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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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We’ve lost the ability to keep clean sheets. Defensively we’re like a sieve.
We haven’t improved with the ball enough to make a real difference.
Jones wasn’t backed with a big enough budget in the summer.
The board can twist the numbers sound like he was with instalments being spread across a few years and some players on bigger wages, but frees, loans and signings in the £500k to £1.5m range isn’t enough at this level.
Jones needs to come up with a system that gets more from this team but his options are limited with the lack of quality.
I can see him going in the next month and Pearce taking over as caretaker. It’ll be like 08/09 again, the board will hope he can get a few results to justify appointing him as the cheap option.10 -
4231 is a crap system if you’ve got no mobility nor creativity in midfield.NabySarr said:Lee Bowyer isn’t the answer. You’re replacing a manager with a poor record at coaching a 4-2-3-1 with another manager with the exact same problem. He’s a 4-4-2 diamond or 3-5-2 manager and neither of those involve TC on the wing which is a must for us
Challinor is the best available manager that we’d have a chance of getting. Is he a better manager than Jones? Not sure, never managed above league 1 and might not even want the job2 -
He got 2 teams relegated last season. Would be a terrible appointment but the problem is that’s our level at the moment. Doubt we can attract much betterMarcusH26 said:
Probably be Rowett tbh and I don't think that's any way an improvement.fenaddick said:
They'll go cheap and try to win the fans over with an ex pro like Pearce or bring back Jacko. That will happen after Powell turns them down for the second (maybe third?) time. While Gavin Carter is in charge any decisions will be the attempt to placate fans rather than actually improve usCAFCsayer said:Problem is, I can't think of anyone realistic and half decent apart from Bow or Challinor
For me it’s stick with Jones until at least the international break, hopefully he can turn things around. If not then we’ve got a break to take stock and if we want to make the change we’ve got some time to do a proper recruitment process2 -
Dyche, Parker and McKenna all available16
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There is still time 😉Garrymanilow said:
Surprised he didn't somehow make it Karen Hills' faultfenaddick said:
What impact did that have on today’s game?Jobbers said:Just shows how ridiculous he was making 10 changes against Spurs. He is a wally. And if he wasn’t Charlton Manager everyone would think he is a bit of a twat.I miss Lee Bowyer.0 -
Why cant it...? - Are recent years just prior to Jones not evidence enough? - The replacement could easily take us down, and do even bigger damage, setting us right back to what we've "enjoyed" these past few yearsValleyGary said:Can’t get any worse can it?3 -
How else can you set this squad up? It’s our best system. Need to scrap some points until January and then bring in a midfielder and winger so we can play it properlywmcf123 said:
4231 is a crap system if you’ve got no mobility nor creativity in midfield.NabySarr said:Lee Bowyer isn’t the answer. You’re replacing a manager with a poor record at coaching a 4-2-3-1 with another manager with the exact same problem. He’s a 4-4-2 diamond or 3-5-2 manager and neither of those involve TC on the wing which is a must for us
Challinor is the best available manager that we’d have a chance of getting. Is he a better manager than Jones? Not sure, never managed above league 1 and might not even want the job1 -
Not with our budget matesammy391 said:Dyche, Parker and McKenna all available0 -
And that's the crux of it , we aren't really attractive to anyone decent managerwise so I don't see it changing. You'd be looking at the Rowetts and Ryan Masons as cheap replacements that failed at this level already last season.NabySarr said:
He got 2 teams relegated last season. Would be a terrible appointment but the problem is that’s our level at the moment. Doubt we can attract much betterMarcusH26 said:
Probably be Rowett tbh and I don't think that's any way an improvement.fenaddick said:
They'll go cheap and try to win the fans over with an ex pro like Pearce or bring back Jacko. That will happen after Powell turns them down for the second (maybe third?) time. While Gavin Carter is in charge any decisions will be the attempt to placate fans rather than actually improve usCAFCsayer said:Problem is, I can't think of anyone realistic and half decent apart from Bow or Challinor
For me it’s stick with Jones until at least the international break, hopefully he can turn things around. If not then we’ve got a break to take stock and if we want to make the change we’ve got some time to do a proper recruitment process2 -
sammy391 said:Dyche, Parker and McKenna all available
About as relevant to us as Pep. We dont have the money.6 -
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433/451. 532. 442 and narrow it down.NabySarr said:
How else can you set this squad up? It’s our best system. Need to scrap some points until January and then bring in a midfielder and winger so we can play it properlywmcf123 said:
4231 is a crap system if you’ve got no mobility nor creativity in midfield.NabySarr said:Lee Bowyer isn’t the answer. You’re replacing a manager with a poor record at coaching a 4-2-3-1 with another manager with the exact same problem. He’s a 4-4-2 diamond or 3-5-2 manager and neither of those involve TC on the wing which is a must for us
Challinor is the best available manager that we’d have a chance of getting. Is he a better manager than Jones? Not sure, never managed above league 1 and might not even want the job0 -
We played 433 todaywmcf123 said:
433/451. 532. 442 and narrow it down.NabySarr said:
How else can you set this squad up? It’s our best system. Need to scrap some points until January and then bring in a midfielder and winger so we can play it properlywmcf123 said:
4231 is a crap system if you’ve got no mobility nor creativity in midfield.NabySarr said:Lee Bowyer isn’t the answer. You’re replacing a manager with a poor record at coaching a 4-2-3-1 with another manager with the exact same problem. He’s a 4-4-2 diamond or 3-5-2 manager and neither of those involve TC on the wing which is a must for us
Challinor is the best available manager that we’d have a chance of getting. Is he a better manager than Jones? Not sure, never managed above league 1 and might not even want the job0 -
At least now we know that if we go down with Jones, he can get us back... Better the devil you know... Am surprised as so many are scarred from bad owners on here, but are so forgetful over how bad we've done in League One with the wrong Manager.MarcusH26 said:
And that's the crux of it , we aren't really attractive to anyone decent managerwise so I don't see it changing. You'd be looking at the Rowetts and Ryan Masons as cheap replacements that failed at this level already last season.NabySarr said:
He got 2 teams relegated last season. Would be a terrible appointment but the problem is that’s our level at the moment. Doubt we can attract much betterMarcusH26 said:
Probably be Rowett tbh and I don't think that's any way an improvement.fenaddick said:
They'll go cheap and try to win the fans over with an ex pro like Pearce or bring back Jacko. That will happen after Powell turns them down for the second (maybe third?) time. While Gavin Carter is in charge any decisions will be the attempt to placate fans rather than actually improve usCAFCsayer said:Problem is, I can't think of anyone realistic and half decent apart from Bow or Challinor
For me it’s stick with Jones until at least the international break, hopefully he can turn things around. If not then we’ve got a break to take stock and if we want to make the change we’ve got some time to do a proper recruitment process
Id have a lot more faith in a new Manager being appointed if Jones had been given money to spend since we'd returned to the Championship, but last year he had to go for quantity over quality, and this year he got nothing... Changing the Manager wont change that reality.3 -
I've been Jones in and I think I still am (just), but I can't pretend the form isn't worrying.
Watford, Burnley and Norwich have all looked poor, and we lost two and only snuck a draw in the other due to terrible goalkeeping on their part.2 -
Just think as others like Damo have put on here a lot more succinctly than I ever could that there's a lot of factors that have all snowballed into one big mess that a managerial change doesn't fix alone.ForeverAddickted said:
At least now we know that if we go down with Jones, he can get us back... Better the devil you know... Am surprised as so many are scarred from bad owners on here, but are so forgetful over how bad we've done in League One with the wrong ManagerMarcusH26 said:
And that's the crux of it , we aren't really attractive to anyone decent managerwise so I don't see it changing. You'd be looking at the Rowetts and Ryan Masons as cheap replacements that failed at this level already last season.NabySarr said:
He got 2 teams relegated last season. Would be a terrible appointment but the problem is that’s our level at the moment. Doubt we can attract much betterMarcusH26 said:
Probably be Rowett tbh and I don't think that's any way an improvement.fenaddick said:
They'll go cheap and try to win the fans over with an ex pro like Pearce or bring back Jacko. That will happen after Powell turns them down for the second (maybe third?) time. While Gavin Carter is in charge any decisions will be the attempt to placate fans rather than actually improve usCAFCsayer said:Problem is, I can't think of anyone realistic and half decent apart from Bow or Challinor
For me it’s stick with Jones until at least the international break, hopefully he can turn things around. If not then we’ve got a break to take stock and if we want to make the change we’ve got some time to do a proper recruitment process
I don't want to go back to being a managerial merry-go-round like we were in League 1.7 -
Jones looks like he wants out to me . Just because we were even worse under Appleton and Russell Slade isn’t a reason not to look for better .ForeverAddickted said:
At least now we know that if we go down with Jones, he can get us back... Better the devil you know... Am surprised as so many are scarred from bad owners on here, but are so forgetful over how bad we've done in League One with the wrong ManagerMarcusH26 said:
And that's the crux of it , we aren't really attractive to anyone decent managerwise so I don't see it changing. You'd be looking at the Rowetts and Ryan Masons as cheap replacements that failed at this level already last season.NabySarr said:
He got 2 teams relegated last season. Would be a terrible appointment but the problem is that’s our level at the moment. Doubt we can attract much betterMarcusH26 said:
Probably be Rowett tbh and I don't think that's any way an improvement.fenaddick said:
They'll go cheap and try to win the fans over with an ex pro like Pearce or bring back Jacko. That will happen after Powell turns them down for the second (maybe third?) time. While Gavin Carter is in charge any decisions will be the attempt to placate fans rather than actually improve usCAFCsayer said:Problem is, I can't think of anyone realistic and half decent apart from Bow or Challinor
For me it’s stick with Jones until at least the international break, hopefully he can turn things around. If not then we’ve got a break to take stock and if we want to make the change we’ve got some time to do a proper recruitment process1 -
Could anyone do worse than what has been served up and will continue to be .
no
roll the dice8 -
Of course not, and as I've expanded, and as Marcus says... The problem is far deeper than just who the Manager is at the moment, but its an easy target to blame.wmcf123 said:
Jones looks like he wants out to me . Just because we were even worse under Appleton and Russell Slade isn’t a reason not to look for better .ForeverAddickted said:
At least now we know that if we go down with Jones, he can get us back... Better the devil you know... Am surprised as so many are scarred from bad owners on here, but are so forgetful over how bad we've done in League One with the wrong ManagerMarcusH26 said:
And that's the crux of it , we aren't really attractive to anyone decent managerwise so I don't see it changing. You'd be looking at the Rowetts and Ryan Masons as cheap replacements that failed at this level already last season.NabySarr said:
He got 2 teams relegated last season. Would be a terrible appointment but the problem is that’s our level at the moment. Doubt we can attract much betterMarcusH26 said:
Probably be Rowett tbh and I don't think that's any way an improvement.fenaddick said:
They'll go cheap and try to win the fans over with an ex pro like Pearce or bring back Jacko. That will happen after Powell turns them down for the second (maybe third?) time. While Gavin Carter is in charge any decisions will be the attempt to placate fans rather than actually improve usCAFCsayer said:Problem is, I can't think of anyone realistic and half decent apart from Bow or Challinor
For me it’s stick with Jones until at least the international break, hopefully he can turn things around. If not then we’ve got a break to take stock and if we want to make the change we’ve got some time to do a proper recruitment process2 -
Yesoohaahmortimer said:Could anyone do worse than what has been served up and will continue to be .
no
roll the dice1 -
I don’t think he would do it again. Morale in the club would be at rock bottom and I’m not convinced he has the squad as it is.ForeverAddickted said:
At least now we know that if we go down with Jones, he can get us back... Better the devil you know... Am surprised as so many are scarred from bad owners on here, but are so forgetful over how bad we've done in League One with the wrong Manager.MarcusH26 said:
And that's the crux of it , we aren't really attractive to anyone decent managerwise so I don't see it changing. You'd be looking at the Rowetts and Ryan Masons as cheap replacements that failed at this level already last season.NabySarr said:
He got 2 teams relegated last season. Would be a terrible appointment but the problem is that’s our level at the moment. Doubt we can attract much betterMarcusH26 said:
Probably be Rowett tbh and I don't think that's any way an improvement.fenaddick said:
They'll go cheap and try to win the fans over with an ex pro like Pearce or bring back Jacko. That will happen after Powell turns them down for the second (maybe third?) time. While Gavin Carter is in charge any decisions will be the attempt to placate fans rather than actually improve usCAFCsayer said:Problem is, I can't think of anyone realistic and half decent apart from Bow or Challinor
For me it’s stick with Jones until at least the international break, hopefully he can turn things around. If not then we’ve got a break to take stock and if we want to make the change we’ve got some time to do a proper recruitment process
Id have a lot more faith in a new Manager being appointed if Jones had been given money to spend since we'd returned to the Championship, but last year he had to go for quantity over quality, and this year he got nothing... Changing the Manager wont change that reality.
So many times you see a manager do it once but then not again.
I don’t think he would get us back up1 -
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If Jones goes now I actually think he goes with most fans still holding him in reasonably high regard. If he takes us down then personally the credit and good will he has from fans is gone. What he has achieved won’t matter. We have been terrible now for almost a whole season split over the last 2 years. Yes the owners haven’t massively helped this summer, but any manager at any club in any league on the run we are on would be under huge pressure. Another loss next week and unfortunately I think he has to go. The longer we are left in the rot the less chance of a recovery1
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Think I'm in the "Jones out" camp, but, no idea who can take/will take over.0
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The fact that people are evening talking about him being the person to get us back up is damning enough. Get someone in now whilst we are out of the drop to actually give it a go rather than this declineDamoNorthStand said:
I don’t think he would do it again. Morale in the club would be at rock bottom and I’m not convinced he has the squad as it is.ForeverAddickted said:
At least now we know that if we go down with Jones, he can get us back... Better the devil you know... Am surprised as so many are scarred from bad owners on here, but are so forgetful over how bad we've done in League One with the wrong Manager.MarcusH26 said:
And that's the crux of it , we aren't really attractive to anyone decent managerwise so I don't see it changing. You'd be looking at the Rowetts and Ryan Masons as cheap replacements that failed at this level already last season.NabySarr said:
He got 2 teams relegated last season. Would be a terrible appointment but the problem is that’s our level at the moment. Doubt we can attract much betterMarcusH26 said:
Probably be Rowett tbh and I don't think that's any way an improvement.fenaddick said:
They'll go cheap and try to win the fans over with an ex pro like Pearce or bring back Jacko. That will happen after Powell turns them down for the second (maybe third?) time. While Gavin Carter is in charge any decisions will be the attempt to placate fans rather than actually improve usCAFCsayer said:Problem is, I can't think of anyone realistic and half decent apart from Bow or Challinor
For me it’s stick with Jones until at least the international break, hopefully he can turn things around. If not then we’ve got a break to take stock and if we want to make the change we’ve got some time to do a proper recruitment process
Id have a lot more faith in a new Manager being appointed if Jones had been given money to spend since we'd returned to the Championship, but last year he had to go for quantity over quality, and this year he got nothing... Changing the Manager wont change that reality.
So many times you see a manager do it once but then not again.
I don’t think he would get us back up3 -
Has to go.0
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This for me is the big question! Yes he seems to have run his course and a change of manager would, hopefully, give everyone a boost ... just have no idea who would improve us but also - who would even want to take us on!?fenaddick said:
Who?MrBurns said:Get someone in before the Bolton and Lincoln games.0 -
Ryan mason .7
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It felt like today was the end for me. I just don’t see how he’s going to turn it around tactically1
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Sorry mate but the body language was as close in that 2nd half today as I’ve seen to the team not playing for him, and to deny that would just be to make argument.fenaddick said:
Heard that countless times under his tenure but it's never been true. I think we just have a mentally weak squad this seasonBedsaddick said:
If you can’t make your mind up about jones after watching the last few matches you’ll never make your mind up . He’s lost the dressing room.YardAddickt said:I think at this point I am still not sure whether I'm Jones in or out but there is no clear replacement and pulling the trigger spontaneously won't end well. If we enter the relegation zone I doubt we leave it. Jones will get the blame and he certainly has been at fault but too many of the players don't give a fuck and the board don't recruit well enough.
We are in shambles it's not just down to Jones but something needs to change I don't know what but if nothing does we are fucked.1 -
I think we’re shit, and I think we might get even more shit when we get rid of Jones and we inevitably end up promoting from within or get some lower league journeyman.
There is no chance this ownership group will be shelling out for anyone with any great pedigree.
And we need someone who can basically perform miracles with this unbalanced under the required ability team.
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