Surprised that Cole Stockton has only got a 2 year deal at Burton considering he's the best striker in the world. But seriously, the obsession with him has to be one of the weirdest ones on here in a long time. He has had one proper goalscoring season in his career. he's 29. He had an absolute pig last season and covered up for it a bit by going on a spree in the last 4 games when it was too late to help his team much. He has 80 career league goals and more than a quarter of them were in one season, a season which he then couldn't repeat. If you compare his record to anyone it would be Nicky Ajose, and as I remember that turned out very well for us. It really does speak volumes that instead of going to a promotion-pushing team he's signed for a club that knowingly picked up Oshilaja, McGillivray, Kirk and Lavelle. Best of luck to him.
Strange narrative you have with him. He's been a very good striker in League 1 the last 2 years. Was the best player on the pitch at The Valley too
How is it a strange narrative? He had one exceptional season in 21/22 where he got 23 goals. He was fantastic, and the question was always whether he could repeat it. That's always a challenge for strikers at any level. Alfie May was able to, Ajose couldn't, he had a one-off. Stockton didn't repeat it the second season in L1, he had 4 goals by the middle of April. Morecambe went down, and part of that was because their main striker was rubbish until the last four games of the season. He was not a very good League 1 striker last year, he was a bust; that's why he's gone to Burton now and not Bolton or Barnsley or Derby.
Maybe he's gone there because of mortgage interest rates
Wasn't John Smith one of the plethora of names linked to the takeover? If this is true then it seems likely TS is agreeing to what the incoming regime wants.
Well he appears to have been involved with Spiegel, but this all seems like he has crossed across to Methven's lot.
Smith is Storrie man.. Nothing to Methven lot
But wasn't he part of the Spiegel consortium?
Yes, and who brought Storrie to the club? Spiegel group
Whole time Martin Sandgaard is still involved, Holden isn't going to get the players he wants!
Storrie is quoted as saying that MS is still doing the data analysis but isn’t part of the decision making process. Holden will ask MS for the data on a target and that will be used as part of the decision making process.
MS is having a say on the transfers.. Holden has given a list of players he would like, and they keep coming back with different players that MS has in the black box.. This won't change until takeover is complete.
It won't stop us signing players, but maybe the ones that is top of Holden list.
Whole time Martin Sandgaard is still involved, Holden isn't going to get the players he wants!
Storrie is quoted as saying that MS is still doing the data analysis but isn’t part of the decision making process. Holden will ask MS for the data on a target and that will be used as part of the decision making process.
MS is having a say on the transfers.. Holden has given a list of players he would like, and they keep coming back with different players that MS has in the black box.. This won't change until takeover is complete.
It won't stop us signing players, but maybe the ones that is top of Holden list.
I wish that wasn't the case, but it's so absurd that it is probably true!
When buying a company you can legally prevent the target company acquiring or disposing of assets that you don't agree to.
ie Leaburn etc
So I hope they stop any pissing about by TS and MS!
Sounds like Storrie is also having a big say on transfer at the moment, and only going one route through John Smith the agent and his brother, and guess who May's agent is?? Think the whole Charlton have bid for May is agent talk at the moment! Not sure Holden wants him!
But we were told he was having a medical at the club last week
Whole time Martin Sandgaard is still involved, Holden isn't going to get the players he wants!
Storrie is quoted as saying that MS is still doing the data analysis but isn’t part of the decision making process. Holden will ask MS for the data on a target and that will be used as part of the decision making process.
That’s true MS not involved in selecting players that’s down to DH then PS and SG
Whole time Martin Sandgaard is still involved, Holden isn't going to get the players he wants!
Storrie is quoted as saying that MS is still doing the data analysis but isn’t part of the decision making process. Holden will ask MS for the data on a target and that will be used as part of the decision making process.
MS is having a say on the transfers.. Holden has given a list of players he would like, and they keep coming back with different players that MS has in the black box.. This won't change until takeover is complete.
It won't stop us signing players, but maybe the ones that is top of Holden list.
Whole time Martin Sandgaard is still involved, Holden isn't going to get the players he wants!
Storrie is quoted as saying that MS is still doing the data analysis but isn’t part of the decision making process. Holden will ask MS for the data on a target and that will be used as part of the decision making process.
MS is having a say on the transfers.. Holden has given a list of players he would like, and they keep coming back with different players that MS has in the black box.. This won't change until takeover is complete.
It won't stop us signing players, but maybe the ones that is top of Holden list.
Does not sound good.
Sounds like a shit show. And probably means the Sandgaards don't have much faith in it going through.
Whole time Martin Sandgaard is still involved, Holden isn't going to get the players he wants!
Storrie is quoted as saying that MS is still doing the data analysis but isn’t part of the decision making process. Holden will ask MS for the data on a target and that will be used as part of the decision making process.
MS is having a say on the transfers.. Holden has given a list of players he would like, and they keep coming back with different players that MS has in the black box.. This won't change until takeover is complete.
It won't stop us signing players, but maybe the ones that is top of Holden list.
Sounds like excuses to me. Feels like we are going to be left short and they will just blame it all on Sandgaard. Should have been quicker buying the club or at least should have put their own people in place once the SPA was signed, they did it in January so why not now? Storrie and MS shouldn’t have key roles in recruitment, why was Andy Scott not brought back in straight away so the new regime could have their own man on recruitment?
Sounds like someone has heard that fans aren't very happy and is chucking out a quick line to shift the blame and feed the gristle a bit. Very convenient that everything just so happens to be Sandgaard’s fault isn't it....
There are rules in place that prevent prospective new owners from having any financial influence on a club before a takeover is official. It’s Sandgaard financing any deals or nothing at this stage. All this talk of The new lot having their own men in place and wheeling and dealing is pie in the sky.
Whole time Martin Sandgaard is still involved, Holden isn't going to get the players he wants!
Storrie is quoted as saying that MS is still doing the data analysis but isn’t part of the decision making process. Holden will ask MS for the data on a target and that will be used as part of the decision making process.
MS is having a say on the transfers.. Holden has given a list of players he would like, and they keep coming back with different players that MS has in the black box.. This won't change until takeover is complete.
It won't stop us signing players, but maybe the ones that is top of Holden list.
Sounds like excuses to me. Feels like we are going to be left short and they will just blame it all on Sandgaard. Should have been quicker buying the club or at least should have put their own people in place once the SPA was signed, they did it in January so why not now? Storrie and MS shouldn’t have key roles in recruitment, why was Andy Scott not brought back in straight away so the new regime could have their own man on recruitment?
The (potential) new owners cannot manage the club before it’s approved by the EFL, so they can’t put money or people in place at this stage. Or the club would be sanctioned / potentially put under an embargo. That’s why when Andy Scott etc were in their roles earlier, they were “TS” appointments.
House analogy alert - try getting keys and redecorating before you have bought the house!
Whole time Martin Sandgaard is still involved, Holden isn't going to get the players he wants!
Storrie is quoted as saying that MS is still doing the data analysis but isn’t part of the decision making process. Holden will ask MS for the data on a target and that will be used as part of the decision making process.
MS is having a say on the transfers.. Holden has given a list of players he would like, and they keep coming back with different players that MS has in the black box.. This won't change until takeover is complete.
It won't stop us signing players, but maybe the ones that is top of Holden list.
Sounds like excuses to me. Feels like we are going to be left short and they will just blame it all on Sandgaard. Should have been quicker buying the club or at least should have put their own people in place once the SPA was signed, they did it in January so why not now? Storrie and MS shouldn’t have key roles in recruitment, why was Andy Scott not brought back in straight away so the new regime could have their own man on recruitment?
The man that bought us Penny , Killkenny and Kane in January
The club hasnt been sold, Sandgaard is still the owner and we continue with the current management set up, hardly an excuse or "the blame game" is it, its either Martin and co. or no one to recruit.
There are rules in place that prevent prospective new owners from having any financial influence on a club before a takeover is official. It’s Sandgaard financing any deals or nothing at this stage. All this talk of The new lot having their own men in place and wheeling and dealing is pie in the sky.
But apparently they did exactly that in January? So what’s the difference now? According to Methvens briefings, they funded January with a deposit and we all know they had Rodwell, Warwick and Scott working for the club
Whole time Martin Sandgaard is still involved, Holden isn't going to get the players he wants!
Storrie is quoted as saying that MS is still doing the data analysis but isn’t part of the decision making process. Holden will ask MS for the data on a target and that will be used as part of the decision making process.
MS is having a say on the transfers.. Holden has given a list of players he would like, and they keep coming back with different players that MS has in the black box.. This won't change until takeover is complete.
It won't stop us signing players, but maybe the ones that is top of Holden list.
Sounds like excuses to me. Feels like we are going to be left short and they will just blame it all on Sandgaard. Should have been quicker buying the club or at least should have put their own people in place once the SPA was signed, they did it in January so why not now? Storrie and MS shouldn’t have key roles in recruitment, why was Andy Scott not brought back in straight away so the new regime could have their own man on recruitment?
The man that bought us Penny , Killkenny and Kane in January
I think it’s quite harsh to judge someone on a window where they didn’t own the club yet. They showed they were good at shifting the deadwood which we definitely need to do again. I’d rather have Scott who is experienced than Storrie (experienced but not in recruitment) and Martin still significantly involved
Whole time Martin Sandgaard is still involved, Holden isn't going to get the players he wants!
Storrie is quoted as saying that MS is still doing the data analysis but isn’t part of the decision making process. Holden will ask MS for the data on a target and that will be used as part of the decision making process.
MS is having a say on the transfers.. Holden has given a list of players he would like, and they keep coming back with different players that MS has in the black box.. This won't change until takeover is complete.
It won't stop us signing players, but maybe the ones that is top of Holden list.
Sounds like excuses to me. Feels like we are going to be left short and they will just blame it all on Sandgaard. Should have been quicker buying the club or at least should have put their own people in place once the SPA was signed, they did it in January so why not now? Storrie and MS shouldn’t have key roles in recruitment, why was Andy Scott not brought back in straight away so the new regime could have their own man on recruitment?
The (potential) new owners cannot manage the club before it’s approved by the EFL, so they can’t put money or people in place at this stage. Or the club would be sanctioned / potentially put under an embargo. That’s why when Andy Scott etc were in their roles earlier, they were “TS” appointments.
House analogy alert - try getting keys and redecorating before you have bought the house!
In which case that's all they need to say. All of the stuff coming out about how Sandgaard and Son are actively involved and making things worse is pure "feed the narrative" bullshit.
We're somehow lead to believe that TS has both given up completely and wants nothing else to do with us, not paying any fees etc but AT THE SAME TIME he's got his son to interfere with the process and make his own lists etc and generally make things difficult.
I'm not for a single second saying that Sandgaard’s not made mistakes or got things wrong but why would he bother wasting his time actively screwing things up. Best result, he gets his money anyway and fucks off. Worst result, it goes wrong at the 11th hour and he's got more bills to pay.
Whole time Martin Sandgaard is still involved, Holden isn't going to get the players he wants!
Storrie is quoted as saying that MS is still doing the data analysis but isn’t part of the decision making process. Holden will ask MS for the data on a target and that will be used as part of the decision making process.
MS is having a say on the transfers.. Holden has given a list of players he would like, and they keep coming back with different players that MS has in the black box.. This won't change until takeover is complete.
It won't stop us signing players, but maybe the ones that is top of Holden list.
Does not sound good.
Sounds like a shit show. And probably means the Sandgaards don't have much faith in it going through.
Re transfer think@DubaiCAFC is correct.
Also believe it’s a must we must stay within guidelines of EFL and FA.
Don’t think it will fall thru but in the not to distant future it will be same again. Ie looking for new owners.
As for Martin Sandgaard and his magic box if Holden could speak face to face would love to see it. Think Martin is safely in the USA never to return.
We don’t have the staff in numbers or correct staff to run the place as it should be run.
Surprised that Cole Stockton has only got a 2 year deal at Burton considering he's the best striker in the world. But seriously, the obsession with him has to be one of the weirdest ones on here in a long time. He has had one proper goalscoring season in his career. he's 29. He had an absolute pig last season and covered up for it a bit by going on a spree in the last 4 games when it was too late to help his team much. He has 80 career league goals and more than a quarter of them were in one season, a season which he then couldn't repeat. If you compare his record to anyone it would be Nicky Ajose, and as I remember that turned out very well for us. It really does speak volumes that instead of going to a promotion-pushing team he's signed for a club that knowingly picked up Oshilaja, McGillivray, Kirk and Lavelle. Best of luck to him.
Strange narrative you have with him. He's been a very good striker in League 1 the last 2 years. Was the best player on the pitch at The Valley too
How is it a strange narrative? He had one exceptional season in 21/22 where he got 23 goals. He was fantastic, and the question was always whether he could repeat it. That's always a challenge for strikers at any level. Alfie May was able to, Ajose couldn't, he had a one-off. Stockton didn't repeat it the second season in L1, he had 4 goals by the middle of April. Morecambe went down, and part of that was because their main striker was rubbish until the last four games of the season. He was not a very good League 1 striker last year, he was a bust; that's why he's gone to Burton now and not Bolton or Barnsley or Derby. His ability to look good against us is great for him but it doesn't mean he's good in the other 44 games on offer.
You're basing him solely on his goalscoring record and in your fantasy land the season finishes in mid April anyway. His goalscoring record is actually pretty good (34 goals in 83 appearances in league 1 past 2 seasons), he was playing with people Pape Souare...i suspect he will do much better in a better team. Anyway i think Stockton is a target man who brings others into the game, and from what I've seen is very good at it. Don't care we havn't signed him, but i think your overly harsh on him.
Morecambe's season did pretty much finish in mid-April. They had too much to do to stay up by then. That's sort of how it works, if you lose all your games at the start then going on a three match winning run doesn't really help. His excellent hold up play did yield one assist though and brought other players into the game to the tune of the 6th lowest goals scored tally in the league. His overall tally isn't bad, that's true, but again 23 of those goals were in one exceptional season. Out of interest, what is from what you've seen beyond two games at The Valley? I don't think I'm overly harsh, I just see him for what he is, which is an average L1 striker who had one standout season. Not a career to be sniffed at but not the kind of player you want to sign if you need to rebuild your team for a promotion tilt. Other teams evidently think the same which is why he's gone to Burton, 15th place in L1.
I just get very tired of these transfer window fixations we get into as fans. One or two players are always identified as our saviour and if we don't sign them it's meltdown. When we actually do make the signing though it doesn't seem to help. Scott Fraser had one excellent game against us and it was all anyone could talk about. The fact next game he was marked out of the game by Darren Pratley was ignored and now he's...fine. He's ok, he's good sometimes. Not the missing piece. A couple of summers ago we were desperate for Sandgaard to push the boat out for Charlie Kirk, he'd fix us. I forget how that ended. Maybe Stockton will have another 20 goal season at Burton, maybe he won't, but I think he'll end his career without any big promotion team thinking he was good enough. He'll definitely score against us for Burton though. And Deji probably.
If they won their last game of the season they would have stayed up! I don't think he's our saviour nor is anyone going into meltdown, just that you under rate him (imo). Anyway enough derailing of thread
There are rules in place that prevent prospective new owners from having any financial influence on a club before a takeover is official. It’s Sandgaard financing any deals or nothing at this stage. All this talk of The new lot having their own men in place and wheeling and dealing is pie in the sky.
One of the people that understands the situation thank goodness.
Sounds like someone has heard that fans aren't very happy and is chucking out a quick line to shift the blame and feed the gristle a bit. Very convenient that everything just so happens to be Sandgaard’s fault isn't it....
Yep. Reckon this is it. The manner in which this info comes out is so transparent
The quicker they leave the club the better, slowly draining the life out of us. MS knows jack shit about football and needs to do one. Presently not looking great for the season ahead…..again. Weren’t we meant to be pushing for Europe by now?
Don't care who we sign, so long as we start with a full squad. If, Holden has given his backing to whoever signs, then I'm OK with that.
I knew nothing of Rak Sakyi last term and he's got to have been the best player at the club in years. Age, experience and reputation mean nothing when they step over that white line. It's doing the job that they have been given to the best of their ability is all I care about.
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It won't stop us signing players, but maybe the ones that is top of Holden list.
When buying a company you can legally prevent the target company acquiring or disposing of assets that you don't agree to.
ie Leaburn etc
So I hope they stop any pissing about by TS and MS!
Covered End Lad, any comments?
15-goals in League Two last year for them - Dark horses with their firepower potentially for next season?
House analogy alert - try getting keys and redecorating before you have bought the house!
We're somehow lead to believe that TS has both given up completely and wants nothing else to do with us, not paying any fees etc but AT THE SAME TIME he's got his son to interfere with the process and make his own lists etc and generally make things difficult.
I'm not for a single second saying that Sandgaard’s not made mistakes or got things wrong but why would he bother wasting his time actively screwing things up. Best result, he gets his money anyway and fucks off. Worst result, it goes wrong at the 11th hour and he's got more bills to pay.
Doesn't add up, sorry.
Don’t think it will fall thru but in the not to distant future it will be same again. Ie looking for new owners.
As for Martin Sandgaard and his magic box if Holden could speak face to face would love to see it. Think Martin is safely in the USA never to return.
We don’t have the staff in numbers or correct staff to run the place as it should be run.
Thats my way of our situation thinking out loud.
I knew nothing of Rak Sakyi last term and he's got to have been the best player at the club in years. Age, experience and reputation mean nothing when they step over that white line. It's doing the job that they have been given to the best of their ability is all I care about.
New blood please, whoever is pulling the strings.