He played the game, so that he got his pay off and can move on elsewhere, and won't appear to be in the wrong.
Sandgaards shit but there's two sides to every story.
Garner will get another job very quickly. He's probably already got one.
You don't work for the daily star do you. Face facts rather than inventing them, Sandgaard appointed Garner and failed to back him, Sandgaard sold two forwards and never replaced them, they were gone before Garner got here. Sandgaard has sacked numerous staff at the club, contrary to UK employment law, or did they all engineer their own dismissals as they had jobs waiting for them. Sandgaard is destroying this club and driving supporters away, or have the supporters left because they have season tickets waiting for them at other clubs.
I don't disagree with that but I'm not randomly inventing anything. It's putting 2 and 2 together
I highly doubt sandgaard would want to sack garner due to the cost of the contract pay off.
He didn't sack Bowyer and he reluctantly sacked adkins.
He sacked Jackson because his contract made it easier to do so.
It is safe to say garner knew the club had limited ambition and he knew there were a number of off field problems. My guess is there was a disagreement and he felt like giving up. He wasn't exactly begging to keep the job
Dave, you and I can only guess what conversations were had between Garner and Sandgaard when Garner was appointed but it's an actual fact that Garner was promised funds and loans because Sandgaard stated as much in discussion with supporters, none of which materialised. We don't know why Sandgaard has taken this action but once again his errors have cost him because I'm sure if he had kept to his bold words, we wouldn't be discussing this now.
Now that Garner’s gone, I think it’s time acknowledge that he had quite big feet and very big soles on his shoes. I can’t be the only one that noticed that
18 months ago we had senior managers having input into pitch maintenance and overalling Groundstaff, when their decisions were questioned they were reminded their job status was at risk, bullied and intimidated until they had a breakdown.
Staff leaving for the same reasons and naming names in leaving interviews still nothing was done. Various works left incomplete at SL reported to higher authority yet still incomplete due to costings, staff member responsible left the club due to the intimidation she received for pursuing the matter above the head of a member of the SMT (yes that one) We have paperwork to back it up, it’s still not done!
People were suggesting it was bs because names were withheld, the names are now out there but folk seemed more interested in signing a striker than whether the ownership were wrong’uns , I like others believed they were good people at the start even at the meeting they convinced me as I spoke to staff weeks later that were with me at the meeting still convinced something would happen, they wasn’t so sure, more and more staff left as the instigator of the bullying found other targets.
They made sure to be with other members of staff were present in the bully’s company although I know of examples of staff being called out in front of others at meetings and left feeling humiliated and upset. I know of HR email address being used to try and intimidate staff into accepting settlements after being wrongly dismissed and to be honest I could go on all night listing it all.
I got abuse for walking away from the club (not here by the way) and it wasn’t something I did likely but I can’t support any organisation that condones that behaviour be it my football club or not, I fooled myself into believing I could do some good, instead I made myself ill again so I had to step away not only from the club but those I was trying to help. Some I just wanted to let them know I was there, others a shoulder to cry on and someone to talk to but I had to concentrate on me for a bit, back on medication for a bit and my good lady reins me in when needed I’m back doing what I can.
I got and still get support when I need it, so I’m just returning the compliment nothing special. We need to remember there are still some f*cking good people at our football club just 3 wrong’uns oh and junior by all accounts! COYR
You know things are bad when a Millwall fan doesn’t take the piss about our basket case of a club but actually offers sensible advice on who our next manager should be.
To be fair it’s after “lights out” so give him time. 😉
We won't forget the support you have given to others that have been seriously affected by the treatment they were forced to endure whilst working at our club....and at risk to your own health.
But, sadly, the rot had set in & was too ingrained under the current regime and the manner in which such issues were "dealt with" ( NOT dealt with) could be said to be neglect of duty/health & safety of the employees involved.
Sadly, this disgraceful misuse of seniority or indeed, call it by another name, continues unabated it appears with the main instigator free to do what he "does best".
No CEO. Just an egotistical owner who had a dream ....
No senior management in situ ...or rather anyone worth that title with previous experience, it would appear.
No idea how to run a football club or desire to learn.
What does this add up to ......a complete & utter shambles together with the livelihood of decent ex employees at an abrupt end for their own sanity.
And respected, hard working staff WITH good experience, shown the door due to cost cutting....
A total recipe for disaster which the "chef " has duly served up.
That's just off the pitch !!
TBH, the numerous good people who work at or support our club never stood a chance.
But this won't last, Ray, rest assured, so just be proud of trying your utmost to make a difference.
You'll be here long after "they" have thrown in the towel.
At the end of the day, four managers later, we are in a worse position league wise than when TS took over. And yet he still thinks he is doing a good job. Deluded twat.
At the end of the day, four managers later, we are in a worse position league wise than when TS took over. And yet he still thinks he is doing a good job. Deluded twat.
At the end of the day, four managers later, we are in a worse position league wise than when TS took over. And yet he still thinks he is doing a good job. Deluded twat.
But considering we were stood on the precipice at the time, at least we still have a club now. Not much consolation.... granted.
Probably a better coach than a manager. Hopefully he'll get another chance somewhere to prove that theory wrong but as ever with these things, it gives somebody else a chance.
Hmmm...depends how you define 'a chance'. Half a transfer window with very little money and 20 games?
I am quite shocked and share the consensus that Garner had no chance and the current owner is systematically poisoning an already weakened club from top to bottom.
For the record, I supported the progressive Garner style but it needed time, some decent players and support from the owner. In the end Garner was provided with none of those. I suspect he is a decent coach and will do well elsewhere with the right backing.
Completely irrelevant who is his replacement, in my view.
Dobson, Clare and our decent youngsters will be gone in January and who can blame them for leaving the sinking ship when the rats are in command of it.
Woke up to the news and after the initial reaction of wtf, I reckon Garner has played a blinder here. It's only my my opinion, and I've no evidence or inside info, but I'd hazard a guess that Garner knew that no squad investment was happening this window, and possibly next summer too, on top of TS cashing in on Leaburn and any other descent prospect our academy produces.
I reckon bringing on JFC Infront of TS in injury time was a 'fu*K you' as well, that may of potentially triggered a clause in JFC's contract that TS wanted to avoid, Again, just a hunch.
The club is bang in trouble now, I cannot foresee any 'decent' manager wanting to come to us.
We know that Duchatelet was sending player suggestions to Powell. Sandgaard is no different. Garner got the job because Sandgaard wanted the team to play a certain way. You can't blame Garner for trying to deliver that. Sandgaard didn't give him the tools. It seems to come down to Sandgaard's ego and him never being wrong. He probably works 25 hours a day and wants the same level of commitment from players and staff. A bit like Musk. It's entirely deluded of course.
It may be that no attitude problem exists in the club but unrealistic expectations from management and owners.
I am actually more pissed off about this sacking than the Jackson one. It was clear from the start Jackson wasn't what TS wanted, and to be honest, the football was awful.
All though results have not been the best, I think we was heading in the right direction in terms of football and style, but Garner was let down badly in terms of recruitment. Once he started going public about the lack of support it was never going to end well. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a break in the contract if we dropped below a certain position in the table, hence the sacking now.
At the moment, I can't see any light at the end of the tunnel, it feels like TS is going out of his way to create a war with the fans. Who will come to Charlton in it's current state? False promises, a squad low on confidence, and owner who is trigger happy!
Unless a takeover happens quick, we are in deep shit!
Seem to be in a minority for a change, but I didn't mind Garner and thought he could've done better, given a bit of support. Genuinely never got that feeling with anyone since Bowyer
Wanted to give myself some time to think this whole thing over before posting. I still can't really blame Garner fully, there was clearly things promised to him when he was interviewed and agreed to join that just never materialised from TS. You can't bring in a manager ask him to completely revamp the style of play and culture and then not back him fully in the transfer market to get what he needs to make that happen. There was some slightly puzzling signings like Mcgrandles in the summer where I wasn't exactly sure why he was signed as I felt CM was an area where with senior players backed up by what we have coming through we were probably okay.
Football is a small world and I'm sure enough people that have left the club now will have got the word around about what the conditions are like working under the Sandgaards and that it's a job that's probably best avoided or at least to take some promises with a pinch of salt.
The interesting thing will be is TS still very much wedded to this vision of pressing attacking football and will go for another young " head coach" type or is he going to abandon that route and just look to bring in whoever actually wants it until the end of the season. Just hope we don't end up with JFH!
My prediction of garner gone by Christmas on the day of his appointment was right but I don’t t think Euell will be replacing him as I predicted now his left for Bristol. think I’d have bowyer back at least he got 100% out of the players what’s this cultural change shit every one is on about. We are Charlton we scrape and fight on little budgets always have the difference now is we are trying to be like everyone else. We ain’t got the budget or the players. You have to play to what suits what you have available not try to play like other teams because it’s fashionable.
But the least you need is the players give 100% on the pitch and that’s not the case and it’s not been the case since bowyer was in charge.
When innis made the short back pass in the first half his body language was he wasn’t Bothered. He had 2 players making there debuts next to him and they looked better than him.
Now that Garner’s gone, I think it’s time acknowledge that he had quite big feet and very big soles on his shoes. I can’t be the only one that noticed that
That’s a timely observation and shouldn’t be disregarded in what’s gone on this week
Our vastly wealthy
owner hires a fourth division manager – who signs fourth division
players. Who are skinned by Port Vale and Cheltenham – better known
for the Potteries and the ladies’ college.
Our players simply
do not have basic skills. Look closely – we can’t pass accurately
ten yards from one to another. He has to check, track back to
collect the ball. It goes out: a kerfuffle. We have a throw-in. Our
man stands, frozen: utterly brain dead.
Innis is a plank,
bumbling and caught by a team recently non-league. And our midfield!
They can’t win a tackle – Fraser misses it, then puffs to get
back, shuffling along with a banana up his arse. Jayesimi is a
toddler crashing into plastic furniture in a garden in Sidcup: he
simply can’t trap a bouncing ball.
Kirk stands around –
he should sprint at the defender in possession ten yards away –
make an impression, hassle him. There is never any quick or
intelligent movement up front. Aneke lumbers on, a lump suited more
to boxing, or grid-iron. Morgan is set free in the box – and skies
to the roof of the stand.
This is hapless,
comical stuff – slapstick comedy.
It’s wrong to
blame the ref. Or the state of the pitch. Or even poor,
fourth-division Garner. He complained that Port Vale beat us with
anti-football. Well, he was wrong! Port Vale won with great strength
and skills.
Our recruitment is
hopeless: cheap signings of crocks and unwanted free transfers. And
our coaching staff have failed, yet again and again. The free-kicks
that don’t beat the first man, the corners that plop straight to
the keeper’s hands. We demand far better than this. Get rid of
them all.
Sandgaard can shove
his guitar up his arse. Sideways.
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David Artell has already got a track suit with Cafc on so he is a strong candidate.
We won't forget the support you have given to others that have been seriously affected by the treatment they were forced to endure whilst working at our club....and at risk to your own health.
But, sadly, the rot had set in & was too ingrained under the current regime and the manner in which such issues were "dealt with" ( NOT dealt with) could be said to be neglect of duty/health & safety of the employees involved.
Sadly, this disgraceful misuse of seniority or indeed, call it by another name, continues unabated it appears with the main instigator free to do what he "does best".
No CEO. Just an egotistical owner who had a dream ....
No senior management in situ ...or rather anyone worth that title with previous experience, it would appear.
No idea how to run a football club or desire to learn.
What does this add up to ......a complete & utter shambles together with the livelihood of decent ex employees at an abrupt end for their own sanity.
And respected, hard working staff WITH good experience, shown the door due to cost cutting....
A total recipe for disaster which the "chef " has duly served up.
That's just off the pitch !!
TBH, the numerous good people who work at or support our club never stood a chance.
But this won't last, Ray, rest assured, so just be proud of trying your utmost to make a difference.
You'll be here long after "they" have thrown in the towel.
Tick tock.
I am quite shocked and share the consensus that Garner had no chance and the current owner is systematically poisoning an already weakened club from top to bottom.
For the record, I supported the progressive Garner style but it needed time, some decent players and support from the owner. In the end Garner was provided with none of those. I suspect he is a decent coach and will do well elsewhere with the right backing.
Completely irrelevant who is his replacement, in my view.
Dobson, Clare and our decent youngsters will be gone in January and who can blame them for leaving the sinking ship when the rats are in command of it.
We need a new owner not a new manager.
It's only my my opinion, and I've no evidence or inside info, but I'd hazard a guess that Garner knew that no squad investment was happening this window, and possibly next summer too, on top of TS cashing in on Leaburn and any other descent prospect our academy produces.
I reckon bringing on JFC Infront of TS in injury time was a 'fu*K you' as well, that may of potentially triggered a clause in JFC's contract that TS wanted to avoid, Again, just a hunch.
The club is bang in trouble now, I cannot foresee any 'decent' manager wanting to come to us.
Sandgaard is no different. Garner got the job because Sandgaard wanted the team to play a certain way. You can't blame Garner for trying to deliver that. Sandgaard didn't give him the tools.
It seems to come down to Sandgaard's ego and him never being wrong. He probably works 25 hours a day and wants the same level of commitment from players and staff. A bit like Musk.
It's entirely deluded of course.
It may be that no attitude problem exists in the club but unrealistic expectations from management and owners.
All though results have not been the best, I think we was heading in the right direction in terms of football and style, but Garner was let down badly in terms of recruitment. Once he started going public about the lack of support it was never going to end well. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a break in the contract if we dropped below a certain position in the table, hence the sacking now.
At the moment, I can't see any light at the end of the tunnel, it feels like TS is going out of his way to create a war with the fans. Who will come to Charlton in it's current state? False promises, a squad low on confidence, and owner who is trigger happy!
Unless a takeover happens quick, we are in deep shit!
It’s just like watching Watford,
…
Football is a small world and I'm sure enough people that have left the club now will have got the word around about what the conditions are like working under the Sandgaards and that it's a job that's probably best avoided or at least to take some promises with a pinch of salt.
The interesting thing will be is TS still very much wedded to this vision of pressing attacking football and will go for another young " head coach" type or is he going to abandon that route and just look to bring in whoever actually wants it until the end of the season. Just hope we don't end up with JFH!
think I’d have bowyer back at least he got 100% out of the players
what’s this cultural change shit every one is on about. We are Charlton we scrape and fight on little budgets always have the difference now is we are trying to be like everyone else. We ain’t got the budget or the players. You have to play to what suits what you have available not try to play like other teams because it’s fashionable.
It was wrong from the start.
Our vastly wealthy owner hires a fourth division manager – who signs fourth division players. Who are skinned by Port Vale and Cheltenham – better known for the Potteries and the ladies’ college.
Our players simply do not have basic skills. Look closely – we can’t pass accurately ten yards from one to another. He has to check, track back to collect the ball. It goes out: a kerfuffle. We have a throw-in. Our man stands, frozen: utterly brain dead.
Innis is a plank, bumbling and caught by a team recently non-league. And our midfield! They can’t win a tackle – Fraser misses it, then puffs to get back, shuffling along with a banana up his arse. Jayesimi is a toddler crashing into plastic furniture in a garden in Sidcup: he simply can’t trap a bouncing ball.
Kirk stands around – he should sprint at the defender in possession ten yards away – make an impression, hassle him. There is never any quick or intelligent movement up front. Aneke lumbers on, a lump suited more to boxing, or grid-iron. Morgan is set free in the box – and skies to the roof of the stand.
This is hapless, comical stuff – slapstick comedy.
It’s wrong to blame the ref. Or the state of the pitch. Or even poor, fourth-division Garner. He complained that Port Vale beat us with anti-football. Well, he was wrong! Port Vale won with great strength and skills.
Our recruitment is hopeless: cheap signings of crocks and unwanted free transfers. And our coaching staff have failed, yet again and again. The free-kicks that don’t beat the first man, the corners that plop straight to the keeper’s hands. We demand far better than this. Get rid of them all.
Sandgaard can shove his guitar up his arse. Sideways.