A poor team performance today, which doesn't reflect well on Holden. Yes we have a poor side and squad, but we were outplayed by Accrington, a team built on a tiny tiny budget.
A poor team performance today, which doesn't reflect well on Holden. Yes we have a poor side and squad, but we were outplayed by Accrington, a team built on a tiny tiny budget.
We have 2 of the best wingers/wide men in the league but they dont create anything.
Garner's tactics was to have the midfield help score the goals but that was flawed from the start as our midfield couldn't score in a brothel. Fraser got a couple & Payne too (but mostly in the cup) but Morgan, Dobson, Kilkenny, Kirk, Gilbey.......Nada.
Then Holden comes along and we get worse. 1 goal in 5 games and he gets a 3 year contract.
I said back on the 21 of Feb in hear that the club should wait to end of tge season before deciding on whether to offer Holden a contract. So I think tgiving him a contract to 2026 is premature.
A 3-year deal does seem like a strange decision. I'm pretty sure we were 17th when Garner was sacked, and we're currently languishing in 16th. Holden strikes me as a good bloke with a reasonable football brain, but I struggle to see what he's achieved to warrant a deal of that length. Being realistic - he is never going to last 3 years, unless a new owner comes in and gives the green light to significant transfers this summer.
On some level it's nice to think we have a manager pinned down long term, but Im not convinced he was ever the best option, even with our limited scope to entice potential managers. He won't be supported with a proper transfer budget in the summer and any business will be limited to league two rejects and freebies/loans. So we go again with a mediocre squad, and as a result Holden will go on a bad run of results at some point next season and get sacked, and groundhog day resets.
Id be delighted to be proved wrong but this cycle has happened every time since Bowyer left, and theres no evidence that will change this time, unless something very positive happens in terms of our ownership.
I have a feeling Holden's agent knows this, their thinking being "well if the owner doesn't support you, and you end up getting sacked, we still get paid so what the hell.....". His reputation won't take much of a hit as he can always blame the regime for any failings he had here.
Nothing against Holden as a bloke, he seems like a genuine decent guy and I hope things get better for him, but you're really set up to fail as a manager at Charlton under the current ownership regime. More and more it seems like a miracle what Bow achieved here in 18-19.
It could be different story for Holden should the club come under the ownership of someone willing to spend to build a strong squad, but what's the likelihood of that right now?
I was very disappointed that his behaviour led to a yellow card today. It looked like it was over a nothing incident and was a bad example. If it is supposed to be about the man showing passion he'd be better off doing it by winning games.
Charlton fans - give Holden a contract asap before another club signs him up. Holden signs so Charlton fans say - why have we given him a contract, it's too soon, he's proved nothing blah blah blah.
Charlton fans - give Holden a contract asap before another club signs him up. Holden signs so Charlton fans say - why have we given him a contract, it's too soon, he's proved nothing blah blah blah.
Only the people that actually believed any other club wanted him. His agent was working overtime the past few months.
Charlton fans - give Holden a contract asap before another club signs him up. Holden signs so Charlton fans say - why have we given him a contract, it's too soon, he's proved nothing blah blah blah.
It's not necessarily the same Charlton fans saying those two things though.
Charlton fans - give Holden a contract asap before another club signs him up. Holden signs so Charlton fans say - why have we given him a contract, it's too soon, he's proved nothing blah blah blah.
It's not necessarily the same Charlton fans saying those two things though.
Agreed, but we're hardly inundated with supportive comments.
People are more likely to post when they're feeling negative about something aren't they? I'd reckon it's probably 50/50 pro/con (for those who have made their mind up). Needs a poll perhaps. I like his manner, but have no idea if he's any good as a manager. Based on the last five performances (two draws, three defeats) he might not be, but when we won five out of seven he seemed ok. Left Manchester feeling quite positive about him.
People are more likely to post when they're feeling negative about something aren't they? I'd reckon it's probably 50/50 pro/con. Needs a poll perhaps. I like his manner, but have no idea if he's any good as a manager. Based on the last five performances (two draws, three defeats) he might not be, but when we won five out of seven he seemed ok. Left Manchester feeling quite positive about him.
You forgot 'undecided'. There's no point judging a manager properly until next season, as long as we stay up. We've changed managers/styles too many times recently and the common denominator is the players. Happy to give the guy a chance and decide then.
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I'm finding it very hard to still like him tbh. Let's hope he has a plan for next year and can actually deliver on it.
Just seen this.
League 2 here we come.
Garner's tactics was to have the midfield help score the goals but that was flawed from the start as our midfield couldn't score in a brothel. Fraser got a couple & Payne too (but mostly in the cup) but Morgan, Dobson, Kilkenny, Kirk, Gilbey.......Nada.
Then Holden comes along and we get worse. 1 goal in 5 games and he gets a 3 year contract.
Unreal.
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/holden-delighted-to-sign-new-addicks-deal-but-admits-club-still-needs-certainty-around-ownership/
Id be delighted to be proved wrong but this cycle has happened every time since Bowyer left, and theres no evidence that will change this time, unless something very positive happens in terms of our ownership.
I have a feeling Holden's agent knows this, their thinking being "well if the owner doesn't support you, and you end up getting sacked, we still get paid so what the hell.....". His reputation won't take much of a hit as he can always blame the regime for any failings he had here.
Nothing against Holden as a bloke, he seems like a genuine decent guy and I hope things get better for him, but you're really set up to fail as a manager at Charlton under the current ownership regime. More and more it seems like a miracle what Bow achieved here in 18-19.
It could be different story for Holden should the club come under the ownership of someone willing to spend to build a strong squad, but what's the likelihood of that right now?
If it is supposed to be about the man showing passion he'd be better off doing it by winning games.
He was in the Woolwich footage.
Holden signs so Charlton fans say - why have we given him a contract, it's too soon, he's proved nothing blah blah blah.
I'd reckon it's probably 50/50 pro/con (for those who have made their mind up). Needs a poll perhaps.
I like his manner, but have no idea if he's any good as a manager. Based on the last five performances (two draws, three defeats) he might not be, but when we won five out of seven he seemed ok. Left Manchester feeling quite positive about him.
Don't give up your day Job.
Looking forward to Holden getting a decent chance at a full season next year. Hopefully he's backed in the summer.