One thing that Holden has done better than Garner (arguably) and Jackson (definitely) is sticking to the Curbs mantra of not letting highs be too high or lows too low.
When results have turned or we've had a loss then the players have generally seemed to "reset" and start again instead of the streaky performances of before with a run of wins that get derailed by a poor game and suddenly going on a string of losses instead.
Oh baby, do you know what he’s worth Dean Holden is the best on Earth With his ginger hair he’s just what we need Taking Charlton up the football league
If this takes off I’ll take my credit. If it doesn’t, you have never heard of Sage before and I was never here.
Oh baby, do you know what he’s worth Dean Holden is the best on Earth With his ginger hair he’s just what we need Taking Charlton up the football league
If this takes off I’ll take my credit. If it doesn’t, you have never heard of Sage before and I was never here.
Still needs to prove himself imo. I think he’s got more about him than Garner, but we’re an easy mark as fans and a few pints down the oak and soundbites about no dickheads means very little given the last few years. It’s good that he did get involved the fans, but for me, all that matters is results. I’d take a team of dickheads if we got out this league
Still needs to prove himself imo. I think he’s got more about him than Garner, but we’re an easy mark as fans and a few pints down the oak and soundbites about no dickheads means very little given the last few years. It’s good that he did get involved the fans, but for me, all that matters is results. I’d take a team of dickheads if we got out this league
Imposing yourself on the pitch on a Saturday is good, you can’t go out there and be bullied by the opposition.
I think the “no dickheads” policy was more likely in regards to presence around Sparrows Lane etc. which I very much subscribe to - a harmonious dressing room will be pivotal to a promotion season.
Like you’d take a team of dickheads if it meant promotion, I’d also take a team of Sunday league talent if it meant promotion. Reality is that filling your team with Roger Johnsons and Marcus Maddisons doesn’t get promoted.
No harm in going to the pub win or loose. I would not have extended his contract until the end of the season. But now he must be given a good run as manager at least a season and the financial backing.
That and the complaints about how Fraser celebrated our goal at Milton Keynes
Christ some fans need to get out more themselves
Some fans need to stop hero worshipping every player/manager just because they're associated with the club. You should have to earn admiration, not just get it as standard.
That and the complaints about how Fraser celebrated our goal at Milton Keynes
Christ some fans need to get out more themselves
Some fans need to stop hero worshipping every player/manager just because they're associated with the club. You should have to earn admiration, not just get it as standard.
"Just win games"... So the man cant have a life, even if we lose, he has to go home and sit in his chair thinking constantly about work?
That and the complaints about how Fraser celebrated our goal at Milton Keynes
Christ some fans need to get out more themselves
Some fans need to stop hero worshipping every player/manager just because they're associated with the club. You should have to earn admiration, not just get it as standard.
"Just win games"... So the man cant have a life, even if we lose, he has to go home and sit in his chair thinking constantly about work?
Get a grip of yourself
He could go to any pub in the country, you think it's just coincidence he goes on his own to the main home pub? Nothing but a PR exercise. Not my fault you can't see that
That and the complaints about how Fraser celebrated our goal at Milton Keynes
Christ some fans need to get out more themselves
Some fans need to stop hero worshipping every player/manager just because they're associated with the club. You should have to earn admiration, not just get it as standard.
"Just win games"... So the man cant have a life, even if we lose, he has to go home and sit in his chair thinking constantly about work?
Get a grip of yourself
He could go to any pub in the country, you think it's just coincidence he goes on his own to the main home pub? Nothing but a PR exercise. Not my fault you can't see that
Crap PR exercise seeing its taken nearly 24-hours for it to be mentioned on here
Unless it got skirted over on the Post Match Thread, nothing on twitter either - Nothing to do with hero worship or admiration - I'm not a mug to care about what people get up to after a game
That and the complaints about how Fraser celebrated our goal at Milton Keynes
Christ some fans need to get out more themselves
Some fans need to stop hero worshipping every player/manager just because they're associated with the club. You should have to earn admiration, not just get it as standard.
"Just win games"... So the man cant have a life, even if we lose, he has to go home and sit in his chair thinking constantly about work?
Get a grip of yourself
He could go to any pub in the country, you think it's just coincidence he goes on his own to the main home pub? Nothing but a PR exercise. Not my fault you can't see that
Is it not part of his job to try and get the fans on-side? I think he recognises the role the fans can play, also fair play to him for not just doing it when we win.
As for his performance, we are performing at the level you would expect of this squad, so he’s done decent enough in my book
I like the fact he will front the fans come win lose or draw. A lot of managers would hide after such a defeat. Speaks volumes on his character and I like him a lot. I hope he stays and gets the right backing (without FM interference) to build a very competitive squad.
That and the complaints about how Fraser celebrated our goal at Milton Keynes
Christ some fans need to get out more themselves
Some fans need to stop hero worshipping every player/manager just because they're associated with the club. You should have to earn admiration, not just get it as standard.
"Just win games"... So the man cant have a life, even if we lose, he has to go home and sit in his chair thinking constantly about work?
Get a grip of yourself
He could go to any pub in the country, you think it's just coincidence he goes on his own to the main home pub? Nothing but a PR exercise. Not my fault you can't see that
Crap PR exercise seeing its taken nearly 24-hours for it to be mentioned on here
Unless it got skirted over on the Post Match Thread, nothing on twitter either - Nothing to do with hero worship or admiration - I'm not a mug to care about what people get up to after a game
I can upload a picture if you don't believe it. I dont do twitter etc. I werent there but my sister was who goes home and away. Its weird going to the Charlton pub often with the fans. Especially after losing to morecambe at home.
That and the complaints about how Fraser celebrated our goal at Milton Keynes
Christ some fans need to get out more themselves
Some fans need to stop hero worshipping every player/manager just because they're associated with the club. You should have to earn admiration, not just get it as standard.
Exactly this. Too many think players and managers are good just cause the play or manage us. He's shite for me. We are way to soft and accommodating as a fan base of poor players and managers
That and the complaints about how Fraser celebrated our goal at Milton Keynes
Christ some fans need to get out more themselves
Some fans need to stop hero worshipping every player/manager just because they're associated with the club. You should have to earn admiration, not just get it as standard.
"Just win games"... So the man cant have a life, even if we lose, he has to go home and sit in his chair thinking constantly about work?
Get a grip of yourself
He could go to any pub in the country, you think it's just coincidence he goes on his own to the main home pub? Nothing but a PR exercise. Not my fault you can't see that
Crap PR exercise seeing its taken nearly 24-hours for it to be mentioned on here
Unless it got skirted over on the Post Match Thread, nothing on twitter either - Nothing to do with hero worship or admiration - I'm not a mug to care about what people get up to after a game
I can upload a picture if you don't believe it. I dont do twitter etc. I werent there but my sister was who goes home and away. Its weird going to the Charlton pub often with the fans. Especially after losing to morecambe at home.
Oh I believe you... Yet doesnt a successful PR exercise involve making sure as many people know about it as possible?
That and the complaints about how Fraser celebrated our goal at Milton Keynes
Christ some fans need to get out more themselves
Some fans need to stop hero worshipping every player/manager just because they're associated with the club. You should have to earn admiration, not just get it as standard.
"Just win games"... So the man cant have a life, even if we lose, he has to go home and sit in his chair thinking constantly about work?
Get a grip of yourself
He could go to any pub in the country, you think it's just coincidence he goes on his own to the main home pub? Nothing but a PR exercise. Not my fault you can't see that
Sorry You are entitled to your opinion but IMO you are constantly in the most negative postings on this forum Always happy to criticise and find it hard to find any praise I was down the Oak last night when Dean came along - happy to chat and have pics take .Seems like a good bloke in my book but results on the pitch may or may not dictate otherwise Lets give him some time before we can realistically judge him but please feel free to have a pop at this post in your usual negative way
That and the complaints about how Fraser celebrated our goal at Milton Keynes
Christ some fans need to get out more themselves
Some fans need to stop hero worshipping every player/manager just because they're associated with the club. You should have to earn admiration, not just get it as standard.
"Just win games"... So the man cant have a life, even if we lose, he has to go home and sit in his chair thinking constantly about work?
Get a grip of yourself
He could go to any pub in the country, you think it's just coincidence he goes on his own to the main home pub? Nothing but a PR exercise. Not my fault you can't see that
Crap PR exercise seeing its taken nearly 24-hours for it to be mentioned on here
Unless it got skirted over on the Post Match Thread, nothing on twitter either - Nothing to do with hero worship or admiration - I'm not a mug to care about what people get up to after a game
I can upload a picture if you don't believe it. I dont do twitter etc. I werent there but my sister was who goes home and away. Its weird going to the Charlton pub often with the fans. Especially after losing to morecambe at home.
Oh I believe you... Yet doesnt a successful PR exercise involve making sure as many people know about it as possible?
I think Holden is a decent bloke, an upgrade on Garner and Jackson, but until he got the job here his career was going nowhere. For me, I’m not a fan of this mixing with the fans down the pub. To be fair to him he fronted up after a performance like that, and I know he’s gone down there after wins too. It’s a little contrived imo. He has the majority on his side for now and quite rightly, he’s inherited crap. However, next season the fans will afford less patience. I don’t really care for seeing owners, players or managers fraternizing with the fans unless we’re making progress or smashing it.
Too many players get idolized in today’s modern game. To me the majority of footballers are walking cliches that get paid too much money.
That and the complaints about how Fraser celebrated our goal at Milton Keynes
Christ some fans need to get out more themselves
Some fans need to stop hero worshipping every player/manager just because they're associated with the club. You should have to earn admiration, not just get it as standard.
"Just win games"... So the man cant have a life, even if we lose, he has to go home and sit in his chair thinking constantly about work?
Get a grip of yourself
He could go to any pub in the country, you think it's just coincidence he goes on his own to the main home pub? Nothing but a PR exercise. Not my fault you can't see that
Sorry You are entitled to your opinion but IMO you are constantly in the most negative postings on this forum Always happy to criticise and find it hard to find any praise I was down the Oak last night when Dean came along - happy to chat and have pics take .Seems like a good bloke in my book but results on the pitch may or may not dictate otherwise Lets give him some time before we can realistically judge him but please feel free to have a pop at this post in your usual negative way
That and the complaints about how Fraser celebrated our goal at Milton Keynes
Christ some fans need to get out more themselves
Some fans need to stop hero worshipping every player/manager just because they're associated with the club. You should have to earn admiration, not just get it as standard.
Earn admiration. What, like turning up at a pub you know will be filled with Charlton fans to have a chat with them, even after you've lost a game? I'm not fully convinced by Holden as a manager yet but I'm aware enough to recognise that you can separate out the Holden as manager/Holden as a person sides. He seems like a very decent man. I admire him for the way he's dealt with the tragedy he's had in his life, I admire his willingness to connect with fans and his refusal to allow players to get away with being both bad AND annoying. You're not making excuses for him or hero worshipping him because you think he's a decent bloke any more than you're saying he's a wanker because the team loses a match. This idea that you're tolerating football mediocrity because you're willing to say the manager did something nice is such narrow thinking it's laughable. It's like when the club posts something about a community day on Twitter and all the posts are just 'don't care, announce x'. 'Sign some players!' More than one thing can happen at once, we don't have to reduce the view of everything to great or disaster based on one situation
Still needs to prove himself imo. I think he’s got more about him than Garner, but we’re an easy mark as fans and a few pints down the oak and soundbites about no dickheads means very little given the last few years. It’s good that he did get involved the fans, but for me, all that matters is results. I’d take a team of dickheads if we got out this league
We would get out of this League/division with a team of dickheads and it's called League 2.
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When results have turned or we've had a loss then the players have generally seemed to "reset" and start again instead of the streaky performances of before with a run of wins that get derailed by a poor game and suddenly going on a string of losses instead.
Oh baby, do you know what he’s worth
Dean Holden is the best on Earth
With his ginger hair he’s just what we need
Taking Charlton up the football league
If this takes off I’ll take my credit. If it doesn’t, you have never heard of Sage before and I was never here.
I think the “no dickheads” policy was more likely in regards to presence around Sparrows Lane etc. which I very much subscribe to - a harmonious dressing room will be pivotal to a promotion season.
Like you’d take a team of dickheads if it meant promotion, I’d also take a team of Sunday league talent if it meant promotion. Reality is that filling your team with Roger Johnsons and Marcus Maddisons doesn’t get promoted.
Excuses disappear next season.
That and the complaints about how Fraser celebrated our goal at Milton Keynes
Christ some fans need to get out more themselves
Get a grip of yourself
Unless it got skirted over on the Post Match Thread, nothing on twitter either - Nothing to do with hero worship or admiration - I'm not a mug to care about what people get up to after a game
As for his performance, we are performing at the level you would expect of this squad, so he’s done decent enough in my book
You are entitled to your opinion but IMO you are constantly in the most negative postings on this forum Always happy to criticise and find it hard to find any praise
I was down the Oak last night when Dean came along - happy to chat and have pics take .Seems like a good bloke in my book but results on the pitch may or may not dictate otherwise
Lets give him some time before we can realistically judge him but please feel free to have a pop at this post in your usual negative way
You'd be negative with a username like that.
We would get out of this League/division with a team of dickheads and it's called League 2.