I was trying to ignore the ITV pundits but it struck me that Gary Neville said this is a better England team than the ones he played in. I think that's spot on, and not only because he's agreeing with something I said earlier in the competition - this is the best england team on my lifetime (with the caveat that I'm too young to remember 1970 when the team was reportedly a bit useful). They cam up against the team who've been the best in the tournament so far, and ran them very close.
It may not seem like it for those with more commitment to England than me, but that was a great game to watch and a really good performance. Just the luck of the draw that it was a quarter final not the final.
France Morocco will be an interesting one. A colonial history that makes England and India look like best friends. And Morocco have already done the thing about being the first African team to get as far as they have.
I'm not sure I agree with that, as the "Golden Generation" had some seriously good players. An awful lot of Premier League legends around that time G Neville A Cole Campbell Ferdinand Terry J Cole Scholes Lampard Gerrard Beckham Shearer Owen/Rooney
The squad depth would be unreal, but Kane is perhaps the only starter from the current squad who'd walk straight into that team, even then his competition with Shearer would be massive debate
Two moments of class won the game for France, yeah we were unlucky but France are World champions for a reason. Also, I don't think I've seen refereeing that bad at this level, ultimately he didn't cost us the game but I assume the refs are all graded at the World Cup and his performance was ......odd. I think Southgate has some thinking to do in terms of the side, Henderson, Kane, Walker, Maguire, Stones will not be involved for the next World Cup, does he keep the side together for the Euros or does he look to replace those players now.
I think this world Cup shows players are easily able to play until mid thirties now if you are good enough. See Messi, Modric, Lloris, Giroud, Perisic
I can’t see how anyone can argue that we haven’t done really well since Southgate took over. We’ve been in the semis, final and quarter final in all his tournaments and lost by fine margins in each tournament. We’ve got a lot to be positive about and although tonight is another sickener, I’m excited about what a lot of these players can bring in 2022 and beyond. My only worry is Centre back and up top. Stones and Maguire aren’t guaranteed starters for their respective club teams and Kane will be 31 in 2022. It’s not that I don’t think he can do job 2 years from now (look at Giroud), it’s more of a worry about the next top forward coming through to replace him/give us an alternative.
We’ve got an abundance of good full backs, very talented midfielders and attacking midfielders, but who are our next top centre backs and top centre forward?
I can’t see how anyone can argue that we haven’t done really well since Southgate took over. We’ve been in the semis, final and quarter final in all his tournaments and lost by fine margins in each tournament. We’ve got a lot to be positive about and although tonight is another sickener, I’m excited about what a lot of these players can bring in 2022 and beyond. My only worry is Centre back and up top. Stones and Maguire aren’t guaranteed starters for their respective club teams and Kane will be 31 in 2022. It’s not that I don’t think he can do job 2 years from now (look at Giroud), it’s more of a worry about the next top forward coming through to replace him/give us an alternative.
We’ve got an abundance of good full backs, very talented midfielders and attacking midfielders, but who are our next top centre backs and top centre forward?
I was trying to ignore the ITV pundits but it struck me that Gary Neville said this is a better England team than the ones he played in. I think that's spot on, and not only because he's agreeing with something I said earlier in the competition - this is the best england team on my lifetime (with the caveat that I'm too young to remember 1970 when the team was reportedly a bit useful). They cam up against the team who've been the best in the tournament so far, and ran them very close.
It may not seem like it for those with more commitment to England than me, but that was a great game to watch and a really good performance. Just the luck of the draw that it was a quarter final not the final.
France Morocco will be an interesting one. A colonial history that makes England and India look like best friends. And Morocco have already done the thing about being the first African team to get as far as they have.
I'm not sure I agree with that, as the "Golden Generation" had some seriously good players. An awful lot of Premier League legends around that time G Neville A Cole Campbell Ferdinand Terry J Cole Scholes Lampard Gerrard Beckham Shearer Owen/Rooney
The squad depth would be unreal, but Kane is perhaps the only starter from the current squad who'd walk straight into that team, even then his competition with Shearer would be massive debate
As Shearer himself has said, he could play with Kane as Kane likes to drift and play the No 10 role, whereas Shearer is an out and out No 9.
Gutted but Twas ever thus , we never win as underdogs in these tourneys
we done enough but wasn’t our day they were there to be beaten after their first 25 mins of dominance Saka was brilliant and so was Kane but defensively we aren’t the best and Giroud a passed his best wise striker had us over
I think if I was a player I’d be glad to be going back in to the season soon rather than fannying on a beach with the Mrs and all that shit in your head about what might have been .
I was trying to ignore the ITV pundits but it struck me that Gary Neville said this is a better England team than the ones he played in. I think that's spot on, and not only because he's agreeing with something I said earlier in the competition - this is the best england team on my lifetime (with the caveat that I'm too young to remember 1970 when the team was reportedly a bit useful). They cam up against the team who've been the best in the tournament so far, and ran them very close.
It may not seem like it for those with more commitment to England than me, but that was a great game to watch and a really good performance. Just the luck of the draw that it was a quarter final not the final.
France Morocco will be an interesting one. A colonial history that makes England and India look like best friends. And Morocco have already done the thing about being the first African team to get as far as they have.
I'm not sure I agree with that, as the "Golden Generation" had some seriously good players. An awful lot of Premier League legends around that time G Neville A Cole Campbell Ferdinand Terry J Cole Scholes Lampard Gerrard Beckham Shearer Owen/Rooney
The squad depth would be unreal, but Kane is perhaps the only starter from the current squad who'd walk straight into that team, even then his competition with Shearer would be massive debate
As Shearer himself has said, he could play with Kane as Kane likes to drift and play the No 10 role, whereas Shearer is an out and out No 9.
But then who would you pick as the Striker if we played the 2000 Generation, in tonight's system?
As its also about the pace on the flanks
Dont think Shearer AND Kane would work together in this setup at all, we'd be too slow
I was trying to ignore the ITV pundits but it struck me that Gary Neville said this is a better England team than the ones he played in. I think that's spot on, and not only because he's agreeing with something I said earlier in the competition - this is the best england team on my lifetime (with the caveat that I'm too young to remember 1970 when the team was reportedly a bit useful). They cam up against the team who've been the best in the tournament so far, and ran them very close.
It may not seem like it for those with more commitment to England than me, but that was a great game to watch and a really good performance. Just the luck of the draw that it was a quarter final not the final.
France Morocco will be an interesting one. A colonial history that makes England and India look like best friends. And Morocco have already done the thing about being the first African team to get as far as they have.
I'm not sure I agree with that, as the "Golden Generation" had some seriously good players. An awful lot of Premier League legends around that time G Neville A Cole Campbell Ferdinand Terry J Cole Scholes Lampard Gerrard Beckham Shearer Owen/Rooney
The golden generation did have some very special players. What I'm saying is that this is the better team. It's a matter of opinion and I'm sure a lot of people won't agree with me, but there's more to the quality of a team than how good the individual players are.
At least I don’t have to worry about being in Glasgow on Weds semi final night. Will just be cheering Morocco from the rooftops.
Agree with AFKA that for once it would be nice for the nice guys to win.Roll on 2026 and Bellingham’s World Cup. What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.
Anyone but Lloris! Fella got in Kane's head. Saying that, I still don't think England really believe in themselves. There's another gear there but Southgate is sadly not the man who can find it. I said before this started, that somewhere along the line Southgate would have to come out of his comfort zone and gamble for once. Saka was causing them all sorts of problems as the second half wore on and he takes him off for Sterling FFS! Love Southgate and his approach to tournaments and the camps he builds is first class. But when it gets down to the real nitty gritty, he is lacking unfortunately.
I was trying to ignore the ITV pundits but it struck me that Gary Neville said this is a better England team than the ones he played in. I think that's spot on, and not only because he's agreeing with something I said earlier in the competition - this is the best england team on my lifetime (with the caveat that I'm too young to remember 1970 when the team was reportedly a bit useful). They cam up against the team who've been the best in the tournament so far, and ran them very close.
It may not seem like it for those with more commitment to England than me, but that was a great game to watch and a really good performance. Just the luck of the draw that it was a quarter final not the final.
France Morocco will be an interesting one. A colonial history that makes England and India look like best friends. And Morocco have already done the thing about being the first African team to get as far as they have.
I'm not sure I agree with that, as the "Golden Generation" had some seriously good players. An awful lot of Premier League legends around that time G Neville A Cole Campbell Ferdinand Terry J Cole Scholes Lampard Gerrard Beckham Shearer Owen/Rooney
The golden generation did have some very special players. What I'm saying is that this is the better team. It's a matter of opinion and I'm sure a lot of people won't agree with me, but there's more to the quality of a team than how good the individual players are.
We have a better team now, but the golden generation should have been a better team. Whether that's down to Sven, or the rivalries between the Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool players back then ruining team spirit, something which don't seem to exist now, I don't know.
After all the great Spanish team managed to incorporate Real and Barca players happily enough.
All you ask for in a game of this magnitude is that everyone does their job. Everyone on our team did their job. The ref didn’t do his. Unfortunately that is out of their control.
I’m more gutted than I thought I’d be purely based on the above.
He's a likable person. I just think and fear the pressure hit him incredibly hard in that exact moment and he just got overwhelmed. Staying 100% focused didn't happen
It's a very tough ask, we all know that...but please at least just hit the target!
Usually I am full of loathing for the team that beats us …. But if it’s France v Argies, I still think I would want France to win
That’s a given for any English fan.
Why?
I might be missing something here, but for neither of the G.O.A.T players to not win the world cup would be a travesty.
Though Morocco get my backing!
Are you unaware of the history and bad vibes rivalry we have with them……this goes back to 1966 and was made even worse when Maradona cheated us. Off the pitch they also dislike us for the Falklands war and the sinking of the Belgrano……all of which added to the mutual feelings of antipathy. I am surprised you needed to ask.
Shame we couldn't do it but we gave it a good go. I think France will continue to win the whole thing again although I'd be delighted if Morocco can somehow perform yet another miracle against France as they have against Spain and Portugal.
Feel for Harry Kane missing that second penalty but he isn't the first and probably won't be the last England player to miss an important penalty in the finals of a big tournament.
Although we lost it doesn't feel to me like the capitulation of most previous England teams since 1966.
Usually I am full of loathing for the team that beats us …. But if it’s France v Argies, I still think I would want France to win
That’s a given for any English fan.
Why?
I might be missing something here, but for neither of the G.O.A.T players to not win the world cup would be a travesty.
Though Morocco get my backing!
Are you unaware of the history and bad vibes rivalry we have with them……this goes back to 1966 and was made even worse when Maradona cheated us. Off the pitch they also dislike us for the Falklands war and the sinking of the Belgrano……all of which added to the mutual feelings of antipathy. I am surprised you needed to ask.
So because of what happened before I was alive I should dislike them? The off the pitch stuff has nothing to do with my views on a nation now, I'd argue they were right to be pissed off for the Falklands war.
I think the single good point is the hand of God, but that was forever ago.
Usually I am full of loathing for the team that beats us …. But if it’s France v Argies, I still think I would want France to win
That’s a given for any English fan.
Why?
I might be missing something here, but for neither of the G.O.A.T players to not win the world cup would be a travesty.
Though Morocco get my backing!
Are you unaware of the history and bad vibes rivalry we have with them……this goes back to 1966 and was made even worse when Maradona cheated us. Off the pitch they also dislike us for the Falklands war and the sinking of the Belgrano……all of which added to the mutual feelings of antipathy. I am surprised you needed to ask.
So because of what happened before I was alive I should dislike them? The off the pitch stuff has nothing to do with my views on a nation now, I'd argue they were right to be pissed off for the Falklands war.
I think the single good point is the hand of God, but that was forever ago.
Usually I am full of loathing for the team that beats us …. But if it’s France v Argies, I still think I would want France to win
That’s a given for any English fan.
Why?
I might be missing something here, but for neither of the G.O.A.T players to not win the world cup would be a travesty.
Though Morocco get my backing!
Are you unaware of the history and bad vibes rivalry we have with them……this goes back to 1966 and was made even worse when Maradona cheated us. Off the pitch they also dislike us for the Falklands war and the sinking of the Belgrano……all of which added to the mutual feelings of antipathy. I am surprised you needed to ask.
So because of what happened before I was alive I should dislike them? The off the pitch stuff has nothing to do with my views on a nation now, I'd argue they were right to be pissed off for the Falklands war.
I think the single good point is the hand of God, but that was forever ago.
Some of you seriously need to learn to move on!
I’m never getting over 1986 hand of god ,nearly 16 failing my olevels cos I was watching all the football and a bit lazy not good no forgiveness for that ever
Horrible feeling when you lose like that, but it’s not the same anger and upset I’ve felt in the past few tournaments. That was a good performance against what I would call the best team in the world.
I think a big consolation for me is that I genuinely believe this group will only get better and stronger as the years go on. I’ve been a critic of Southgate but I hope he gets the euros and I genuinely think we’ll win it.
Usually I am full of loathing for the team that beats us …. But if it’s France v Argies, I still think I would want France to win
That’s a given for any English fan.
Why?
I might be missing something here, but for neither of the G.O.A.T players to not win the world cup would be a travesty.
Though Morocco get my backing!
Are you unaware of the history and bad vibes rivalry we have with them……this goes back to 1966 and was made even worse when Maradona cheated us. Off the pitch they also dislike us for the Falklands war and the sinking of the Belgrano……all of which added to the mutual feelings of antipathy. I am surprised you needed to ask.
So because of what happened before I was alive I should dislike them? The off the pitch stuff has nothing to do with my views on a nation now, I'd argue they were right to be pissed off for the Falklands war.
I think the single good point is the hand of God, but that was forever ago.
Some of you seriously need to learn to move on!
Fuck me - really?
I really would like to know how you came to that conclusion , given the fact that they started the thing.
Usually I am full of loathing for the team that beats us …. But if it’s France v Argies, I still think I would want France to win
That’s a given for any English fan.
Why?
I might be missing something here, but for neither of the G.O.A.T players to not win the world cup would be a travesty.
Though Morocco get my backing!
Are you unaware of the history and bad vibes rivalry we have with them……this goes back to 1966 and was made even worse when Maradona cheated us. Off the pitch they also dislike us for the Falklands war and the sinking of the Belgrano……all of which added to the mutual feelings of antipathy. I am surprised you needed to ask.
So because of what happened before I was alive I should dislike them? The off the pitch stuff has nothing to do with my views on a nation now, I'd argue they were right to be pissed off for the Falklands war.
I think the single good point is the hand of God, but that was forever ago.
Some of you seriously need to learn to move on!
You can ignore the Falklands, but the reality is that on the whole argies are generally quite honestly nasty/cheating horrible fuckers.
The way they celebrated and behaved last night was vulgar, they are specialists in the dark arts, there’s no rule and obviously there are some sound ones out there (I really like zabaleta tbf), but on the whole they are snide horrible classless fuckers, I was in rio for the 2014 final and there were 200,000 odd of them their and they were horrid, the way their fans and players have behaved has been consistently littered with classless behaviour tournament after tournament across my lifetime (born 1986)
uruguay their neighbours are quite similar I would say
brazil very different probably why they hate each other
I do like messi and would kind of like him to shove it in ronaldos face as the GOAT but I can’t bring myself to want argentina to win
I went to Wembley for finalissimo or whatever it was in the summer and wanted Italy to stuff em but the amazing support and football (which they’ve got nowhere near this tournament ) of Argentina swayed me towards them winning the World Cup. Also a good number of their fans were still there chanting and banging away an hour after the game had ended . Walking up Wembley way they were good natured . So maybe I was lucky with that experience but the 50k or so at Wembley created a good atmosphere and you could feel the genuine energy from the crowd .
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Right we are out ! What do we talk about now ? Oh bring on the takeover thread !
We’ve got an abundance of good full backs, very talented midfielders and attacking midfielders, but who are our next top centre backs and top centre forward?
Ah.
Sometimes it would be nice if the nice guy got the breaks.
Which I guess is an improvement?
Annoyingly if we'd won last year you could almost feel a bit philosophical about it, win some, lose some etc.
we done enough but wasn’t our day
they were there to be beaten after their first 25 mins
of dominance
Saka was brilliant and so was Kane
but defensively we aren’t the best and Giroud a passed his best wise striker had us over
I think if I was a player I’d be glad to be going back in to the season soon rather than fannying on a beach with the Mrs and all that shit in your head about what might have been .
As its also about the pace on the flanks
Dont think Shearer AND Kane would work together in this setup at all, we'd be too slow
Kane doesn't rely on pace, reckon he has one more tournament in him at least, very possibly two.
And Rooney and Owen didn't play that much together given injuries etc, there was a lot of Heskey/Owen, Heskey/Rooney.
And Kane is better than Heskey.
Saying that, I still don't think England really believe in themselves. There's another gear there but Southgate is sadly not the man who can find it.
I said before this started, that somewhere along the line Southgate would have to come out of his comfort zone and gamble for once. Saka was causing them all sorts of problems as the second half wore on and he takes him off for Sterling FFS!
Love Southgate and his approach to tournaments and the camps he builds is first class. But when it gets down to the real nitty gritty, he is lacking unfortunately.
After all the great Spanish team managed to incorporate Real and Barca players happily enough.
He's a likable person. I just think and fear the pressure hit him incredibly hard in that exact moment and he just got overwhelmed. Staying 100% focused didn't happen
It's a very tough ask, we all know that...but please at least just hit the target!
Off the pitch they also dislike us for the Falklands war and the sinking of the Belgrano……all of which added to the mutual feelings of antipathy.
I am surprised you needed to ask.
Shame we couldn't do it but we gave it a good go. I think France will continue to win the whole thing again although I'd be delighted if Morocco can somehow perform yet another miracle against France as they have against Spain and Portugal.
Feel for Harry Kane missing that second penalty but he isn't the first and probably won't be the last England player to miss an important penalty in the finals of a big tournament.
Although we lost it doesn't feel to me like the capitulation of most previous England teams since 1966.
I think the single good point is the hand of God, but that was forever ago.
Some of you seriously need to learn to move on!
no forgiveness for that ever
I really would like to know how you came to that conclusion , given the fact that they started the thing.
uruguay their neighbours are quite similar I would say
brazil very different probably why they hate each other
I do like messi and would kind of like him to shove it in ronaldos face as the GOAT but I can’t bring myself to want argentina to win
Also a good number of their fans were still there chanting and banging away an hour after the game had ended .
Walking up Wembley way they were good natured .
So maybe I was lucky with that experience but the 50k or so at Wembley created a good atmosphere and you could feel the genuine energy from the crowd .
fuck em still want em to lose