After a few days Sandgaard said "The building blocks are already being put in place to get us back to the Premier League"
In this short video he mentions Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham, but two years later we're still bed fellows with Cheltenham, Forest Green and Accrington bloody Stanley.
wouldn't call egbo or wollacot fourth division players. there are diamonds in the rough
I think all the 'we only brought in League 2 players' thing is a bit of an easy cop-out anyway to be honest. Wollacott and Egbo are good as you say, but O'Connell is a decent player and has spent more of his career in L1 than L2. Payne has clearly lost his way a bit (might help if he ever got a run in the team) but has spent the vast majority of his career in L1and was a clear standout for Swindon in L2 the one season he was there. We got two Premier League loans in. I'm not really willing to be drawn on McGrandles, he's had a horrible season with injuries and we've just not seen him enough. On the face of it though, signing a player who had just had two very good seasons for a L1 team is more or less what we should be doing
The bigger problem is we lost loads of players, replaced some of them but did nothing about the unsuited players we already had. Lavelle has been truly atrocious, Morgan has reverted to being Morgan, Stockley has scored one goal in open play. Kirk continues to do one good thing every 6 games, DJ has been injured but I somehow don't think he'd have saved us if he wasn't. We made signings to plug gaps but we're still requiring one of Inniss or Lavelle to play as a passing CB every week because we weren't willing to bring in enough signings to overhaul the whole team. We don't have a striker suited to playing the way we play and the only options are a disaster or a player whose fitness record is impossibly bad.
I'd actually rather have an entire squad of players signed from L2 that are suited to the way the team is trying to play than the mish-mash of nothing we currently have. We got Garner in telling him to get the team to play the most energy-sapping, technical way possible and gave him not even half a toolbox to do it with. I'd rather have Wollacott than Mac, Egbo than Gunter and Matthews, O'Connell than Famewo and JRS than Leko but it's meaningless when the overall set-up is broken. I don't hate the signings, I hate that there were nowhere near enough of them to compete
Good post, I agree that the players brought in are both hungry and have a future and we haven't seen enough of McGrandles to form an opinion. This crisis is Sandgaards alone, quite simply if he would have replaced the two strikers that he let go, this thread wouldn't exist and whatever hope people had of that failing being addressed in the transfer window, the sacking of Garner is a clear demonstration that it won't be.
Hang on a minute, there was an auction for golf with Garner at the Gala Dinner last Thursday, if he goes what happens with that eh?
That was me who bid and won and I have told them I am not interested, they offered me the chance to play with two CAFC legends or new management team, and I have told them I have no interest whilst TS is at the helm of the club.
wouldn't call egbo or wollacot fourth division players. there are diamonds in the rough
I think all the 'we only brought in League 2 players' thing is a bit of an easy cop-out anyway to be honest. Wollacott and Egbo are good as you say, but O'Connell is a decent player and has spent more of his career in L1 than L2. Payne has clearly lost his way a bit (might help if he ever got a run in the team) but has spent the vast majority of his career in L1and was a clear standout for Swindon in L2 the one season he was there. We got two Premier League loans in. I'm not really willing to be drawn on McGrandles, he's had a horrible season with injuries and we've just not seen him enough. On the face of it though, signing a player who had just had two very good seasons for a L1 team is more or less what we should be doing
The bigger problem is we lost loads of players, replaced some of them but did nothing about the unsuited players we already had. Lavelle has been truly atrocious, Morgan has reverted to being Morgan, Stockley has scored one goal in open play. Kirk continues to do one good thing every 6 games, DJ has been injured but I somehow don't think he'd have saved us if he wasn't. We made signings to plug gaps but we're still requiring one of Inniss or Lavelle to play as a passing CB every week because we weren't willing to bring in enough signings to overhaul the whole team. We don't have a striker suited to playing the way we play and the only options are a disaster or a player whose fitness record is impossibly bad.
I'd actually rather have an entire squad of players signed from L2 that are suited to the way the team is trying to play than the mish-mash of nothing we currently have. We got Garner in telling him to get the team to play the most energy-sapping, technical way possible and gave him not even half a toolbox to do it with. I'd rather have Wollacott than Mac, Egbo than Gunter and Matthews, O'Connell than Famewo and JRS than Leko but it's meaningless when the overall set-up is broken. I don't hate the signings, I hate that there were nowhere near enough of them to compete
I can't see us getting a decent manager under the Sandgaards, they've reached the point, as Dutchelet did, in sacking a manager every six months and still don't understand that the problem is not the manager but the set up that manager inherits. Its amazing that both TS and RD take a hands on approach to team affairs with neither having any experience in football whatsoever, both owners added to their debt with contracts cancelled or paid up but continue with their almost identical policy of interference and belligerence when advice could be sought. Be it Katrien or Martin the outcome is the same, huge losses to add to the debt of running a football club in the English third tier, its almost certain that Sandgaard will start crying foul in the coming months, demanding full reimbursement for his losses but just like RD, there is one difference though, Sandgaard can't afford to ride the losses and he has no bargaining ground.
I said this at the time but managing a football club like ours on a budget means you promote from within with a contract like JJs so if it doesn't work you can try another. Generally, you get a good one at some point and off you go. With JJ, I don't believe he was given a chance but the principle stands. The manager has to be pragmatic and adopt a style that suits the players we have and when a player appears within our budget who could improve us, he tries to get him. I wouldn't have a problem with that approach rather than one of wasting money then pulling the rug away!
Sandgaard wasted his money on managers, players like Schwartz etc... which were all about his vanity. Fair enough if he was willing to continue with that approach. It is expensive but can come good. But then suddenly in the summer he cut the budget to an extreme extent. With the transfer window system, a manager has to have a squad that has half a chance of getting him at least to the next one. We went into it with one fit established striker who is not the best playing on his own! This is criminal in terms of its stupidity. If we didn't learn the consequences of having no established strikers last season for a considerable spell you can bet we will never learn them.
Sandgaard is a pathetic narcissist and that really started to dawn in me when he strummed his guitar on the pitch at the start of last season, with a squad that was basically missing the tools required to have a decent season. Fair enough if he had a promotion squad, play your guitar to your hearts content, but we were far off that, and I recall saying that at the time. If I know it, with certainty, how clueless must that prick be!
Hang on a minute, there was an auction for golf with Garner at the Gala Dinner last Thursday, if he goes what happens with that eh?
That was me who bid and won and I have told them I am not interested, they offered me the chance to play with two CAFC legends or new management team, and I have told them I have no interest whilst TS is at the helm of the club.
Hang on a minute, there was an auction for golf with Garner at the Gala Dinner last Thursday, if he goes what happens with that eh?
That was me who bid and won and I have told them I am not interested, they offered me the chance to play with two CAFC legends or new management team, and I have told them I have no interest whilst TS is at the helm of the club.
They offered you guitar lessons with TS didn't they Steve?
Hadn't paid they emailed me yesterday asking for me to make payment, the cyncical side of me sys they emailed me wanting to pay the money before it was announced, anyway glad I hadn't departed with the money.
Hadn't paid they emailed me yesterday asking for me to make payment, the cyncical side of me sys they emailed me wanting to pay the money before it was announced, anyway glad I hadn't departed with the money.
Two very inexperienced caretakers - probably just how Sandgaards like it.
Although I agree with you, Pearce has probably forgotten more about football than everyone on here have ever learnt. He was a leader on the pitch, even last season as a sub, he would stand in the corner instructing players.
im not happy with this situation but im glad that Pearce is involved. If Hayes is the tactical one, Pearce will hopefully be the motivator, the arm around the shoulder when needed and also the kick up the arse when needed.
I am actually more pissed off about this sacking than the Jackson one. It was clear from the start Jackson wasn't what TS wanted, and to be honest, the football was awful.
All though results have not been the best, I think we was heading in the right direction in terms of football and style, but Garner was let down badly in terms of recruitment. Once he started going public about the lack of support it was never going to end well. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a break in the contract if we dropped below a certain position in the table, hence the sacking now.
At the moment, I can't see any light at the end of the tunnel, it feels like TS is going out of his way to create a war with the fans. Who will come to Charlton in it's current state? False promises, a squad low on confidence, and owner who is trigger happy!
Unless a takeover happens quick, we are in deep shit!
I must've been lucky the home games I went to under JJ because we won 7 of the 9 games including 7 clean sheets in 21/22 league and prior to that the two home games under Nigel Adkins where we were bereft and lost. Third tier football we are in not Champions fucking league despite the crazy talk of Thomas Sandgaard with his 5 year plan that had zero chance of coming to fruition.
Johnnie took the "worse squad in living memory" from 22nd to 11th before we hit the ceiling as we didn't have the quality or fitness to see out a season or a balanced squad to just play one system. 13th summed up where we were under TS and Ipswich away on the last day was the result of issues off the field with the insecurities of pro football where so many players were trying to sort out contracts plus JJ probably knew he was going as 8th place hadn't been reached.
Ben Garner who as the insightful have worked out did everything over the last few weeks to get the sack and a payout on his 3 year contract. Failed to win football matches, played JFC and put out a team at home without one striker in the starting 11! The gamble of playing two youngsters at the back ironically was ok where Inniss was the culprit for cockups.
Play Casey and Kanu* who are goal scoring strikers not two wingers in DJ and Rak Sakyi who looked like fish out of water in the central positions.
Ben Garner will have to go back to League 2 or national League to play possession football but he made a mistake leaving Swindon for the poison chalice of Charlton where the club and fans are so damaged after the last 15 years or so. The odd decent season and promotion but only ever temporary in the never ending shambles of Cafc.
*Garner played 17 year old Mitchell at the back so why not 18 year old striker Daniel Kanu who is a bone fide striker ?
Mitchell hasn't looked out of place in the little minutes he has played, whereas Kanu has looked miles off it.. Think maybe a bit too much hype around him!
We know that kids mature at different ages, physically, mentally, emotionally.
We saw with Shelvey and Gomez, Miles Leaburn and Mitchell too, that some lads are physically ahead of their peergroup. They are ready to compete in senior mens' football.
I guess Kanu isn't quite there yet ...... but he's highly rated by the coaching staff, so I'll trust their opinion. Ifhe's got the ability and the right attitude, he's likely to grab his chance when he's ready.
But no point playing and risk destroying him in the meantime.
Time to invest Mr TS or Fuck Off as you are destroying my lovely football Club 👎👎👎
Sorry 1968 time to invest by TS never going to happen. Destroying club happening ,how far or for how long is my question.
Just pray that Varney knows the answers of how to get this club back on track,with or without the help of Roland.
Sandgaard is a dead man walking we all know that. But don’t take our club with you.
Dear Lewis Coaches You talk very good sense and I too hope you Are right. TS is just another wannabe egotistical wanker With no proper or serious investment funds in Place or strategy, his arrogant prick of a son ever less.👎👎👎👎👎
When I've heard Pearce doing co commentary on valley TV I've thought he talks a lot of sense and analyses the game in a clear sighted and informative way. Promising.
Hang on a minute, there was an auction for golf with Garner at the Gala Dinner last Thursday, if he goes what happens with that eh?
That was me who bid and won and I have told them I am not interested, they offered me the chance to play with two CAFC legends or new management team, and I have told them I have no interest whilst TS is at the helm of the club.
They offered you guitar lessons with TS didn't they Steve?
I am actually more pissed off about this sacking than the Jackson one. It was clear from the start Jackson wasn't what TS wanted, and to be honest, the football was awful.
All though results have not been the best, I think we was heading in the right direction in terms of football and style, but Garner was let down badly in terms of recruitment. Once he started going public about the lack of support it was never going to end well. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a break in the contract if we dropped below a certain position in the table, hence the sacking now.
At the moment, I can't see any light at the end of the tunnel, it feels like TS is going out of his way to create a war with the fans. Who will come to Charlton in it's current state? False promises, a squad low on confidence, and owner who is trigger happy!
Unless a takeover happens quick, we are in deep shit!
I must've been lucky the home games I went to under JJ because we won 7 of the 9 games including 7 clean sheets in 21/22 league and prior to that the two home games under Nigel Adkins where we were bereft and lost. Third tier football we are in not Champions fucking league despite the crazy talk of Thomas Sandgaard with his 5 year plan that had zero chance of coming to fruition.
Johnnie took the "worse squad in living memory" from 22nd to 11th before we hit the ceiling as we didn't have the quality or fitness to see out a season or a balanced squad to just play one system. 13th summed up where we were under TS and Ipswich away on the last day was the result of issues off the field with the insecurities of pro football where so many players were trying to sort out contracts plus JJ probably knew he was going as 8th place hadn't been reached.
Ben Garner who as the insightful have worked out did everything over the last few weeks to get the sack and a payout on his 3 year contract. Failed to win football matches, played JFC and put out a team at home without one striker in the starting 11! The gamble of playing two youngsters at the back ironically was ok where Inniss was the culprit for cockups.
Play Casey and Kanu* who are goal scoring strikers not two wingers in DJ and Rak Sakyi who looked like fish out of water in the central positions.
Ben Garner will have to go back to League 2 or national League to play possession football but he made a mistake leaving Swindon for the poison chalice of Charlton where the club and fans are so damaged after the last 15 years or so. The odd decent season and promotion but only ever temporary in the never ending shambles of Cafc.
*Garner played 17 year old Mitchell at the back so why not 18 year old striker Daniel Kanu who is a bone fide striker ?
Mitchell hasn't looked out of place in the little minutes he has played, whereas Kanu has looked miles off it.. Think maybe a bit too much hype around him!
We know that kids mature at different ages, physically, mentally, emotionally.
We saw with Shelvey and Gomez, Miles Leaburn and Mitchell too, that some lads are physically ahead of their peergroup. They are ready to compete in senior mens' football.
I guess Kanu isn't quite there yet ...... but he's highly rated by the coaching staff, so I'll trust their opinion. Ifhe's got the ability and the right attitude, he's likely to grab his chance when he's ready.
But no point playing and risk destroying him in the meantime.
100% Rooney was more of a man at 15 than I will ever be at 29. At least the hair on my head isn't from my arse I suppose!
After a few days Sandgaard said "The building blocks are already being put in place to get us back to the Premier League"
In this short video he mentions Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham, but two years later we're still bed fellows with Cheltenham, Forest Green and Accrington bloody Stanley.
At this rate in a year's time we might be longing for the days when we could mix it with more successful clubs like Cheltenham, Forest Green and Accrington bloody Stanley
Hadn't paid they emailed me yesterday asking for me to make payment, the cyncical side of me sys they emailed me wanting to pay the money before it was announced, anyway glad I hadn't departed with the money.
Really wouldn't surprise me mate.
Well they invoiced that non league club for £200 (for gate receipts I think) so nothing would surprise me.
wouldn't call egbo or wollacot fourth division players. there are diamonds in the rough
I think all the 'we only brought in League 2 players' thing is a bit of an easy cop-out anyway to be honest. Wollacott and Egbo are good as you say, but O'Connell is a decent player and has spent more of his career in L1 than L2. Payne has clearly lost his way a bit (might help if he ever got a run in the team) but has spent the vast majority of his career in L1and was a clear standout for Swindon in L2 the one season he was there. We got two Premier League loans in. I'm not really willing to be drawn on McGrandles, he's had a horrible season with injuries and we've just not seen him enough. On the face of it though, signing a player who had just had two very good seasons for a L1 team is more or less what we should be doing
The bigger problem is we lost loads of players, replaced some of them but did nothing about the unsuited players we already had. Lavelle has been truly atrocious, Morgan has reverted to being Morgan, Stockley has scored one goal in open play. Kirk continues to do one good thing every 6 games, DJ has been injured but I somehow don't think he'd have saved us if he wasn't. We made signings to plug gaps but we're still requiring one of Inniss or Lavelle to play as a passing CB every week because we weren't willing to bring in enough signings to overhaul the whole team. We don't have a striker suited to playing the way we play and the only options are a disaster or a player whose fitness record is impossibly bad.
I'd actually rather have an entire squad of players signed from L2 that are suited to the way the team is trying to play than the mish-mash of nothing we currently have. We got Garner in telling him to get the team to play the most energy-sapping, technical way possible and gave him not even half a toolbox to do it with. I'd rather have Wollacott than Mac, Egbo than Gunter and Matthews, O'Connell than Famewo and JRS than Leko but it's meaningless when the overall set-up is broken. I don't hate the signings, I hate that there were nowhere near enough of them to compete
Despite the calamatous error by Mc Goalkeeper this w/e,(over a season he was better than average L1 GK) Wollacot was an investment (time and money) we didn't actually need when there were more urgent priorities in defence and attack. At the time it was thought to be an upgrade throughout the team but as it turned out it was one of few.
MacKeeper, as you say, has a decent record in this division and shot-stopping is his strength - but he's a traditional style keeper.
Garner wanted something different, a keeper who could also play out short passes with his feet. Thus Wollocott was brought in - because he was already proven to play Garner's style of football.
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After a few days Sandgaard said "The building blocks are already being put in place to get us back to the Premier League"
In this short video he mentions Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham, but two years later we're still bed fellows with Cheltenham, Forest Green and Accrington bloody Stanley.
https://m.facebook.com/OfficialCAFC/videos/sandgaard-discusses-getting-charlton-back-to-the-premier-league/380489383094505/
That was me who bid and won and I have told them I am not interested, they offered me the chance to play with two CAFC legends or new management team, and I have told them I have no interest whilst TS is at the helm of the club.
Sandgaard wasted his money on managers, players like Schwartz etc... which were all about his vanity. Fair enough if he was willing to continue with that approach. It is expensive but can come good. But then suddenly in the summer he cut the budget to an extreme extent. With the transfer window system, a manager has to have a squad that has half a chance of getting him at least to the next one. We went into it with one fit established striker who is not the best playing on his own! This is criminal in terms of its stupidity. If we didn't learn the consequences of having no established strikers last season for a considerable spell you can bet we will never learn them.
Sandgaard is a pathetic narcissist and that really started to dawn in me when he strummed his guitar on the pitch at the start of last season, with a squad that was basically missing the tools required to have a decent season. Fair enough if he had a promotion squad, play your guitar to your hearts content, but we were far off that, and I recall saying that at the time. If I know it, with certainty, how clueless must that prick be!
Will they give you your money back?
That was the cheap option too
im not happy with this situation but im
glad that Pearce is involved. If Hayes is the tactical one, Pearce will hopefully be the motivator, the arm around the shoulder when needed and also the kick up the arse when needed.
We saw with Shelvey and Gomez, Miles Leaburn and Mitchell too, that some lads are physically ahead of their peergroup.
They are ready to compete in senior mens' football.
I guess Kanu isn't quite there yet ...... but he's highly rated by the coaching staff, so I'll trust their opinion.
If he's got the ability and the right attitude, he's likely to grab his chance when he's ready.
But no point playing and risk destroying him in the meantime.
You talk very good sense and I too hope you
Are right.
TS is just another wannabe egotistical wanker
With no proper or serious investment funds in
Place or strategy, his arrogant prick of a son ever less.👎👎👎👎👎
Garner wanted something different, a keeper who could also play out short passes with his feet.
Thus Wollocott was brought in - because he was already proven to play Garner's style of football.