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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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Heard these numbers from someone reliable. So choose to believe or not. Grant was WBA highest paid player by some distance. He was closing on nearly 40k a week with them. WBA paying silly money for years hence nearly went out of business.NabySarr said:
You are just making up numbers here. I very highly doubt you know the players wages (none of us do). But if you were going to make it up at least make it more realistic than us deciding to pay Chalobah 19k a week, not even we are that stupid.DubaiCAFC said:Grant 25k a week million signing on. NC 19k a week Skipp we are paying 50% salary he on 60k a week
Grant was on 25k a week at west brom in the championship, on a contract he signed when he was at his peak. He's definitely not on that much anymore
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Totally agree. Thought was bad signing at the timeJ BLOCK said:
Grant and he offers absolutely nothing.carly burn said:
Who the f**k is on £25k + a week!!DubaiCAFC said:We gone from players on 10-15k a week, to spending money on wages of 25-30k a week. Big jump, and that’s where chunks budgets gone
Whoever they are,well done on pulling our pants down.3 -
I think our wage budget has definitely increased. We are carrying a bigger squad now and a few of our signings will be on decent money. I'd guess the budget has increased slightly but as I said, a slight increase is not enough when the rest of the championship have increased theirs by much more.J BLOCK said:
Simply that is just not true, it’s clear to see. The Rak Sakyi money hasn’t been spent either.NabySarr said:
Carter said our budget has increased, that might be true. The problem is when the rest of the championship increase their budgets by more, we get left behind. That is what has happened, the new financial rules have allowed teams to spend more money and they have, we haven't and it shows in the squad we have vs every team we play againstDubaiCAFC said:Or has Gavin Carter been lying to us about budgets?
I'm not a fan that acts entitled and thinks the owners should just spend spend spend big money that's unsustainable. The bare minimum I expect is for them to spend enough to keep us progressing and they have failed to do that this season1 -
But it is down to him and Chapple that they’ve wasted some of that budget on players like Alli, Ouma and Skipp.NabySarr said:
It wasn’t down to him that we had no money to sign a good midfielder and didn’t sign a right winger this summer. If we’d done both of those we’d have been fine this seasonDubaiCAFC said:Recruitment is down to Jones he wanted more control, he got that. He bought in PC as the guy he wanted to head it up. The funny thing is today, you could see more positive signs. The shape and selection better than it has been, but mistakes and margins might have cost him.. Shame.. but everyone could see it wasn’t working but too stubborn9 -
The Red Robin said:
But it is down to him and Chapple that they’ve wasted some of that budget on players like Alli, Ouma and Skipp.NabySarr said:
It wasn’t down to him that we had no money to sign a good midfielder and didn’t sign a right winger this summer. If we’d done both of those we’d have been fine this seasonDubaiCAFC said:Recruitment is down to Jones he wanted more control, he got that. He bought in PC as the guy he wanted to head it up. The funny thing is today, you could see more positive signs. The shape and selection better than it has been, but mistakes and margins might have cost him.. Shame.. but everyone could see it wasn’t working but too stubbornThis Ali was signed off the back of a good performance against us. And his mates at Luton needed a bit of cash0 -
Alli was clearly not signed to be first choice, for a 1.5m backup winger he's not terrible. Skipp and Ouma were obviously signed when we realised we had no money to sign a good midfielder like Jones had been begging for in every interview since about March last season. I bet he's as frustrated as we are when he looks at his midfield and winger optionsThe Red Robin said:
But it is down to him and Chapple that they’ve wasted some of that budget on players like Alli, Ouma and Skipp.NabySarr said:
It wasn’t down to him that we had no money to sign a good midfielder and didn’t sign a right winger this summer. If we’d done both of those we’d have been fine this seasonDubaiCAFC said:Recruitment is down to Jones he wanted more control, he got that. He bought in PC as the guy he wanted to head it up. The funny thing is today, you could see more positive signs. The shape and selection better than it has been, but mistakes and margins might have cost him.. Shame.. but everyone could see it wasn’t working but too stubborn0 -
You can, but based on where we were to where they took us to, I don’t think you’ll win that hand.oohaahmortimer said:
I’ll re raise you SCPse9addick said:
I honestly think it’s the opposite compared to Bowyer. People blindly believed in him because he was “one of our own”. Look at the age of this thread - for 2 of Jones’ 2.5 years people have been calling for his head. Yet in that timeframe he’s been our most successful manager since Curbs. It’s madness, but such is modern football.CAFC_boi said:It’s like when anyone suggested Lee Bowyer should be sacked - he had the same cult like following.The football has always been terrible, even in the promotion season but you don’t mind when you’re getting results.Now we have terrible football and terrible results so what’s even the point.Jones has been dealt a bad hand but his recruitment is partly to blame for that.I also think the squad is much better than it’s given credit for, we’ve just lost all identity, leadership and any form of style of play, so no one has a clue what they’re supposed to be doing and that comes down to the manager.0 -
To be clear, arguing against SCP feels unnatural!2
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If they think Chalobah is on 19k a week I'm not sure you can call them reliable anymore. It's a load of bollocks as is most of the stuff you see from people's sources about player wages. Some had Kaminski on 20k last season from their "sources" but it was reported when we signed him that he was on 12.5kDubaiCAFC said:
Heard these numbers from someone reliable. So choose to believe or not. Grant was WBA highest paid player by some distance. He was closing on nearly 40k a week with them. WBA paying silly money for years hence nearly went out of business.NabySarr said:
You are just making up numbers here. I very highly doubt you know the players wages (none of us do). But if you were going to make it up at least make it more realistic than us deciding to pay Chalobah 19k a week, not even we are that stupid.DubaiCAFC said:Grant 25k a week million signing on. NC 19k a week Skipp we are paying 50% salary he on 60k a week
Grant was on 25k a week at west brom in the championship, on a contract he signed when he was at his peak. He's definitely not on that much anymore0 -
If we appoint Bowyer I might try and sell my season ticket for a tenner or something10
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So what you think he is on?NabySarr said:
If they think Chalobah is on 19k a week I'm not sure you can call them reliable anymore. It's a load of bollocks as is most of the stuff you see from people's sources about player wages. Some had Kaminski on 20k last season from their "sources" but it was reported when we signed him that he was on 12.5kDubaiCAFC said:
Heard these numbers from someone reliable. So choose to believe or not. Grant was WBA highest paid player by some distance. He was closing on nearly 40k a week with them. WBA paying silly money for years hence nearly went out of business.NabySarr said:
You are just making up numbers here. I very highly doubt you know the players wages (none of us do). But if you were going to make it up at least make it more realistic than us deciding to pay Chalobah 19k a week, not even we are that stupid.DubaiCAFC said:Grant 25k a week million signing on. NC 19k a week Skipp we are paying 50% salary he on 60k a week
Grant was on 25k a week at west brom in the championship, on a contract he signed when he was at his peak. He's definitely not on that much anymore1 -
The most annoying thing about any managerial turmoil is the emergence of people who want Bowyer, Powell, Jackson or Curbishley back
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And the fact that Bowyer is supposedly being considered shows Gavin Carter probably is actually a fan because he knows certain sections of the fanbase will love it despite the fact it defies any footballing logiccurlywantstotango said:The most annoying thing about any managerial turmoil is the emergence of people who want Bowyer, Powell, Jackson or Curbishley back
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Hope not. I hope we go down the route of young up and coming manager. Even if comes from overseas. As I said, I don’t think this is a bad squad. Just not being set up right, but today I saw signs of improvement despite the resultcurlywantstotango said:The most annoying thing about any managerial turmoil is the emergence of people who want Bowyer, Powell, Jackson or Curbishley back
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He was trialling to earn a deal at Sheffield Wednesday before he came to us, they are only allowed to offer players something like 7.5k a week under the restrictions the EFL put on them.DubaiCAFC said:
So what you think he is on?NabySarr said:
If they think Chalobah is on 19k a week I'm not sure you can call them reliable anymore. It's a load of bollocks as is most of the stuff you see from people's sources about player wages. Some had Kaminski on 20k last season from their "sources" but it was reported when we signed him that he was on 12.5kDubaiCAFC said:
Heard these numbers from someone reliable. So choose to believe or not. Grant was WBA highest paid player by some distance. He was closing on nearly 40k a week with them. WBA paying silly money for years hence nearly went out of business.NabySarr said:
You are just making up numbers here. I very highly doubt you know the players wages (none of us do). But if you were going to make it up at least make it more realistic than us deciding to pay Chalobah 19k a week, not even we are that stupid.DubaiCAFC said:Grant 25k a week million signing on. NC 19k a week Skipp we are paying 50% salary he on 60k a week
Grant was on 25k a week at west brom in the championship, on a contract he signed when he was at his peak. He's definitely not on that much anymoreNo other championship club wanted him. So he’s probably on a bottom end championship/top end league 1 wage given that’s where he’s ended up being in demand. 7-10k a week based on all of that. To me that seems a lot more likely than your “source’s” 19k a week2 -
How can it not be a bad squad? We don’t have a right winger or right wing back. That alone makes it a bad squad because it means we don’t have a formation that worksDubaiCAFC said:
Hope not. I hope we go down the route of young up and coming manager. Even if comes from overseas. As I said, I don’t think this is a bad squad. Just not being set up right, but today I saw signs of improvement despite the resultcurlywantstotango said:The most annoying thing about any managerial turmoil is the emergence of people who want Bowyer, Powell, Jackson or Curbishley back
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He was signed before the restrictions and what I have read he was on 20k a week.NabySarr said:
He was trialling to earn a deal at Sheffield Wednesday before he came to us, they are only allowed to offer players something like 7.5k a week under the restrictions the EFL put on them.DubaiCAFC said:
So what you think he is on?NabySarr said:
If they think Chalobah is on 19k a week I'm not sure you can call them reliable anymore. It's a load of bollocks as is most of the stuff you see from people's sources about player wages. Some had Kaminski on 20k last season from their "sources" but it was reported when we signed him that he was on 12.5kDubaiCAFC said:
Heard these numbers from someone reliable. So choose to believe or not. Grant was WBA highest paid player by some distance. He was closing on nearly 40k a week with them. WBA paying silly money for years hence nearly went out of business.NabySarr said:
You are just making up numbers here. I very highly doubt you know the players wages (none of us do). But if you were going to make it up at least make it more realistic than us deciding to pay Chalobah 19k a week, not even we are that stupid.DubaiCAFC said:Grant 25k a week million signing on. NC 19k a week Skipp we are paying 50% salary he on 60k a week
Grant was on 25k a week at west brom in the championship, on a contract he signed when he was at his peak. He's definitely not on that much anymoreNo other championship club wanted him. So he’s probably on a bottom end championship/top end league 1 wage given that’s where he’s ended up being in demand. 7-10k a week based on all of that. To me that seems a lot more likely than your “source’s” 19k a weekI have just checked again, so he is 15k a week and then 4k appearance bonus0 -
At the moment getting rid of Nathan is not the answer. Yes he should take some of the blame for the way we've been playing but I'm sorry to say the Owners have given him nothing in the season that mattered most after survival against Hull. I think like some fans they should get pelters not just for a lack of player investment but other areas like ticket prices and appalling facilities.
It shows they have zero experience of football and to appear to say they are closing their wallets is shameful. Nathan can only do what he has with what he's got and he ain't got a lot. I think he's been too loyal in the past to some players but I think most of them are not without fault themselves. The lack of effort in the last few games has been unforgivable.
All in all we're in a terrible mess limping towards another transfer window hoping to pull out a couple of choice players with no money as I very much doubt there will be any JRC money available if there was to begin with.
I feel we've been fed a line and taken for idiots by the club but I say again sacking Nathan's is not the answer as any Manager would struggle with what is still essentially a League One team punching above it's weight and getting smashed every week.
Is there an answer..... Probably not... It seems very bleak at present but some honesty from the Owners would be nice as they're extremely silent.
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I wasn’t talking about then. This summer he was on trial at Sheffield Wednesday before he came to us.DubaiCAFC said:
He was signed before the restrictions and what I have read he was on 20k a week.NabySarr said:
He was trialling to earn a deal at Sheffield Wednesday before he came to us, they are only allowed to offer players something like 7.5k a week under the restrictions the EFL put on them.DubaiCAFC said:
So what you think he is on?NabySarr said:
If they think Chalobah is on 19k a week I'm not sure you can call them reliable anymore. It's a load of bollocks as is most of the stuff you see from people's sources about player wages. Some had Kaminski on 20k last season from their "sources" but it was reported when we signed him that he was on 12.5kDubaiCAFC said:
Heard these numbers from someone reliable. So choose to believe or not. Grant was WBA highest paid player by some distance. He was closing on nearly 40k a week with them. WBA paying silly money for years hence nearly went out of business.NabySarr said:
You are just making up numbers here. I very highly doubt you know the players wages (none of us do). But if you were going to make it up at least make it more realistic than us deciding to pay Chalobah 19k a week, not even we are that stupid.DubaiCAFC said:Grant 25k a week million signing on. NC 19k a week Skipp we are paying 50% salary he on 60k a week
Grant was on 25k a week at west brom in the championship, on a contract he signed when he was at his peak. He's definitely not on that much anymoreNo other championship club wanted him. So he’s probably on a bottom end championship/top end league 1 wage given that’s where he’s ended up being in demand. 7-10k a week based on all of that. To me that seems a lot more likely than your “source’s” 19k a weekI have just checked again, so he is 15k a week and then 4k appearance bonus
I know we are incompetent but there’s no chance we’d offer a player 15k a week when no other championship teams wants him and he’d barely been fit for 2 seasons. If you believe that you’ll believe anything0 -
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The analogy I would use is the ‘fans’ who go for see Oasis at Wembley and know the words to Don’t Look Back In Anger, Wonderwall and Roll with It. And that’s it.fenaddick said:
And the fact that Bowyer is supposedly being considered shows Gavin Carter probably is actually a fan because he knows certain sections of the fanbase will love it despite the fact it defies any footballing logiccurlywantstotango said:The most annoying thing about any managerial turmoil is the emergence of people who want Bowyer, Powell, Jackson or Curbishley back
Point being - a casual would get excited by Lee Bowyer but most of us hardcore on here can see through it0 -
Well it is. And that was Jones choice. Again Jones money spent badly.NabySarr said:
I wasn’t talking about then. This summer he was on trial at Sheffield Wednesday before he came to us.DubaiCAFC said:
He was signed before the restrictions and what I have read he was on 20k a week.NabySarr said:
He was trialling to earn a deal at Sheffield Wednesday before he came to us, they are only allowed to offer players something like 7.5k a week under the restrictions the EFL put on them.DubaiCAFC said:
So what you think he is on?NabySarr said:
If they think Chalobah is on 19k a week I'm not sure you can call them reliable anymore. It's a load of bollocks as is most of the stuff you see from people's sources about player wages. Some had Kaminski on 20k last season from their "sources" but it was reported when we signed him that he was on 12.5kDubaiCAFC said:
Heard these numbers from someone reliable. So choose to believe or not. Grant was WBA highest paid player by some distance. He was closing on nearly 40k a week with them. WBA paying silly money for years hence nearly went out of business.NabySarr said:
You are just making up numbers here. I very highly doubt you know the players wages (none of us do). But if you were going to make it up at least make it more realistic than us deciding to pay Chalobah 19k a week, not even we are that stupid.DubaiCAFC said:Grant 25k a week million signing on. NC 19k a week Skipp we are paying 50% salary he on 60k a week
Grant was on 25k a week at west brom in the championship, on a contract he signed when he was at his peak. He's definitely not on that much anymoreNo other championship club wanted him. So he’s probably on a bottom end championship/top end league 1 wage given that’s where he’s ended up being in demand. 7-10k a week based on all of that. To me that seems a lot more likely than your “source’s” 19k a weekI have just checked again, so he is 15k a week and then 4k appearance bonus
I know we are incompetent but there’s no chance we’d offer a player 15k a week when no other championship teams wants him and he’d barely been fit for 2 seasons. If you believe that you’ll believe anything3 -
I think it’s a terrible idea. But I’m not going to lie I would still be excited by it and would be belting out LEE LEE LEE BOWYER like it was 2019DamoNorthStand said:
The analogy I would use is the ‘fans’ who go for see Oasis at Wembley and know the words to Don’t Look Back In Anger, Wonderwall and Roll with It. And that’s it.fenaddick said:
And the fact that Bowyer is supposedly being considered shows Gavin Carter probably is actually a fan because he knows certain sections of the fanbase will love it despite the fact it defies any footballing logiccurlywantstotango said:The most annoying thing about any managerial turmoil is the emergence of people who want Bowyer, Powell, Jackson or Curbishley back
Point being - a casual would get excited by Lee Bowyer but most of us hardcore on here can see through it0 -
carly burn said:I always think a sides mentality eventually reflects that of it's managers personality.
This Charlton side now really do look like a nervous ball of misguided energy with white tape over our finger tips to stop us from chewing our fingers off
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I’ve just seen Lee Bowyer picking up his Gucci V-Neck from the dry cleaners. Make of that what you will7
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I haven’t forgotten how it ended with Bowyer.
Was poisonous around the club.
the polar opposite of when SCP left (ie the fans were sad to see him go).
And to be clear I am not shouting for SCP to come back…. Although I would take him over Bowyer8 -
I think you have been used previously to push the owners agenda so I'm not going to believe you I'm afraid. You seem to be the only person here who is defending their investment this summer which I think says it allDubaiCAFC said:
Well it is. And that was Jones choice. Again Jones money spent badly.NabySarr said:
I wasn’t talking about then. This summer he was on trial at Sheffield Wednesday before he came to us.DubaiCAFC said:
He was signed before the restrictions and what I have read he was on 20k a week.NabySarr said:
He was trialling to earn a deal at Sheffield Wednesday before he came to us, they are only allowed to offer players something like 7.5k a week under the restrictions the EFL put on them.DubaiCAFC said:
So what you think he is on?NabySarr said:
If they think Chalobah is on 19k a week I'm not sure you can call them reliable anymore. It's a load of bollocks as is most of the stuff you see from people's sources about player wages. Some had Kaminski on 20k last season from their "sources" but it was reported when we signed him that he was on 12.5kDubaiCAFC said:
Heard these numbers from someone reliable. So choose to believe or not. Grant was WBA highest paid player by some distance. He was closing on nearly 40k a week with them. WBA paying silly money for years hence nearly went out of business.NabySarr said:
You are just making up numbers here. I very highly doubt you know the players wages (none of us do). But if you were going to make it up at least make it more realistic than us deciding to pay Chalobah 19k a week, not even we are that stupid.DubaiCAFC said:Grant 25k a week million signing on. NC 19k a week Skipp we are paying 50% salary he on 60k a week
Grant was on 25k a week at west brom in the championship, on a contract he signed when he was at his peak. He's definitely not on that much anymoreNo other championship club wanted him. So he’s probably on a bottom end championship/top end league 1 wage given that’s where he’s ended up being in demand. 7-10k a week based on all of that. To me that seems a lot more likely than your “source’s” 19k a weekI have just checked again, so he is 15k a week and then 4k appearance bonus
I know we are incompetent but there’s no chance we’d offer a player 15k a week when no other championship teams wants him and he’d barely been fit for 2 seasons. If you believe that you’ll believe anything0 -
Some of the blind optimism and support of Jones is breathtaking. We have not won in NINE games.I posted on another forum that we will not win in ten games. One game to go. I can’t see where the next win is coming from. I am not convinced that changing the manager will work but the players look devoid of self confidence. Defence was our bedrock but that is now as bad as the midfield and attack. Jones doesn’t know what his best team is.JONES OUT.1
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Not sure Bowyer is the answer.
People might shit on it but Steve Cooper is a shout. Good tactician and can work on a budget. Even better he is outstanding with getting youth up to speed and playing to potential quick.6 -
He’d be a great shout but there’s also no chance he’d want the jobking addick said:Not sure Bowyer is the answer.
People might shit on it but Steve Cooper is a shout. Good tactician and can work on a budget. Even better he is outstanding with getting youth up to speed and playing to potential quick.2
