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The 2023 ICC Men's Cricket World Cup
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Fanny Fanackapan said:Every member of the ECB should fall on his/her sword after this pathetic performance, which was always on the cards.
A complete overhaul of cricket in England is required and it's time they took their heads out of the sand where they're currently but unsuccessfully trying to hide.
Resign now if you want to retain one iota of respect.
Fanny has spoken !
Sorry didn’t see any of the ECB playing in the team today.We had enough highly paid , talented players in that side to beat Afganistan.Perhaps it’s time the players take some responsibility for their performances ?1 -
No need to apologise, bb !
Don't disagree with your finger pointing at the players.
But IMO, and I know very little compared with the likes of AA, I'd question how much responsibility those ECB members should take for the manner in which a) They have allowed the The Hundred (spit) to effectively lure players away from a perfectly decent county competition - with their means of remembering how to play a 50 over match suffering.
And b) Whilst I have minimal issues with players "chasing the cash", surely there should be rules in place to restrict the number of overseas cricket competitions they may participate in each season if they wish to be considered for England "honours".
Yes, I admit he's not one of my favourites, but Jason Roy would appear to be a prime example of the laxity of the current rules, if they actually exist.
Feel free to disagree, or indeed, ignore, but loyalty to one's country should be earned, NOT expected.6 -
And what was that (washed-out) mini series against Ireland all.about ?? Hardly any of the players are in India so it wasn't a "warm" up was it. Only meaningful 50 over match this squad have played recently was the thrashing we had against NZ before the Ireland games.
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When we won in 2019 we prepared for that competition specifically to do just that. I'm reading that good players should be able to adapt but, as I keep saying, T20s and ODIs are totally different in terms of tempo, power plays, use of bowlers etc etc. But, even if one is prepared to accept that it should be easy to switch from one code to another, why did we bother to prepare by having more ODIs and allowing players to play in the Royal Insurance in 2019? The benefits of that preparation is twofold - one to get players used to, once again in some cases, playing ODIs but also to establish both the best squad and starting XI.
Below are the stats for how many ODIs in the last year the starting XI of the best team in the tournament, India, have played, compared to us, always remembering that they have had to fit those in around the best and longest T20 domestic tournament too:
Sharma/Bairstow - 18/3 (+15)
Gill/Malan - 21/9 (+12)
Kohli/Root - 19/4 (+15)
Iyer/Brook - 14/6 (+8)
Rahul/Buttler - 16/10 (+6)
Pandya/Livingstone - 16/4 (+12)
Jadeja/Curran - 15/10 (+5)
Thakur/Woakes - 12/8 (+4)
Yadav/Rashid - 18/8 (+10)
Bumrah/Wood - 6/2 (+4)
Siraj/Topley - 17/6 (+11)
We had two routes available to us to prepare - internationals and our very own domestic tournament. We shunned both of them and as a result, going into the tournament we didn't have a clue as to what our best XI was. And those players were horribly undercooked too. Now we might get lucky and win enough games to get through and the more games we play, in theory, the better we should get but I fear that the damage has already been done.
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Can't argue with that, AA.0
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Wonder how many times it has happened that we have played the same country in two different World Cups on the same day - next Saturday we face South Africa in both the cricket and rugby.2
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You mean the thrashing by New Zealand in the series we won 3-1? Winning the last 3 games by a combined 360 runs?golfaddick said:And what was that (washed-out) mini series against Ireland all.about ?? Hardly any of the players are in India so it wasn't a "warm" up was it. Only meaningful 50 over match this squad have played recently was the thrashing we had against NZ before the Ireland games.
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Maybe we should send this team home and pick the best 11 players from this season's Metro Bank One Day Cup. Or how about a rule if you play in the Hundred, you can't play for England in the 50-over side. Yes, I know I am over-reacting, but it was an appalling result.4
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The thing that puzzles me is that our batting has been so timid, when the Test team has gone Bazball.
With the batting the mental approach seems too cautious, whereas with the seam bowling, it just isn't effective enough in Indian conditions.0 -
Seems like a lot of teams are finding it hard to kick on after solid starts.
is it that the pitches are getting more bowler friendly as each innings progresses ?0 - Sponsored links:
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This has been an exhibition of terrible batting tbf0
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SL 157-1 to 209 all out. Not the first time that we've seen that.0
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Australia win by 5 wickets with 14.4 overs to spare. Not the best result for us.0
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Aussie Josh Inglis, one that got away .. :Leeds born, a 'new Ocker'0
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It's been raining on and off in Dharamsala and the covers are back on again. South Africa won the toss and have elected to bowl. If and when they get on.
A rained off game would, actually, be a good result for us since it would mean, assuming we get to play all our remaining matches, we can't lose out on NRR as we probably would have done had we both won the same amount of matches.0 -
Now, I am going to make a suggestion, in order to address this issue of balance, one to give us enough bowlers and two to accommodate both Brook and Stokes, that is very left field. It won't happen because it is too radical for the England selectors and too open to criticism if it fails. Though there are some logical reasons for doing so. And that is to open the batting with Willey and drop Bairstow.
Bairstow's scores in ODIs in the series against NZ, warm up game against Bangladesh and WC to date have been - 6, 0, 13, 34, 33, 52 & 2. That's 140 in 7 innings at an average of 20. But there is one other issue and that is his movement in the field. He really does not look like he has fully recovered from that serious injury sustained playing golf.
So why Willey? Well I thought of Moeen but that doesn't help if we want to lengthen the tail AND give us the choice between playing the extra seamer/spinner. Willey has opened in domestic and franchise T20s and he also opened for England against the Australian President's XI in a warm up T20 match when he scored 79 off 36 balls including 34 off one over from Nathan Lyon! His average in ODIs is 25.43 with a S/R of 93.45. We would not be asking him to bat like an orthodox batsman - we have Malan and Root to do that. We would be asking him to get as many runs as he could in that initial 10 over P/P - our scores have been 51-1 (NZ), 61-0 (Bangladesh) and 52-2 (Afghanistan) so we've done OK but nothing particularly special. Let's remember that Afghanistan, by comparison, were 79-0 at that stage.
This is what the team would look like:
Malan
Willey
Root
Brook
Buttler
Stokes
Livingstone
Moeen/Curran
Rashid
Wood
Topley
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Game has started. 43 overs per side.0
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A great recovery from the Netherlands to finish on a very creditable 245-8 off their 43 overs thanks to a brilliantly inventive and gutsy 78* (69) from Edwards, a belligerent 29 (19) from Van der Merwe, a quickfire 23 (9) from Dutt, no less than 32 generous extras and not to mention some unbelievably sloppy fielding too.
A fun fact - in each of their three WC matches, South Africa have utilised just five bowlers and in each of those games all five bowlers have taken at least one wicket. Today they were as collectively solid for the first three quarters of the innings as they were poor for the final quarter.0 -
That was absolutely brilliant, the best viewing of the WC so far. Bet none of you had faith lol0
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Oh my word! The Saffers have started with the bat in the same vein as they finished with the ball
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Make that 44-4!!!0
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The Netherlands were 80 at one point on Betfair. They are 1.52 now!0
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Come on Netherlands0
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109-6 off 25. Long way home for SA now and they will be wholly reliant on Miller to take them there. At the same stage the Netherlands were 103-5 but then they had that unbelievable finish to their innings.0
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Start the car! Miller's out
145-7 off 31
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147-80
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166-9 off 35.10
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Wow, wasn't expecting that result.0
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207 all out. The Netherlands win by 38 runs. A fantastic result for them, even more so as it's the first time that they have beaten a Test playing nation and a very good one for us too. The two wounded animals meet on Saturday!2
