They're saying Kane kicked the keeper, not that the keeper tripped Kane. Don't know if I agree but that's the rationale.
VAR didn't even check it did they?
They will have had a look and decided no need for a full process.
"they will have a look"
play didn't stop and the ref didn't signal for any check at all did he?
VAR is watching the game and will let the ref know if a check is required. It's not the referee who engages VAR and asks them to have a look.
Play did stop, for almost a minute. It restarted because VAR didn't think there was a clear and obvious error not to award a penalty (and it can't intervene on yellow cards).
you think that was the correct decsion then? just wondering
Think it could've gone either way. I'd have been pissed off if it was given against us but would've begrudging admitted that the strike was clever to initiate contact and win the penalty.
If the pen was given, I don't think the VAR intervenes either btw.
is it a booking then? The ref had the option to stop play and view it back to make that decision - he immediately brandished a yellow for simulation he didn't give VAR enough time to say it was a dive did he
Just two shots (Malta have had one more) and not one on target from us. We have been so slow and predictable. It's almost as if we are scared to pick the pace up in case we give the ball away. There again, our touch and ability to play simple passes at times has really deserted us so perhaps that is the reason why. The likes of Guardiola, Klopp and De Zerbi would be doing their nut had their sides put in a first half performance like that against an opposition so inferior to their respective teams.
Just two shots (Malta have had one more) and not one on target from us. We have been so slow and predictable. It's almost as if we are scared to pick the pace up in case we give the ball away. There again, our touch and ability to play simple passes at times has really deserted us so perhaps that is the reason why. The likes of Guardiola, Klopp and De Zerbi would be doing their nut had their sides put in a first half performance like that against an opposition so inferior to their respective teams.
Why would Southgate not be unhappy with it? He’s shown his disapproval at performances before.
for clarity Callum, what i'm saying is the ref didn't give VAR time to tell him anything about what happened, he made his mind up straight away that it was simulation.
Just two shots (Malta have had one more) and not one on target from us. We have been so slow and predictable. It's almost as if we are scared to pick the pace up in case we give the ball away. There again, our touch and ability to play simple passes at times has really deserted us so perhaps that is the reason why. The likes of Guardiola, Klopp and De Zerbi would be doing their nut had their sides put in a first half performance like that against an opposition so inferior to their respective teams.
Why would Southgate not be unhappy with it? He’s shown his disapproval at performances before.
He might well be unhappy with it too. But all of those managers I've mentioned show their disapproval from the side and galvanise their teams. He has also picked this team and set them up. You, yourself, rightly said that it looked like we were going to play a 3-4-3 but, instead, we are playing a back four with Tomori at left back and TAA in midfield. That, to me, would have been a better usage of the players that he's picked.
for clarity Callum, what i'm saying is the ref didn't give VAR time to tell him anything about what happened, he made his mind up straight away that it was simulation.
Yeah I agree with you on that and the ref could've done better because I think the yellow was harsh. But I don't think VAR was wrong to let it go, remembering that they have no authority to overturn yellow cards.
It was shit and totally deserves to be highlighted. But Southgate will see it, the players will hear about it and this is a different England side. Guehi and Tomori are decent defenders but they ain’t quick enough on the ball. He’s tried something, it ain’t worked, we improve for it.
Just two shots (Malta have had one more) and not one on target from us. We have been so slow and predictable. It's almost as if we are scared to pick the pace up in case we give the ball away. There again, our touch and ability to play simple passes at times has really deserted us so perhaps that is the reason why. The likes of Guardiola, Klopp and De Zerbi would be doing their nut had their sides put in a first half performance like that against an opposition so inferior to their respective teams.
Why would Southgate not be unhappy with it? He’s shown his disapproval at performances before.
He might well be unhappy with it too. But all of those managers I've mentioned show their disapproval from the side and galvanise their teams. He has also picked this team and set them up. You, yourself, rightly said that it looked like we were going to play a 3-4-3 but, instead, we are playing a back four with Tomori at left back and TAA in midfield. That, to me, would have been a better usage of the players that he's picked.
Yep and it ain’t worked for reasons I highlighted above. But it’s something he tried. You got two world class midfielders missing and a 3 instead of a 4 at the back against a team that sits back. It’s trial and error no more. It ain’t good enough but it’s not the end of the world, which seems to be the rhetoric whenever England play back for 45 minutes.
for clarity Callum, what i'm saying is the ref didn't give VAR time to tell him anything about what happened, he made his mind up straight away that it was simulation.
Yeah I agree with you on that and the ref could've done better because I think the yellow was harsh. But I don't think VAR was wrong to let it go, remembering that they have no authority to overturn yellow cards.
Yeah and that is my entire point - the ref decided he was right. If VAR is there to look at close decisions, then VAR failed here because the ref thought he saw it better and he was wrong, and VAR did not pull him up on that because they couldn't due to stupid rules about yellow cards not effecting games when they clearly do.
what i'm saying is, if VAR deemed this a penalty, or the ref came to the screen to look at it, AFTER the yellow card had been given (prompted by VAR) then deemed it to actually NOT be a dive, and he gave the pen, then the yellow has to be discarded surely?
or does the awarding of a yellow card immediately mean that VAR cannot even check the decision of if it was a penalty or not?
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Bloody Maguire! 😉
England will win by at least 3
Channel 4s coverage and experts are crap.
Yeah I agree with you on that and the ref could've done better because I think the yellow was harsh. But I don't think VAR was wrong to let it go, remembering that they have no authority to overturn yellow cards.
Ended up OK though
or does the awarding of a yellow card immediately mean that VAR cannot even check the decision of if it was a penalty or not?
its a real effort to not turn over at the moment