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The 2023 ICC Men's Cricket World Cup

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  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,737
    Brook is our only hope. 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,783
    edited October 2023
    Callumcafc said:
    kinveachyaddick said:
    are we out if we lose?
    No but we’ll need to win five of our last six games (RSA, SL, AUS, IND, NED, PAK) to have a decent chance.
    And that may well not be enough given our current poor NRR. If we look at all the WC results to date this will be the first upset if it happens and our only win would be against the second worst team in the comp. 
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,737
    Bedsaddick said:
    golfaddick said:
    We've lost this one.


    Definitely . Curran and Woakes don't have the capability to put on any kind of partnership. 
    Or bowl well having watched them today.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    I am not sure how England have managed it, but have said before we are a top 6 batsman short and a bowler short. 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,783
    50 (45) for Brook

    134-5 off 25.2
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,783
    So who does Stokes come in for if he's fit for SA? We have to have six bowlers and a keeper, it can't be Malan or Root (356 runs between them) and if Brook wins us this game (or even gets a big score in trying to do so) then that just leaves Bairstow. But that would mean Brook opening. 
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,824
    Addick Addict said:
    So who does Stokes come in for if he's fit for SA? We have to have six bowlers and a keeper, it can't be Malan or Root (356 runs between them) and if Brook wins us this game (or even gets a big score in trying to do so) then that just leaves Bairstow. But that would mean Brook opening. 
    May as well play him instead of one of the “all rounders”.  Curran’s contribution today has been spectacular 
  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,673
    Curran’s batting is absolutely woeful these days
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764
    edited October 2023
    Addick Addict said:
    So who does Stokes come in for if he's fit for SA? We have to have six bowlers and a keeper, it can't be Malan or Root (356 runs between them) and if Brook wins us this game (or even gets a big score in trying to do so) then that just leaves Bairstow. But that would mean Brook opening. 
    Woakes or Curran based on today. We’re too heavy on crap bowlers (in the conditions) and not enough batting.

    I’d almost be tempted to drop both of them for Stokes and Moeen. Or Willey who I didn’t realise was in the squad.
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,459
    Christ.
    Just got in. Turned it on. Sam Curran out.
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  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,783
    Curran caught at slip off Nabi for 10 (23)

    138-6 off 27.2
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,459
    Something not right with this camp
  • msomerton
    msomerton Posts: 2,972
    What is wrong is none of the team has played in the domestic 50 over competition last season and most did not play in the season before.
    They played a lot of 16+ over games though.
    What can you expect.
    No player from any of the players who made it to the semifinal stages either.
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,737
    Hopefully that's Curran's last game this tournament. Willey deserves his chance and he's been a better batter in recent months. 
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,673
    Cafc43v3r said:
    I am not sure how England have managed it, but have said before we are a top 6 batsman short and a bowler short. 
    Stokes if fit solves the problem. 
    Trouble is he's not fit.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Callumcafc said:
    Addick Addict said:
    So who does Stokes come in for if he's fit for SA? We have to have six bowlers and a keeper, it can't be Malan or Root (356 runs between them) and if Brook wins us this game (or even gets a big score in trying to do so) then that just leaves Bairstow. But that would mean Brook opening. 
    Woakes or Curran based on today. We’re too heavy on crap bowlers (in the conditions) and not enough batting.

    I’d almost be tempted to drop both of them for Stokes and Moeen.
    I would be tempted to as well but leaves us with only one new ball bowler (not that the one we have used has done anything).

    I want a six man attack if Willey plays but we really need to extra batsman.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,783
    Cafc43v3r said:
    I am not sure how England have managed it, but have said before we are a top 6 batsman short and a bowler short. 
    The issue is that, unlike most of the top teams, we don't have five bowlers that we can rely on to bowl 10 overs if required to do so (we had two today that went for 87 off 8 overs between them) and a Stokes as that sixth bowler if required.  
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,737
    blackpool72 said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    I am not sure how England have managed it, but have said before we are a top 6 batsman short and a bowler short. 
    Stokes if fit solves the problem. 
    Trouble is he's not fit.
    If he can bowl then that's the obvious choice. I don't think he can though which does beg the question why he came out of one day retirement in the first place. 
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,673
    Bedsaddick said:
    blackpool72 said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    I am not sure how England have managed it, but have said before we are a top 6 batsman short and a bowler short. 
    Stokes if fit solves the problem. 
    Trouble is he's not fit.
    If he can bowl then that's the obvious choice. I don't think he can though which does beg the question why he came out of one day retirement in the first place. 
    I said a couple of months ago he should take time off and have his knee sorted. 
    He is so important to England in test matches that continuing to pick him for all formats and delaying the op on his knee is madness. 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Addick Addict said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    I am not sure how England have managed it, but have said before we are a top 6 batsman short and a bowler short. 
    The issue is that, unlike most of the top teams, we don't have five bowlers that we can rely on to bowl 10 overs if required to do so (we had two today that went for 87 off 8 overs between them) and a Stokes as that sixth bowler if required.  
    Addick Addict said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    I am not sure how England have managed it, but have said before we are a top 6 batsman short and a bowler short. 
    The issue is that, unlike most of the top teams, we don't have five bowlers that we can rely on to bowl 10 overs if required to do so (we had two today that went for 87 off 8 overs between them) and a Stokes as that sixth bowler if required.  
    You wouldn't expect that from Woakes before the tournament though would you?  We are asking Livingstone and Curran to bowl 10 between them and bat at 6 and 7, regardless of pitch and match conditions. 

    We would probably get away with it if it was T20.

    The balance of the team is wrong and it was wrong before the wheels fell of our most consistent white ball bowler.  Looking at the make up of the squad he was the one they expected to always play.
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  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764
    Woakes survives an lbw dismissal after requesting a review. Missing leg stump.
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,737
    Woakes survives but it's only putting off the inevitable . He'll be out with three overs
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764
    edited October 2023
    Callumcafc said:
    Woakes survives an lbw dismissal after requesting a review. Missing leg stump.
    Bowled four balls later
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,737
    Bedsaddick said:
    Woakes survives but it's only putting off the inevitable . He'll be out with three overs
    There you go. Shock horror
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,673
    Woakes and Curran having their own personal battle to be mug of the match.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,783
    Woakes plays all round one 

    160-7
  • billysboots
    billysboots Posts: 1,596

    If they are bringing back Stokes for the SA game who does he replace ? 
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,737
    The run rate is getting out of hand as well now as well as the wickets falling. Brook needs to go full on - might as well lose trying to smash the ball over the boundery instead of scoring five an over . 
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,737
    edited October 2023
    Shite . We might as well come home now .
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764
    Brook gone

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