What is it with people who on the face of it look like normal folks with normal lives - doing such a poisonous flithy thing at a football match? I honestly thought it would be a photoshop or similar..... simply because I couldn't compute how someone would want to do such a thing.
I still can't compute it.
Wonder what their families think of them?
So called ‘normal’ people (there is no such thing, we’re all fuckiing mad but deal with it differently) act up like complete bellends at football , almost playing to the crowd , oooh look at me I’m funny or at the scum oooh look at me I can bounce and be hard … cnuts basically
Us ‘scum’ did this when we played Sunderland…
The fella on the left I’ve known for years but do have him in my contacts as ‘scumbag’.
Of course it was a terrible thing to do but can we say we don't have any fans who wouldn't do similar? It only needs one or two. Sheff Wednesday fans can't be judged on those scumbags. All they represent are fellow scumbags who are all around us.
A fundraiser for the Bradley Lowery Foundation set up by a Sheffield Wednesday supporter following a fan's sick taunt mocking the death of the football-mad child has surpassed £18,500. From Sky
Section 4A of the public order act is the offence of intentionally causing harassment, alarm or distress by your words or actions. Think that fits the bill pretty well with what he did.
So are the police selective about this public order offence? For years Man u fans have sung , chanted about Hillsborough. Youngsters were crushed to death, to my knowledge no ones never been arrested. If we are going to start handing out prison sentences for public order offences I hope its across the board.
This was brazen though. Unrealistic to expect the police to arrest or apprehend a few hundred arseholes but these two were signed sealed and delivered. They deserve to feel the full force of the law and of public disgust. Dreadful human beings.
Section 4A of the public order act is the offence of intentionally causing harassment, alarm or distress by your words or actions. Think that fits the bill pretty well with what he did.
So are the police selective about this public order offence? For years Man u fans have sung , chanted about Hillsborough. Youngsters were crushed to death, to my knowledge no ones never been arrested. If we are going to start handing out prison sentences for public order offences I hope its across the board.
This was brazen though. Unrealistic to expect the police to arrest or apprehend a few hundred arseholes but these two were signed sealed and delivered. They deserve to feel the full force of the law and of public disgust. Dreadful human beings.
Liverpool fans have always sung about Munich. I remember when we played Liverpool in the cup years ago, just after Paisley had died, our support sung songs about his death and that they would rather be "Asian" than Scouse. All support bases have scumbags, finger pointing about what has always happened doesn't help, going forward it has to be stopped.
This is utterly disgusting and deplorable. I understand the arrest of the scumbag with the phone, but what did the other guy get arrested for, laughing? (which is extremely bad taste, but illegal ?)
Yeah i did wonder that at the time. Obviously the guy is a total prick but he could argue he was laughing at something totally different, there's no way they'd prove anything in court. Not really a surprise that he was released.
Personally don't think it should be a legal issue. It was in terrible taste, but it was meant as 'banter'. Obviously I don't condone it. But where does the line get drawn? Does the same apply to people doing aeroplane hands against Man U, but only if it's shared on social media?
What happens to these people after losing their jobs? Should they be exiled from having a career and need to live off the state or turn to crime?
All from doing something in very poor taste to wind some other fans up. If something is sung by a whole bunch of people in similar poor taste, they'd get away with it. And where is the line? Taking the piss out of a dead kid is pretty much the lowest it can get, but how many rungs up the poor taste ladder will get the same treatment? Who is the arbiter of what is a joke in bad taste and what is a criminal offense?
Personally don't think it should be a legal issue. It was in terrible taste, but it was meant as 'banter'. Obviously I don't condone it. But where does the line get drawn? Does the same apply to people doing aeroplane hands against Man U, but only if it's shared on social media?
What happens to these people after losing their jobs? Should they be exiled from having a career and need to live off the state or turn to crime?
All from doing something in very poor taste to wind some other fans up. If something is sung by a whole bunch of people in similar poor taste, they'd get away with it. And where is the line? Taking the piss out of a dead kid is pretty much the lowest it can get, but how many rungs up the poor taste ladder will get the same treatment? Who is the arbiter of what is a joke in bad taste and what is a criminal offense?
Personally don't think it should be a legal issue. It was in terrible taste, but it was meant as 'banter'. Obviously I don't condone it. But where does the line get drawn? Does the same apply to people doing aeroplane hands against Man U, but only if it's shared on social media?
What happens to these people after losing their jobs? Should they be exiled from having a career and need to live off the state or turn to crime?
All from doing something in very poor taste to wind some other fans up. If something is sung by a whole bunch of people in similar poor taste, they'd get away with it. And where is the line? Taking the piss out of a dead kid is pretty much the lowest it can get, but how many rungs up the poor taste ladder will get the same treatment? Who is the arbiter of what is a joke in bad taste and what is a criminal offense?
Initially the police and ultimately the courts. I think this fits the bill perfectly for criminal proceedings. As for even the suggestion it’s banter is almost as disgusting.
Personally don't think it should be a legal issue. It was in terrible taste, but it was meant as 'banter'. Obviously I don't condone it. But where does the line get drawn? Does the same apply to people doing aeroplane hands against Man U, but only if it's shared on social media?
What happens to these people after losing their jobs? Should they be exiled from having a career and need to live off the state or turn to crime?
All from doing something in very poor taste to wind some other fans up. If something is sung by a whole bunch of people in similar poor taste, they'd get away with it. And where is the line? Taking the piss out of a dead kid is pretty much the lowest it can get, but how many rungs up the poor taste ladder will get the same treatment? Who is the arbiter of what is a joke in bad taste and what is a criminal offense?
Initially the police and ultimately the courts. I think this fits the bill perfectly for criminal proceedings. As for even the suggestion it’s banter is almost as disgusting.
Pathetic that you've even suggested that my post is almost as disgusting as the act. Absolutely pathetic. I can't imagine how you get through life.
Personally don't think it should be a legal issue. It was in terrible taste, but it was meant as 'banter'. Obviously I don't condone it. But where does the line get drawn? Does the same apply to people doing aeroplane hands against Man U, but only if it's shared on social media?
What happens to these people after losing their jobs? Should they be exiled from having a career and need to live off the state or turn to crime?
All from doing something in very poor taste to wind some other fans up. If something is sung by a whole bunch of people in similar poor taste, they'd get away with it. And where is the line? Taking the piss out of a dead kid is pretty much the lowest it can get, but how many rungs up the poor taste ladder will get the same treatment? Who is the arbiter of what is a joke in bad taste and what is a criminal offense?
Initially the police and ultimately the courts. I think this fits the bill perfectly for criminal proceedings. As for even the suggestion it’s banter is almost as disgusting.
Across the board though. Plymouth fans taunting Jay stansfield whose dad died of cancer. Derby fan on twitter abusing Billy sharp about death of his baby son. Surely if we go down the route of jailing people for vile abuse the above that I mentioned should of been jailed.
Personally don't think it should be a legal issue. It was in terrible taste, but it was meant as 'banter'. Obviously I don't condone it. But where does the line get drawn? Does the same apply to people doing aeroplane hands against Man U, but only if it's shared on social media?
What happens to these people after losing their jobs? Should they be exiled from having a career and need to live off the state or turn to crime?
All from doing something in very poor taste to wind some other fans up. If something is sung by a whole bunch of people in similar poor taste, they'd get away with it. And where is the line? Taking the piss out of a dead kid is pretty much the lowest it can get, but how many rungs up the poor taste ladder will get the same treatment? Who is the arbiter of what is a joke in bad taste and what is a criminal offense?
Initially the police and ultimately the courts. I think this fits the bill perfectly for criminal proceedings. As for even the suggestion it’s banter is almost as disgusting.
Across the board though. Plymouth fans taunting Jay stansfield whose dad died of cancer. Derby fan on twitter abusing Billy sharp about death of his baby son. Surely if we go down the route of jailing people for vile abuse the above that I mentioned should of been jailed.
Paul Nixon was the Palace fan who was runover by a bus in 1995 and I remember for a few years after Charlton fans (not many) would sing "wheels on the bus" when we played Palace which was.pretty disgusting.
Personally don't think it should be a legal issue. It was in terrible taste, but it was meant as 'banter'. Obviously I don't condone it. But where does the line get drawn? Does the same apply to people doing aeroplane hands against Man U, but only if it's shared on social media?
What happens to these people after losing their jobs? Should they be exiled from having a career and need to live off the state or turn to crime?
All from doing something in very poor taste to wind some other fans up. If something is sung by a whole bunch of people in similar poor taste, they'd get away with it. And where is the line? Taking the piss out of a dead kid is pretty much the lowest it can get, but how many rungs up the poor taste ladder will get the same treatment? Who is the arbiter of what is a joke in bad taste and what is a criminal offense?
Initially the police and ultimately the courts. I think this fits the bill perfectly for criminal proceedings. As for even the suggestion it’s banter is almost as disgusting.
Across the board though. Plymouth fans taunting Jay stansfield whose dad died of cancer. Derby fan on twitter abusing Billy sharp about death of his baby son. Surely if we go down the route of jailing people for vile abuse the above that I mentioned should of been jailed.
"Other people do it so I shouldn't be charged" isn't a defence in law.
If I'm caught speeding then i was speeding so i face the punishment set out by the courts. I can't, rightly, argue that I saw someone else speeding the same day so I can't be prosecuted unless they are too.
The answer is, IMHO, all those other people you mentioned should have been sanctioned by the club's and/or the law as well.
That they weren't isn't relevant to this case. Not necessarily jail but there are other punishments available to the courts.
The wider issue is that tradegy abuse, like racism, sexism and homophobia shouldn't be seen as OK so if this guy and others get bans and fines then I have no problem with that.
Maybe it will make a few people making stabbing guestures to Leeds fans, singing about Munich etc etc think again.
Education and hard work thankfully have seen a huge reduction in the racist chanting heard at most grounds decades ago, although it still happens in more isolated cases and online.
Well done the other Sheff Weds fans for doing something positive by raising the money they did showing that they didn't think what he did was acceptable or just "banter" to be dismissed.
It was other Charlton fans who stopped the singing of the "Wheels on the bus" song and it will be other fans and the clubs who'll ultimately stamp these things out but with help from the police and courts as a final sanction.
I think Henry has the right point. You could maybe argue that more could/should have been done with other instances but that doesn't mean less should be done now - two wrongs not making a right etc etc.
And frankly, apart from being a scumbag the guy in question here deserves some sort of payback for his pure stupidity. Literally standing in a well lit space clearly visible and identifiable waving damning evidence around - in this day and age that's just plain moronic.
The recent Bouncing man Millwall video had a "fan" explicitly doing the stabbing motion to Leed's fans whilst pointing out it was two that were stabbed to death.
Sheffield Wednesday had a twat laughing at the death of a child from cancer.
Why is one prosecuted and not the other? They are the same offence exposed on social media.
Should Leed's fans now be highlighting the Millwall incident and looking to secure an arrest?
I don't know the answer but interested in views...
Personally don't think it should be a legal issue. It was in terrible taste, but it was meant as 'banter'. Obviously I don't condone it. But where does the line get drawn? Does the same apply to people doing aeroplane hands against Man U, but only if it's shared on social media?
What happens to these people after losing their jobs? Should they be exiled from having a career and need to live off the state or turn to crime?
All from doing something in very poor taste to wind some other fans up. If something is sung by a whole bunch of people in similar poor taste, they'd get away with it. And where is the line? Taking the piss out of a dead kid is pretty much the lowest it can get, but how many rungs up the poor taste ladder will get the same treatment? Who is the arbiter of what is a joke in bad taste and what is a criminal offense?
Initially the police and ultimately the courts. I think this fits the bill perfectly for criminal proceedings. As for even the suggestion it’s banter is almost as disgusting.
Pathetic that you've even suggested that my post is almost as disgusting as the act. Absolutely pathetic. I can't imagine how you get through life.
The fact you think this was and I quote “meant as banter” is enough for me to call you out on it. Take a look in the mirror pal.
Personally don't think it should be a legal issue. It was in terrible taste, but it was meant as 'banter'. Obviously I don't condone it. But where does the line get drawn? Does the same apply to people doing aeroplane hands against Man U, but only if it's shared on social media?
What happens to these people after losing their jobs? Should they be exiled from having a career and need to live off the state or turn to crime?
All from doing something in very poor taste to wind some other fans up. If something is sung by a whole bunch of people in similar poor taste, they'd get away with it. And where is the line? Taking the piss out of a dead kid is pretty much the lowest it can get, but how many rungs up the poor taste ladder will get the same treatment? Who is the arbiter of what is a joke in bad taste and what is a criminal offense?
Initially the police and ultimately the courts. I think this fits the bill perfectly for criminal proceedings. As for even the suggestion it’s banter is almost as disgusting.
Across the board though. Plymouth fans taunting Jay stansfield whose dad died of cancer. Derby fan on twitter abusing Billy sharp about death of his baby son. Surely if we go down the route of jailing people for vile abuse the above that I mentioned should of been jailed.
Paul Nixon was the Palace fan who was runover by a bus in 1995 and I remember for a few years after Charlton fans (not many) would sing "wheels on the bus" when we played Palace which was.pretty disgusting.
Shit, I didn't realise that! I just thought it was a song sung to wind them up.
It is all about standards. Some fans, from all clubs, don't think these apply to them. Especially after they have had a few drinks. It gets more depressing the more you think about it.
Personally don't think it should be a legal issue. It was in terrible taste, but it was meant as 'banter'. Obviously I don't condone it. But where does the line get drawn? Does the same apply to people doing aeroplane hands against Man U, but only if it's shared on social media?
What happens to these people after losing their jobs? Should they be exiled from having a career and need to live off the state or turn to crime?
All from doing something in very poor taste to wind some other fans up. If something is sung by a whole bunch of people in similar poor taste, they'd get away with it. And where is the line? Taking the piss out of a dead kid is pretty much the lowest it can get, but how many rungs up the poor taste ladder will get the same treatment? Who is the arbiter of what is a joke in bad taste and what is a criminal offense?
Initially the police and ultimately the courts. I think this fits the bill perfectly for criminal proceedings. As for even the suggestion it’s banter is almost as disgusting.
Across the board though. Plymouth fans taunting Jay stansfield whose dad died of cancer. Derby fan on twitter abusing Billy sharp about death of his baby son. Surely if we go down the route of jailing people for vile abuse the above that I mentioned should of been jailed.
Paul Nixon was the Palace fan who was runover by a bus in 1995 and I remember for a few years after Charlton fans (not many) would sing "wheels on the bus" when we played Palace which was.pretty disgusting.
Shit, I didn't realise that! I just thought it was a song sung to wind them up.
Did the ending of that song "over the Palace b*stard" not give it away a bit?
Personally don't think it should be a legal issue. It was in terrible taste, but it was meant as 'banter'. Obviously I don't condone it. But where does the line get drawn? Does the same apply to people doing aeroplane hands against Man U, but only if it's shared on social media?
What happens to these people after losing their jobs? Should they be exiled from having a career and need to live off the state or turn to crime?
All from doing something in very poor taste to wind some other fans up. If something is sung by a whole bunch of people in similar poor taste, they'd get away with it. And where is the line? Taking the piss out of a dead kid is pretty much the lowest it can get, but how many rungs up the poor taste ladder will get the same treatment? Who is the arbiter of what is a joke in bad taste and what is a criminal offense?
Initially the police and ultimately the courts. I think this fits the bill perfectly for criminal proceedings. As for even the suggestion it’s banter is almost as disgusting.
Across the board though. Plymouth fans taunting Jay stansfield whose dad died of cancer. Derby fan on twitter abusing Billy sharp about death of his baby son. Surely if we go down the route of jailing people for vile abuse the above that I mentioned should of been jailed.
Paul Nixon was the Palace fan who was runover by a bus in 1995 and I remember for a few years after Charlton fans (not many) would sing "wheels on the bus" when we played Palace which was.pretty disgusting.
Shit, I didn't realise that! I just thought it was a song sung to wind them up.
yeah its because they started singing Thomas the Tank engine and we retaliated with a bus song. (couldn't think of a tram song at the time)
Personally don't think it should be a legal issue. It was in terrible taste, but it was meant as 'banter'. Obviously I don't condone it. But where does the line get drawn? Does the same apply to people doing aeroplane hands against Man U, but only if it's shared on social media?
What happens to these people after losing their jobs? Should they be exiled from having a career and need to live off the state or turn to crime?
All from doing something in very poor taste to wind some other fans up. If something is sung by a whole bunch of people in similar poor taste, they'd get away with it. And where is the line? Taking the piss out of a dead kid is pretty much the lowest it can get, but how many rungs up the poor taste ladder will get the same treatment? Who is the arbiter of what is a joke in bad taste and what is a criminal offense?
Initially the police and ultimately the courts. I think this fits the bill perfectly for criminal proceedings. As for even the suggestion its banter is almost as disgusting.
Almost as disgusting? FFS, bit of perspective.
I think Balham raises some good points, there is a fine line between being a prick, winding others up and a public order offence. At the same time, it’s important to make an example of people like this when they do get caught to act as a deterrent.
Social media was going to ruin this guys life anyway even if he wasn’t arrested. His name, address and local boozer were available within a few hours.
The recent Bouncing man Millwall video had a "fan" explicitly doing the stabbing motion to Leed's fans whilst pointing out it was two that were stabbed to death.
Sheffield Wednesday had a twat laughing at the death of a child from cancer.
Why is one prosecuted and not the other? They are the same offence exposed on social
Should Leed's fans now be highlighting the Millwall incident and looking to secure an arrest?
I don't know the answer but interested in views...
Personally don't think it should be a legal issue. It was in terrible taste, but it was meant as 'banter'. Obviously I don't condone it. But where does the line get drawn? Does the same apply to people doing aeroplane hands against Man U, but only if it's shared on social media?
What happens to these people after losing their jobs? Should they be exiled from having a career and need to live off the state or turn to crime?
All from doing something in very poor taste to wind some other fans up. If something is sung by a whole bunch of people in similar poor taste, they'd get away with it. And where is the line? Taking the piss out of a dead kid is pretty much the lowest it can get, but how many rungs up the poor taste ladder will get the same treatment? Who is the arbiter of what is a joke in bad taste and what is a criminal offense?
Initially the police and ultimately the courts. I think this fits the bill perfectly for criminal proceedings. As for even the suggestion it’s banter is almost as disgusting.
Across the board though. Plymouth fans taunting Jay stansfield whose dad died of cancer. Derby fan on twitter abusing Billy sharp about death of his baby son. Surely if we go down the route of jailing people for vile abuse the above that I mentioned should of been jailed.
Paul Nixon was the Palace fan who was runover by a bus in 1995 and I remember for a few years after Charlton fans (not many) would sing "wheels on the bus" when we played Palace which was.pretty disgusting.
Shit, I didn't realise that! I just thought it was a song sung to wind them up.
Did the ending of that song "over the Palace b*stard" not give it away a bit?
I knew it was about palace 😂 but wasn't aware of the origins. I just thought it was poor 90's humour in taking a nursery song and making it anti palace. I have never heard the individual supporter link before
The recent Bouncing man Millwall video had a "fan" explicitly doing the stabbing motion to Leed's fans whilst pointing out it was two that were stabbed to death.
Sheffield Wednesday had a twat laughing at the death of a child from cancer.
Why is one prosecuted and not the other? They are the same offence exposed on social
Should Leed's fans now be highlighting the Millwall incident and looking to secure an arrest?
I don't know the answer but interested in views...
Because not all offences are prosecuted.
I appreciate that - I'm assuming a complaint was made about the Sheff Wed incident, but assuming not the Leeds incident.
If a complaint were made against the Millwall "stabber", should they be identified and prosecuted?
Personally don't think it should be a legal issue. It was in terrible taste, but it was meant as 'banter'. Obviously I don't condone it. But where does the line get drawn? Does the same apply to people doing aeroplane hands against Man U, but only if it's shared on social media?
What happens to these people after losing their jobs? Should they be exiled from having a career and need to live off the state or turn to crime?
All from doing something in very poor taste to wind some other fans up. If something is sung by a whole bunch of people in similar poor taste, they'd get away with it. And where is the line? Taking the piss out of a dead kid is pretty much the lowest it can get, but how many rungs up the poor taste ladder will get the same treatment? Who is the arbiter of what is a joke in bad taste and what is a criminal offense?
Initially the police and ultimately the courts. I think this fits the bill perfectly for criminal proceedings. As for even the suggestion it’s banter is almost as disgusting.
Across the board though. Plymouth fans taunting Jay stansfield whose dad died of cancer. Derby fan on twitter abusing Billy sharp about death of his baby son. Surely if we go down the route of jailing people for vile abuse the above that I mentioned should of been jailed.
Paul Nixon was the Palace fan who was runover by a bus in 1995 and I remember for a few years after Charlton fans (not many) would sing "wheels on the bus" when we played Palace which was.pretty disgusting.
Shit, I didn't realise that! I just thought it was a song sung to wind them up.
Did the ending of that song "over the Palace b*stard" not give it away a bit?
I knew it was about palace 😂 but wasn't aware of the origins. I just thought it was poor 90's humour in taking a nursery song and making it anti palace. I have never heard the individual supporter link before
You are not the only one. I wasn't aware of it either, I thought it was just a kids song rehashed and aimed at them and just in bad taste. I never sung it myself because I just thought it purile and in bad taste but knowing what I know now then that was absolutely disgusting.
Section 4A of the public order act is the offence of intentionally causing harassment, alarm or distress by your words or actions. Think that fits the bill pretty well with what he did.
So are the police selective about this public order offence? For years Man u fans have sung , chanted about Hillsborough. Youngsters were crushed to death, to my knowledge no ones never been arrested. If we are going to start handing out prison sentences for public order offences I hope its across the board.
This was brazen though. Unrealistic to expect the police to arrest or apprehend a few hundred arseholes but these two were signed sealed and delivered. They deserve to feel the full force of the law and of public disgust. Dreadful human beings.
Liverpool fans have always sung about Munich. I remember when we played Liverpool in the cup years ago, just after Paisley had died, our support sung songs about his death and that they would rather be "Asian" than Scouse. All support bases have scumbags, finger pointing about what has always happened doesn't help, going forward it has to be stopped.
First game of the season home to Liverpool at Selhurst park back in the eighties. We had a minute silence for Stuart Leary and through it Liverpool fans sang ‘who the fucking he’ll is he ‘ Classy scousers.
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What happens to these people after losing their jobs? Should they be exiled from having a career and need to live off the state or turn to crime?
All from doing something in very poor taste to wind some other fans up.
If something is sung by a whole bunch of people in similar poor taste, they'd get away with it.
And where is the line? Taking the piss out of a dead kid is pretty much the lowest it can get, but how many rungs up the poor taste ladder will get the same treatment? Who is the arbiter of what is a joke in bad taste and what is a criminal offense?
Plymouth fans taunting Jay stansfield whose dad died of cancer.
Derby fan on twitter abusing Billy sharp about death of his baby son.
Surely if we go down the route of jailing people for vile abuse the above that I mentioned should of been jailed.
Paul Nixon was the Palace fan who was runover by a bus in 1995 and I remember for a few years after Charlton fans (not many) would sing "wheels on the bus" when we played Palace which was.pretty disgusting.
If I'm caught speeding then i was speeding so i face the punishment set out by the courts. I can't, rightly, argue that I saw someone else speeding the same day so I can't be prosecuted unless they are too.
The answer is, IMHO, all those other people you mentioned should have been sanctioned by the club's and/or the law as well.
That they weren't isn't relevant to this case. Not necessarily jail but there are other punishments available to the courts.
The wider issue is that tradegy abuse, like racism, sexism and homophobia shouldn't be seen as OK so if this guy and others get bans and fines then I have no problem with that.
Maybe it will make a few people making stabbing guestures to Leeds fans, singing about Munich etc etc think again.
Education and hard work thankfully have seen a huge reduction in the racist chanting heard at most grounds decades ago, although it still happens in more isolated cases and online.
Well done the other Sheff Weds fans for doing something positive by raising the money they did showing that they didn't think what he did was acceptable or just "banter" to be dismissed.
It was other Charlton fans who stopped the singing of the "Wheels on the bus" song and it will be other fans and the clubs who'll ultimately stamp these things out but with help from the police and courts as a final sanction.
And frankly, apart from being a scumbag the guy in question here deserves some sort of payback for his pure stupidity. Literally standing in a well lit space clearly visible and identifiable waving damning evidence around - in this day and age that's just plain moronic.
Sheffield Wednesday had a twat laughing at the death of a child from cancer.
Why is one prosecuted and not the other? They are the same offence exposed on social media.
Should Leed's fans now be highlighting the Millwall incident and looking to secure an arrest?
I don't know the answer but interested in views...
I appreciate that - I'm assuming a complaint was made about the Sheff Wed incident, but assuming not the Leeds incident.
If a complaint were made against the Millwall "stabber", should they be identified and prosecuted?