Signing Dack would be a massive statement. Would be great in League One if he is over his ACL injury.
Nothing would be more Charlton than him getting over his ACL injury, signing for us then getting some fluke ankle injury in some friendly that writes him off for the entire season.
Believe he has had a handful of runnings with police, he doesn't sound like the nicest bloke going, I would rather us find a player in form within our own league or the league below, younger and hungrier. I don't want to see another player potentially over the hill playing for us just for comfort reasons.
Someone else suggested Dack to me this evening and said it was happening
either they read the same story or they’ve heard it from someone at the club (that's what they said was the source)
Dack was very unhappy with the way he left us BUT was a very good player before his injury and was popular at Blackburn. He’s a local lad so might fancy coming home to be near family 🤷♂️
not impossible I guess
Blackburn fans are pretty much all singing his praises
This would be my concern as well. A fully fit and hungry Dack would probably be a good asset to have but I don't know he'd pass the "No dickheads" test.
I can't help but think of Di Canio and Andy Hughes.
Every profile of player there are ones that worked, and ones that didn't.
We aren't going to sign 10 hungry, up and coming, players who's value will sky rocket.
Dack could be our Barry Bannon. He could be the next Ben Watson. We might not sign him. He might go to Wigan (no need to move) and be brilliant. He might go to Orient (near home but not us) and be injured or a shell of his former self. Who knows.
TBH if we were fishing in that market with the added, he would rather not but if your paying x premium, I would have a tingle.
The doubts with Dack are his injuries, obviously, and his stereotypical footballer with wag lifestyle. Not sure I want another showboating sick note who just wants to be in London for a last payday.
But that said; I’ve got full faith in Holden to weed out dickheads - and not sign any. So have pretty good faith in his judgement either way.
Someone else suggested Dack to me this evening and said it was happening
either they read the same story or they’ve heard it from someone at the club (that's what they said was the source)
Dack was very unhappy with the way he left us BUT was a very good player before his injury and was popular at Blackburn. He’s a local lad so might fancy coming home to be near family 🤷♂️
not impossible I guess
Blackburn fans are pretty much all singing his praises
Injuries have been an issue, but I believe he is over his knee injuries now. Just hope if true it doesn't turn in to another Arter type of signing. But Dack is a good age of 29 and no doubt has a few points to prove with his knees!
I mean if Dack is turning peoples noses up, I don’t know who we are expecting to bring in. Even signing young players which everyone would love, Dack would be a great addition!
I mean if Dack is turning peoples noses up, I don’t know who we are expecting to bring in. Even signing young players which everyone would love, Dack would be a great addition!
Well my nose is not turned up - he's clearly got talent, arguably a point to prove and is neither a young maybe nor an old has-been. Potentially he could be very useful indeed, and certa inly a bit of experience will be a good thing.
But my arms aren't open wide either. He left under a cloud, he's coming back from injury, and his motivation to drop a level is up in the air.
Holden does deserve a chance to build his own squad. He deserves the chance from our supposed new owners and from fans as well, we've not yet seen what he can do with a squad of his own making.
But (and maybe I'm just cynical/worn down) our theoretical new signing being a good player with a bad injury dropping a league doesn't quite feel like the brand new start we were hoping for, personally.
On the one side he was a very good player a few years ago and pre-injuries he was on the verge of a Premier league move and i'm sure i remember him being strongly linked with Leeds.
However after two cruciate knee injuries, he's likely never going to be the same player he was and there's surely the potential that he break down again.
Having said that, despite his injury record i'd be surprised if he can't get a deal at a championship club.
Dack I would be surprised if he would drop to League 1? Wages I could see being a bit of a stumbling block. Do think creativity is something that's high on the list of things to address though. Not sure if Fraser is the answer or if he needs the side in effect to be built around him.
On the injury side, none of us will know the risk element as much as the club. The sort of player who is better than League One by a significant margin which may, along with released players like Morgan, Inniss and Clare, who could have got deals be a positive sign.
I mean if Dack is turning peoples noses up, I don’t know who we are expecting to bring in. Even signing young players which everyone would love, Dack would be a great addition!
Well my nose is not turned up - he's clearly got talent, arguably a point to prove and is neither a young maybe nor an old has-been. Potentially he could be very useful indeed, and certa inly a bit of experience will be a good thing.
But my arms aren't open wide either. He left under a cloud, he's coming back from injury, and his motivation to drop a level is up in the air.
Holden does deserve a chance to build his own squad. He deserves the chance from our supposed new owners and from fans as well, we've not yet seen what he can do with a squad of his own making.
But (and maybe I'm just cynical/worn down) our theoretical new signing being a good player with a bad injury dropping a league doesn't quite feel like the brand new start we were hoping for, personally.
I completely understand where you are coming from and we have been there before with the likes of Arter. Taking injury out of the equation though….more so from a confidence point of view…nobody wanted Yann before he signed. You just never know.
I can't help but think of Di Canio and Andy Hughes.
Every profile of player there are ones that worked, and ones that didn't.
We aren't going to sign 10 hungry, up and coming, players who's value will sky rocket.
Dack could be our Barry Bannon. He could be the next Ben Watson. We might not sign him. He might go to Wigan (no need to move) and be brilliant. He might go to Orient (near home but not us) and be injured or a shell of his former self. Who knows.
TBH if we were fishing in that market with the added, he would rather not but if you’re paying x premium, I would have a tingle.
Di Canio and Hughes weren’t from London and were known to be good pros who kept themselves fit.
Gunter no longer had the hunger and arguably the legs, playing for Wales was more of a priority. Watson got his move home and didn’t have enough of either.
You’ve raised your second and third points before and I agree. Dack has had a serious injury and had a couple of seasons starting fewer than 20 league games. He’d also be returning home. If another older player has played more games and hasn’t had a fairly recent major injury then I wouldn’t be as concerned.
Fortunately we know Holden wants a fitter squad and the right characters (clearly neither were high enough priorities in our recruitment under TS) so if Dack passes those tests and we sign him I’d back Holden’s judgement.
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There's also this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/news/amp/woman-describes-waking-up-with-31700/
Believe he has had a handful of runnings with police, he doesn't sound like the nicest bloke going, I would rather us find a player in form within our own league or the league below, younger and hungrier. I don't want to see another player potentially over the hill playing for us just for comfort reasons.
Out with a knee ligament injury sustained last month on loan at Stoke.
either they read the same story or they’ve heard it from someone at the club (that's what they said was the source)
Dack was very unhappy with the way he left us BUT was a very good player before his injury and was popular at Blackburn. He’s a local lad so might fancy coming home to be near family 🤷♂️
not impossible I guess
Blackburn fans are pretty much all singing his praises
Could be a good signing if he has, but I can't help but think of Gunter and Watson.
Appears he's stayed fit this season making 13 starts and 14 sub apps in the league this season.
https://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=308&teamTabs=stats
With JRS going I’d quite like to see us return to a diamond. A quality CM with Dobson, Fraser and Dack would be a good midfield.
Every profile of player there are ones that worked, and ones that didn't.
We aren't going to sign 10 hungry, up and coming, players who's value will sky rocket.
Dack could be our Barry Bannon. He could be the next Ben Watson. We might not sign him. He might go to Wigan (no need to move) and be brilliant. He might go to Orient (near home but not us) and be injured or a shell of his former self. Who knows.
TBH if we were fishing in that market with the added, he would rather not but if your paying x premium, I would have a tingle.
that will be a vast improvement.
inly a bit of experience will be a good thing.
But my arms aren't open wide either. He left under a cloud, he's coming back from injury, and his motivation to drop a level is up in the air.
Holden does deserve a chance to build his own squad. He deserves the chance from our supposed new owners and from fans as well, we've not yet seen what he can do with a squad of his own making.
But (and maybe I'm just cynical/worn down) our theoretical new signing being a good player with a bad injury dropping a league doesn't quite feel like the brand new start we were hoping for, personally.
On the one side he was a very good player a few years ago and pre-injuries he was on the verge of a Premier league move and i'm sure i remember him being strongly linked with Leeds.
However after two cruciate knee injuries, he's likely never going to be the same player he was and there's surely the potential that he break down again.
Having said that, despite his injury record i'd be surprised if he can't get a deal at a championship club.
Gunter no longer had the hunger and arguably the legs, playing for Wales was more of a priority. Watson got his move home and didn’t have enough of either.
You’ve raised your second and third points before and I agree. Dack has had a serious injury and had a couple of seasons starting fewer than 20 league games. He’d also be returning home. If another older player has played more games and hasn’t had a fairly recent major injury then I wouldn’t be as concerned.
Fortunately we know Holden wants a fitter squad and the right characters (clearly neither were high enough priorities in our recruitment under TS) so if Dack passes those tests and we sign him I’d back Holden’s judgement.