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castrust
castrust Posts: 527
in General Charlton

CAST has gone back to the drawing board and worked with a small group of supporters to produce three designs for a mural to celebrate the return of the club to The Valley on December 5th 1992 - thirty one years ago today.

If sufficient funds can be raised to commission the mural it will be on the side wall of the shop - on your right as you enter the car park and opposite Valley Central.

We hope that the mural will enable younger supporters and future generations to fully appreciate the extraordinary achievement of the directors and supporters in bringing the club home. The mural will be accompanied by a plaque which will explain the background and direct people to the museum for the full story.

We want as many fans as possible to express an opinion on which design they prefer and to let us know whether they would be prepared to contribute to the funding of the installation of the successful design.

https://www.castrust.org/2023/12/vote-here-on-back-to-the-valley-mural-options/



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  • 19addickted96
    19addickted96 Posts: 475
    3 good designs! 
    Much better than the previously mooted option…

    good to have a throwback to the BTTV posters, would it be worth having a QR code that links to a video/history ?
  • Mendonca In Asdas
    Mendonca In Asdas Posts: 22,655
    Thanks for listening!
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 34,018
    That’s better! 
  • DaveMehmet
    DaveMehmet Posts: 21,609
    Much better idea, option 2 for me 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,897
    DaveMehmet said:
    Much better idea, option 2 for me 
    I voted for that option too. Very appropriate considering the location of the mural, just inside the gates.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,249
    Font is a far too small so lessens the impact but a huge improvement (couldn't be much worse)

    The traffic problem poster could be used almost as it for the current parking problem 




  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,024
    Option 3, the ground & balloons for me.
    Option 1 Alwen/gates a close second.
    Option 2 Sam Bartram a non runner for me as nothing really to do with THE DAY. 
  • tangoflash
    tangoflash Posts: 10,785
    Any chance of posting the pics on here in a larger scale? I can hardly see the bloody things and no way (I can see) of enlarging them.
  • superclive98
    superclive98 Posts: 4,782
    edited December 2023
    Option two (gates) mural, but with the wording from option 3 (balloons).
  • Slartibartfast
    Slartibartfast Posts: 1,120
    Option 2 for me, also put in the comments a request for Banksy to do the artwork :-)

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  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 6,877
    edited December 2023
    Quite a change from the initial design - well done CAST..

    Voted for 1 (Sam Bartram). It shows the Valley in its heyday (40,000 on the east terrace) alongside one of our greatest names. Both are powerful elements of our history - the balloon and the gate images don't give a sense of scale or our longer history. That's relevant because there is now a bigger gap between our return in 1992 to today (31 years) than between Bartram's last game and us leaving in 1985 (29 years)...

    I also think the caption at the bottom misses a lot by focusing on the number of votes in the election. The election was but one part of a long campaign (albeit a significant part). Rather I think a short quote capturing a wider mood would be more appropriate:-

    "Through the actions and ingenuity of our fans, we returned to The Valley on 5th December 2023" (or words to that effect) widens the audience and is more inclusive of all of the actions that ultimately got us back.

    ps Strange to launch a survey on a random Tuesday in December, but I'm sure there a rationale behind it.
  • 19addickted96
    19addickted96 Posts: 475

  • 19addickted96
    19addickted96 Posts: 475
    SporadicAddick said:
    Quite a change from the initial design - well done CAST..

    Voted for 1. It shows the Valley in its heyday (40,000 on the east terrace) alongside one of our greatest names. Both are powerful elements of our history - the balloon and the gate images don't give a sense of scale or our longer history. That's relevant because there is now a bigger gap between our return in 1992 to today (31 years) than between Bartram's last game and us leaving in 1985 (29 years)...

    I also think the caption at the bottom misses a lot by focusing on the number of votes in the election. The election was but one part of a long campaign (albeit a significant part). Rather I think a short quote capturing a wider mood would be more appropriate:-

    "Through the actions and ingenuity of our fans, we returned to The Valley on 5th December 2023" (or words to that effect) widens the audience and is more inclusive of all of the actions that ultimately got us back.

    ps Strange to launch a survey on a random Tuesday in December, but I'm sure there a rationale behind it.
    Random Tuesday in December…?
    5th December is the day we Went Back To The Valley!
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,853
    19addickted96 said:
    SporadicAddick said:
    Quite a change from the initial design - well done CAST..

    Voted for 1. It shows the Valley in its heyday (40,000 on the east terrace) alongside one of our greatest names. Both are powerful elements of our history - the balloon and the gate images don't give a sense of scale or our longer history. That's relevant because there is now a bigger gap between our return in 1992 to today (31 years) than between Bartram's last game and us leaving in 1985 (29 years)...

    I also think the caption at the bottom misses a lot by focusing on the number of votes in the election. The election was but one part of a long campaign (albeit a significant part). Rather I think a short quote capturing a wider mood would be more appropriate:-

    "Through the actions and ingenuity of our fans, we returned to The Valley on 5th December 2023" (or words to that effect) widens the audience and is more inclusive of all of the actions that ultimately got us back.

    ps Strange to launch a survey on a random Tuesday in December, but I'm sure there a rationale behind it.
    Random Tuesday in December…?
    5th December is the day we Went Back To The Valley!
    I think you may have been whooshed there :)
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,024
    SporadicAddick said:
    Quite a change from the initial design - well done CAST..

    Voted for 1 (Sam Bartram). It shows the Valley in its heyday (40,000 on the east terrace) alongside one of our greatest names. Both are powerful elements of our history - the balloon and the gate images don't give a sense of scale or our longer history. That's relevant because there is now a bigger gap between our return in 1992 to today (31 years) than between Bartram's last game and us leaving in 1985 (29 years)...

    I also think the caption at the bottom misses a lot by focusing on the number of votes in the election. The election was but one part of a long campaign (albeit a significant part). Rather I think a short quote capturing a wider mood would be more appropriate:-

    "Through the actions and ingenuity of our fans, we returned to The Valley on 5th December 2023" (or words to that effect) widens the audience and is more inclusive of all of the actions that ultimately got us back.

    ps Strange to launch a survey on a random Tuesday in December, but I'm sure there a rationale behind it.
    Surely you voted for 2 Sam Bartram. 
    1 is Alwen & the gates opening. 
  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 6,877
    Covered End said:
    SporadicAddick said:
    Quite a change from the initial design - well done CAST..

    Voted for 1 (Sam Bartram). It shows the Valley in its heyday (40,000 on the east terrace) alongside one of our greatest names. Both are powerful elements of our history - the balloon and the gate images don't give a sense of scale or our longer history. That's relevant because there is now a bigger gap between our return in 1992 to today (31 years) than between Bartram's last game and us leaving in 1985 (29 years)...

    I also think the caption at the bottom misses a lot by focusing on the number of votes in the election. The election was but one part of a long campaign (albeit a significant part). Rather I think a short quote capturing a wider mood would be more appropriate:-

    "Through the actions and ingenuity of our fans, we returned to The Valley on 5th December 2023" (or words to that effect) widens the audience and is more inclusive of all of the actions that ultimately got us back.

    ps Strange to launch a survey on a random Tuesday in December, but I'm sure there a rationale behind it.
    Surely you voted for 2 Sam Bartram. 
    1 is Alwen & the gates opening. 
    You may be right - I tried to go back in to check but couldn't...
  • Siv_in_Norfolk
    Siv_in_Norfolk Posts: 4,057
    edited December 2023
    I was persuaded by above points to vote for Bartram option. 
  • Karim_myBagheri
    Karim_myBagheri Posts: 12,737
    shame we have lost it again 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,897
    Covered End said:
    SporadicAddick said:
    Quite a change from the initial design - well done CAST..

    Voted for 1 (Sam Bartram). It shows the Valley in its heyday (40,000 on the east terrace) alongside one of our greatest names. Both are powerful elements of our history - the balloon and the gate images don't give a sense of scale or our longer history. That's relevant because there is now a bigger gap between our return in 1992 to today (31 years) than between Bartram's last game and us leaving in 1985 (29 years)...

    I also think the caption at the bottom misses a lot by focusing on the number of votes in the election. The election was but one part of a long campaign (albeit a significant part). Rather I think a short quote capturing a wider mood would be more appropriate:-

    "Through the actions and ingenuity of our fans, we returned to The Valley on 5th December 2023" (or words to that effect) widens the audience and is more inclusive of all of the actions that ultimately got us back.

    ps Strange to launch a survey on a random Tuesday in December, but I'm sure there a rationale behind it.
    Surely you voted for 2 Sam Bartram. 
    1 is Alwen & the gates opening. 
    It was the other way round when I voted
    1 Bartram
    2 Alwen
    3 Valley on the 5/12/92
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,024
    killerandflash said:
    Covered End said:
    SporadicAddick said:
    Quite a change from the initial design - well done CAST..

    Voted for 1 (Sam Bartram). It shows the Valley in its heyday (40,000 on the east terrace) alongside one of our greatest names. Both are powerful elements of our history - the balloon and the gate images don't give a sense of scale or our longer history. That's relevant because there is now a bigger gap between our return in 1992 to today (31 years) than between Bartram's last game and us leaving in 1985 (29 years)...

    I also think the caption at the bottom misses a lot by focusing on the number of votes in the election. The election was but one part of a long campaign (albeit a significant part). Rather I think a short quote capturing a wider mood would be more appropriate:-

    "Through the actions and ingenuity of our fans, we returned to The Valley on 5th December 2023" (or words to that effect) widens the audience and is more inclusive of all of the actions that ultimately got us back.

    ps Strange to launch a survey on a random Tuesday in December, but I'm sure there a rationale behind it.
    Surely you voted for 2 Sam Bartram. 
    1 is Alwen & the gates opening. 
    It was the other way round when I voted
    1 Bartram
    2 Alwen
    3 Valley on the 5/12/92
    I thought it a little strange all the Bartram votes & nothing to do with the actual day we are meant to be remembering.

    Maybe better if people commenting say they voted for Alwen/gates, Bartram or balloons/Valley? 

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  • addickson
    addickson Posts: 891
    Balloons at The Valley is just ripe for ridicule and there is already a statue to Sam so my vote went for the gates.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,361
    These are much more impactful. Good stuff CAST. 
  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 6,877
    addickson said:
    Balloons at The Valley is just ripe for ridicule and there is already a statue to Sam so my vote went for the gates.
    Pretty certain they weren't biodegradable balloons either, so important that we disconnect our return to The Valley with impact on wildlife. 
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,853
    Gates for me.
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,235
    edited December 2023
    Balloons for me. A superb photo
  • Er_Be_Ab_Pl_Wo_Wo_Ch
    Er_Be_Ab_Pl_Wo_Wo_Ch Posts: 1,790
    I've just noticed the old floodlight had a 'C' lit up on it, nice.
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,853
    edited December 2023
    SporadicAddick said:
    Quite a change from the initial design - well done CAST..

    Voted for 1 (Sam Bartram). It shows the Valley in its heyday (40,000 on the east terrace) alongside one of our greatest names. Both are powerful elements of our history - the balloon and the gate images don't give a sense of scale or our longer history. That's relevant because there is now a bigger gap between our return in 1992 to today (31 years) than between Bartram's last game and us leaving in 1985 (29 years)...

    I also think the caption at the bottom misses a lot by focusing on the number of votes in the election. The election was but one part of a long campaign (albeit a significant part). Rather I think a short quote capturing a wider mood would be more appropriate:-

    "Through the actions and ingenuity of our fans, we returned to The Valley on 5th December 2023" (or words to that effect) widens the audience and is more inclusive of all of the actions that ultimately got us back.

    ps Strange to launch a survey on a random Tuesday in December, but I'm sure there a rationale behind it.
    I like that idea:
     
    Through the direct action, passion and determination of our fans, we returned to The Valley on 5th December 1992

    We can play with the words though.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,249
    "Through the direct action, passion and determination of our fans AND DIRECTORS, we returned to The Valley on 5th December 1992"

    I would suggest

    No doubt the Valley Party was hugely significant but not the whole story 

    @bobmunro are you in a position to influence this?
  • KBslittlesis
    KBslittlesis Posts: 8,619
    Covered End said:
    Option 3, the ground & balloons for me.
    Option 1 Alwen/gates a close second.
    Option 2 Sam Bartram a non runner for me as nothing really to do with THE DAY. 
    This
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,361
    edited December 2023
    Henry Irving said:
    "Through the direct action, passion and determination of our fans AND DIRECTORS, we returned to The Valley on 5th December 1992"

    I would suggest

    No doubt the Valley Party was hugely significant but not the whole story 

    @bobmunro are you in a position to influence this?
    That feels a bit like it's diluting the simplicity of the message about fan collective action. 

    And bringing a word like 'directors' into the fold shifts the tone to sound corporate. 

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