches, and the players will presumably all want to catch their eye, as the way the club is at the moment some, at least, won’t want to hang around with us any longer than they have to.
I see Twitter folks are suggesting Garner should be fired. This is our ressies in the Pizza Cup! Shows how mad we've been driven
I thought Garner said he takes the cup games seriously & wants to win every one.
Seeing as we have Stevenage in the next round of the League Cup and they just won their 11th home game in a row I think that cup run will be ending soon too.
Mad to think people were happy to not get a big side.
Our senior CBs all look a bloody clone of one another this season.
Apart from the last five minutes I thought Thomas looked an upgrade on our other CBs. He’s composed, is two footed, and can pick a pass. He can also play LCB, which is a big bonus.
Pearce said he had an excellent game, and didn’t put a foot wrong, but that was before Terrell failed to stop Akinde getting the winner.
So either he should have been subbed after 80 mins as he was knackered, or they’ve brought in a very fit player with a massive weakness (lack of pace).
Very much hope it’s the former.
And I agree with the comments above, it’s all quite dull and pedestrian. I’d like to see us mixing it up more so we’re less predictable; for example by occasionally launching some long balls into the box and fighting for the second ball. Getting more players into the box is key. Another bugbear is our inability to launch a long throw into the box, an excellent tactic in L1. All of those players should be able to do that, but none of the seem to be able to. It’s a pretty simple technique.
Ah - the throw in. Not just long throws, but any throw. For as long as I can remember, no matter who has been managing the team, throw ins have been a mess. 75% of players just stand there, what movement there is, is predictable. Quick throws seem to be an anathema, there can be other players in great positions as the closest player to the ball picks it up. Then he just drops it for the designated taker to pick up, while the opposition mark everyone else. Frustrating.
Form has dropped off a cliff since closing of the transfer window - is it a coincidence ?
No coincidence. Players know that the Owner is looking to save money & they are pissed off that they joined a club under false pretences. Realise they are playing in a mid table team (at best) and even the manager said that top 6 would be an over achievement. If the Owner wont support the manager & the manager doesn't think the team is good enough to get promoted then there isn't likely to be any motivation to do well is there.
It all starts at the top.
Is that an accurate reflection of what motivates footballers? Are you really saying that they can’t be bothered to play if they don’t think that promotion is on the cards? That they have no pride in their own performances? Surely they want to progress their careers, and they won’t do that by playing in an underperforming Charlton team that doesn’t put in a shift. Scouts will be watching our matches, and the players will presumably all want to catch their eye, as the way the club is at the moment some, at least, won’t want to hang around with us any longer than they have to.
Good points, but that would require a level of drive and determination that seems woefully lacking in the squad at the moment
McCrappy had his best game so far but the way he pulled out of the tackle on edge of our box just before half time.dear oh dear Bowyer would have subbed him there and then never to be seen again. Oh to have Bowyer back got best out of players managed to bring in better loan players and played a system to suit the players.
I’m sick of 433 hope we don’t play it gain we ain’t got the players to play it so don’t play it i don’t care if we’re more open with 442 we need 2 players up front.
We were more open second half against Oxford but we won the second half 1-0 when first half we lost. 1-0 but had more control apparently because we had more in midfield.
We can’t play 3 at back we’ve seen that fail twice and the 433 we look more in control yes but we always have a mistake and concede then don’t look like scoring more than 1.
Mortimer said it at half time fed up with all this possession football not going anywhere now days.
Isn't this the group stage though, where the first 2 teams go through once they have all played? I know we lost, but we are still second. Next up is Brighton, let's hope the next run out is more positive than this one.
McCrappy had his best game so far but the way he pulled out of the tackle on edge of our box just before half time.dear oh dear Bowyer would have subbed him there and then never to be seen again. Oh to have Bowyer back got best out of players managed to bring in better loan players and played a system to suit the players.
I’m sick of 433 hope we don’t play it gain we ain’t got the players to play it so don’t play it i don’t care if we’re more open with 442 we need 2 players up front.
We were more open second half against Oxford but we won the second half 1-0 when first half we lost. 1-0 but had more control apparently because we had more in midfield.
We can’t play 3 at back we’ve seen that fail twice and the 433 we look more in control yes but we always have a mistake and concede then don’t look like scoring more than 1.
Mortimer said it at half time fed up with all this possession football not going anywhere now days.
I see you've forgotten the last 12 months of his time here
Just watched the highlights and the only thing of note was that Morgan's goal celebration was so muted and miserable he looks like he's scored an own goal.
I thought McGrandles looked really tidy, just kept posession well, moved the play on and generally did his job…..
Fair.
Just didn't seem to notice him personally, but do think he's still some way off proper match fitness.
Also there's more to being a CM than just knocking the ball about with 10 yard passes. Tackling, forward passing, pressing etc
Our problem is that none of our midfield can do this consistently.
It's the problem with our whole team. None, absolutely none, of them are good or even half decent at everything you need a player in that position to be good at.
I accept that is league 1 players that is often the case, else they wouldn't be league 1 players but that's why it's so important to get the right players in. Not necessarily better, but better fits.
This is a collection of half decent, at worst, players that you can't perm a half decent team from. No matter which way you shake it up.
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Terrible keeping as well.
posession well, moved the play on and generally did his job…..
If he starts with Leaburn and Stockley they have to play 90 minutes every week.
It's a symptom not the actual problem.
But sometimes there are views that I just can't agree with and this is one of those times. I thought McGrandles was absolutely hopeless last night - not really involved, didnt tackle and just looked completely out of his depth even playing against Colchester reserves!
How he is anywhere near the first team when Forster-Caskey is frozen out apart from cup games just proves what an absolute basket case of a club we are.
It all starts at the top.
1) Good save for the penalty & a bit unlucky that it then hits the post & comes out and their first goal hits the bar & post and goes in. When you are down on your luck those things happen.
2) They had a big powerful unit that ran with the, muscled the defender off the ball and then scored. Out of our forwards only Aneke can do that.
Has Garner ever been asked directly why he's not playing? Have the panel on Charlton TV ever discussed this? If not, they should do.
Football is a simple game....score more than the opposition and win games.....this tippy tappy "Im playing stylish soccerball like the elite" shit is just boring...its reminding me of the mind numbing football I see in the A league, its painful. Mix it up for fucks sake.
Fair.
Just didn't seem to notice him personally, but do think he's still some way off proper match fitness.
And I agree with the comments above, it’s all quite dull and pedestrian. I’d like to see us mixing it up more so we’re less predictable; for example by occasionally launching some long balls into the box and fighting for the second ball. Getting more players into the box is key.
Another bugbear is our inability to launch a long throw into the box, an excellent tactic in L1. All of those players should be able to do that, but none of the seem to be able to. It’s a pretty simple technique.
Surely they want to progress their careers, and they won’t do that by playing in an underperforming Charlton team that doesn’t put in a shift. Scouts will be watching our matches, and the players will presumably all want to catch their eye, as the way the club is at the moment some, at least, won’t want to hang around with us any longer than they have to.
Our problem is that none of our midfield can do this consistently.
Oh to have Bowyer back got best out of players managed to bring in better loan players and played a system to suit the players.
i don’t care if we’re more open with 442 we need 2 players up front.
Shit
I accept that is league 1 players that is often the case, else they wouldn't be league 1 players but that's why it's so important to get the right players in. Not necessarily better, but better fits.
This is a collection of half decent, at worst, players that you can't perm a half decent team from. No matter which way you shake it up.
Adkins said that last summer, it's still true.