I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................

AndyG

Remarkably if NJ wasnt our manager and we were looking to recruit someone to come in and turn things around it would probably be NJ lol

ElfsborgAddick

ProperCharlton said:

FAVADDICK said:

ProperCharlton said:

NabySarr said:

ProperCharlton said:

NabySarr said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

NabySarr said:

John Eustace in the championship:

Kept Birmingham up first season and got them their highest points tally in 8 years
Had them in the play offs second season before he was sacked for Rooney (lol)
Went in to Blackburn and kept them up from the drop
Then had Blackburn in the play offs before leaving for the Derby job
Kept Derby up that season and then finished 8th in his first full season 

This season has been a disaster for him, but before that he's had multiple successful years in the championship as a manager, getting teams performing above expectations and budget. 3 times he has gone in and kept teams up from relegation and then had them in the play offs the next season

Do people really think we are going to bring in a manager with a better record than that? If so prepare to be disappointed

Hopefully Jones wins this week and it doesn't come to it. But I think people are deluded if they are turning down a manager with a good record of overperforming at this level, thinking we are going to bring in any better 

Has not got a team promoted.

Are we looking for someone to get us promoted. We need someone to keep us up this season and then help us push up the championship table. Eustace has done that exact requirement at every club he's been at so far 

They're second from bottom after spending a fortune compared to us and the vast majority of their fans hate his team selections and tactics. He would be such an uninspiring choice. Can't believe you have such a hard on for him.

He's had one poor season as a manager. Before that he's had multiple seasons of over-achievement at this level

His overall record is better than most managers and definitely better than anyone we could hope to appoint. I think there is some serious delusion on here about the market we will be shopping in for a new manager. I've asked about 6 times and still no one has provided a realistic name that is better than Nathan Jones or John Eustace

I don't even want a new manager! I want the board to back NJ in the January transfer window so not sure why you're expecting me to give other options. I'm just disagreeing with you about Eustace.

Why does jones deserve to be backed in January, as his track record on recruitment has not been good has it.
look at how much money has been wasted on Apter, Tanto ,Ali, kamakazi, Burke, Ahadme that’s without some of the terrible free agents we brought in like, hernandez, Roussillon, bouzanis, Hylton, Potts and some really poor loans. Unfortunately for him it’s come to the end of the road and a win on Tuesday would only paper over some of the cracks. With people asking who would you bring in, I wouldn’t have a clue as I don’t know how much budget there is and how much pull we are now. All I know is this can not carry on the way we are.

FWIW I do agree that some of our recruitment hasn't been good enough, just as our recent performances and results haven't been. NJ isn't God. I just happen to think he's done a good job as manager since taking over and deserves more time and to be backed by our owners, rather than having to shop in the bargain bins.

To answer your point, it is no surprise to me that we've had a lot of failures when we are shopping at the level we are. Every club has failures in recruitment. Wrexham and Derby have spent a lot more than us over the past few seasons and are struggling and their fans are incredibly unhappy with their manager and signings. So I think we have to be realistic and say that this isn't just an issue for NJ. The odds of it happening increase when you take more risks, which we have to do due to our small budget.

Hopefully he can turn it around once again but I realise that there's always going to be people that are quick to call for him to go.

I can see the end approaching because I think the situation might be too far gone with some people and I think he is starting to realise that too. I will be incredibly disappointed when it arrives. 

I agree with virtually all your post.

Tuesday night hopefully is a 'Crawley moment' and we can move on with a win and we can look back on this and that we have stayed up in the Championship.

Behind all this the board must know that if they are to sell they need to sell a Championship club, with it comes more money in their pockets, but in the meantime they need to release the purse strings.

NabySarr

king addick said:

Would Dave Challinor be a prospect?

Not endorsing but curious.

He’s possibly the best option that might be available to us I think. I like how his teams play in that he’s not nailed down to one style of play or formation, his Stockport side could play good football but also play more direct and mix it physically. He’s also got a ridiculously successful record, don’t think he’s ever managed a full season and not finished in the play offs at least 

Negatives are that he’s never managed in the championship before. And also that he’s currently linked with the Sheffield Wednesday job, and currently their long term prospects are possibly better than ours, plus it being in the north he might rather go there than come to us 

If it was up to me and we don’t win this week, he’d certainly be on the list of people to interview 

Sword65pf

Fortune 82nd Minute said:

Gravesend_Addick said:

"Something needs to change on Tuesday otherwise something else will change "

Sounds like he's been told he must get a result on Tuesday 

Well if this is right, Tuesday will prove once and for all whether the players are still behind Jones.

If they burst a gut and really try to give him the win he needs, then clearly they are still behind him. 

If we get another disjointed display where some look as if they cant be bothered, then clearly they want him gone.

I think you are right, but it’s fucking wrong though isn’t it?, the players just carry on like nothings happened after blatantly getting the fella the tin tack, if this scenario happened.

MuttleyCAFC

My view is that we should think who we would get if Jones is sacked. And would that person be an improvement? I also accept, and it looks like Jones does, that something has to change and quickly. The question is whether that is possible. I'm not sure Jones knows what his best team is and fans are none the wiser either obviously. I think some selections have been difficult to understand. Edwards against Norwich for instance which may have cost us. Skipp and Coventry playing together when it became obvious they can't. But I would apply different rules to jones as he is not conventional and may still be able to turn it round. I hope he can but he is going to need everybody pulling i the same direction and that is alwats difficult in a crisis. I don't think he is going to make a more important team selection in his career than Tuesday night.

Sword65pf

Gravesend_Addick said:

From that interview I think Jones knows the writing is on the wall.  I think he realises he can't turn it around. 

For what it's worth, I don't think he was backed by the board as much as he was expecting this summer & unless the budget is changed in January, I don't think another manager will fare much better. 

In my view, the poor summer recruitment is as much on the board as it is Jones 

I think it is more so on the owners, everything  points to them pulling the rug from underneath him. They won’t back anyone else as they want out, we are hearing fuck all from them now, good, bad or ugly. 

kinveachyaddick

AndyG said:

Remarkably if NJ wasnt our manager and we were looking to recruit someone to come in and turn things around it would probably be NJ lol

This is what’s currently keeping him in work. And may continue to do so even if we lose on Tuesday. 

Sword65pf

NabySarr said:

fenaddick said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

NabySarr said:

ProperCharlton said:

NabySarr said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

NabySarr said:

John Eustace in the championship:

Kept Birmingham up first season and got them their highest points tally in 8 years
Had them in the play offs second season before he was sacked for Rooney (lol)
Went in to Blackburn and kept them up from the drop
Then had Blackburn in the play offs before leaving for the Derby job
Kept Derby up that season and then finished 8th in his first full season 

This season has been a disaster for him, but before that he's had multiple successful years in the championship as a manager, getting teams performing above expectations and budget. 3 times he has gone in and kept teams up from relegation and then had them in the play offs the next season

Do people really think we are going to bring in a manager with a better record than that? If so prepare to be disappointed

Hopefully Jones wins this week and it doesn't come to it. But I think people are deluded if they are turning down a manager with a good record of overperforming at this level, thinking we are going to bring in any better 

Has not got a team promoted.

Are we looking for someone to get us promoted. We need someone to keep us up this season and then help us push up the championship table. Eustace has done that exact requirement at every club he's been at so far 

They're second from bottom after spending a fortune compared to us and the vast majority of their fans hate his team selections and tactics. He would be such an uninspiring choice. Can't believe you have such a hard on for him.

He's had one poor season as a manager. Before that he's had multiple seasons of over-achievement at this level

His overall record is better than most managers and definitely better than anyone we could hope to appoint. I think there is some serious delusion on here about the market we will be shopping in for a new manager. I've asked about 6 times and still no one has provided a realistic name that is better than Nathan Jones or John Eustace

In your opinion.

To be honest you seem to know so much I don't know why Charlton do not appoint you and we'll be winning the Champions League in the next three seasons.  You have all the answers.

You keep saying things like this. Why do you have a problem with Naby sharing his opinions?

He was the same in the summer on every Tyreece Campbell post I made. Saying he’d be surprised if we could get a million for him and if we did should sell him. Aged like milk 

Get a room you two!!😂

NabySarr

MuttleyCAFC said:

My view is that we should think who we would get if Jones is sacked. And would that person be an improvement? I also accept, and it looks like Jones does, that something has to change and quickly. The question is whether that is possible. I'm not sure Jones knows what his best team is and fans are none the wiser either obviously. I think some selections have been difficult to understand. Edwards against Norwich for instance which may have cost us. Skipp and Coventry playing together when it became obvious they can't. But I would apply different rules to jones as he is not conventional and may still be able to turn it round. I hope he can but he is going to need everybody pulling i the same direction and that is alwats difficult in a crisis. I don't think he is going to make a more important team selection in his career than Tuesday night.

I don’t think we can bring in a manager that’s better than Nathan Jones with our budget and squad 

What we are nearing is the point where it would be better to have a new manager, even if they aren’t as good as Jones, than it would be to keep Jones. Sometimes things do just need freshening up, a different voice or approach. Who that new manager would be is the big question 

ElfsborgAddick

Sword65pf said:

NabySarr said:

fenaddick said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

NabySarr said:

ProperCharlton said:

NabySarr said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

NabySarr said:

John Eustace in the championship:

Kept Birmingham up first season and got them their highest points tally in 8 years
Had them in the play offs second season before he was sacked for Rooney (lol)
Went in to Blackburn and kept them up from the drop
Then had Blackburn in the play offs before leaving for the Derby job
Kept Derby up that season and then finished 8th in his first full season 

This season has been a disaster for him, but before that he's had multiple successful years in the championship as a manager, getting teams performing above expectations and budget. 3 times he has gone in and kept teams up from relegation and then had them in the play offs the next season

Do people really think we are going to bring in a manager with a better record than that? If so prepare to be disappointed

Hopefully Jones wins this week and it doesn't come to it. But I think people are deluded if they are turning down a manager with a good record of overperforming at this level, thinking we are going to bring in any better 

Has not got a team promoted.

Are we looking for someone to get us promoted. We need someone to keep us up this season and then help us push up the championship table. Eustace has done that exact requirement at every club he's been at so far 

They're second from bottom after spending a fortune compared to us and the vast majority of their fans hate his team selections and tactics. He would be such an uninspiring choice. Can't believe you have such a hard on for him.

He's had one poor season as a manager. Before that he's had multiple seasons of over-achievement at this level

His overall record is better than most managers and definitely better than anyone we could hope to appoint. I think there is some serious delusion on here about the market we will be shopping in for a new manager. I've asked about 6 times and still no one has provided a realistic name that is better than Nathan Jones or John Eustace

In your opinion.

To be honest you seem to know so much I don't know why Charlton do not appoint you and we'll be winning the Champions League in the next three seasons.  You have all the answers.

You keep saying things like this. Why do you have a problem with Naby sharing his opinions?

He was the same in the summer on every Tyreece Campbell post I made. Saying he’d be surprised if we could get a million for him and if we did should sell him. Aged like milk 

Get a room you two!!😂

No.

Melrose

There's no doubt that the owners have fucked us over by pulling the investment. BUT, i also understand why they would not entrust Jones with much more money. He/Chappell have spunked millions on the wrong players in the WRONG positions. It's in the best interests of the club that Jones goes, then hopefully the owners shortly afterwards. What division we will then be in, is anyone's guess!!

The Red Robin

MrBurns said:

I think the players will turn up for him on Tuesday and get the win. Hopefully we then go on a bit of a run with Sheffield Utd and Lincoln being winnable games at home. 

One way or another it’ll be a telling performance and result. 

king addick

NabySarr said:

king addick said:

Would Dave Challinor be a prospect?

Not endorsing but curious.

He’s possibly the best option that might be available to us I think. I like how his teams play in that he’s not nailed down to one style of play or formation, his Stockport side could play good football but also play more direct and mix it physically. He’s also got a ridiculously successful record, don’t think he’s ever managed a full season and not finished in the play offs at least 

Negatives are that he’s never managed in the championship before. And also that he’s currently linked with the Sheffield Wednesday job, and currently their long term prospects are possibly better than ours, plus it being in the north he might rather go there than come to us 

If it was up to me and we don’t win this week, he’d certainly be on the list of people to interview 

I think it might be a case of finding someone like that. 

Been thinking and would I want to run through walls for someone like NJ? Probably not is the truth. 

Another manager similar to NJ tactics wise could do the job but do we need someone to inspire and get another 20% out of these players.

Sword65pf

Melrose said:

There's no doubt that the owners have fucked us over by pulling the investment. BUT, i also understand why they would not entrust Jones with much more money. He/Chappell have spunked millions on the wrong players in the WRONG positions. It's in the best interests of the club that Jones goes, then hopefully the owners shortly afterwards. What division we will then be in, is anyone's guess!!

But that’s not much of an excuse, they had the power to sack him and give someone else the funds if they had lost faith in the recruitment decisions. Back, sack or crack him!!!! 

Bod

In my opinion he has been let down by the owners.
I know it's a bit harder to sell up and go quickly particularly in this climate , and our situation is complex but it's clear that they don't all want to be here- I want them gone as fast as is possible and for us to get in some people that not only care but who speculate to accumulate, easy to say, harder to achieve.
I get the feeling Brener does care as he takes the time to actively fly over from the States and be visible , I respect him for that. Sadly though his pockets can't take all the strain. If the owners didn't trust Jones and Chapple to spend the cash properly (if that's the case) why did they not make changes earlier?
Whatever happens in the long term our team needs to deliver against Bolton, no if's but's or maybe's. As a crowd we need to make it as intimidating for Bolton as is humanly possible. COYR!!!!!!!!!!!

stjohnshill

king addick said:

Would Dave Challinor be a prospect?

Not endorsing but curious.

Belive he isn’t too keen on a move down south. Plus a big risk to hire a manager who’s never managed at this level in a relegation battle.

MuttleyCAFC

I am still for keeping Jones. 

king addick

stjohnshill said:

king addick said:

Would Dave Challinor be a prospect?

Not endorsing but curious.

Belive he isn’t too keen on a move down south. Plus a big risk to hire a manager who’s never managed at this level in a relegation battle.

Thought that might a factor and as Naby mentioned, Sheffield Weds are keen and a much bigger profile and step up for him whilst staying oop north.

Danny Addick

If the board let us and Jones down this summer with the ‘powder’ available, what on earth makes anyone think they’ll pay for a better new manager??

Bod

Danny Addick said:

If the board let us and Jones down this summer with the ‘powder’ available, what on earth makes anyone think they’ll pay for a better new manager??

Hard to argue with this 

stjohnshill

MuttleyCAFC said:

I am still for keeping Jones. 

Me too but if he doesn’t get a win in the next 2 home games, sadly he will be gone. 

Melrose

Sword65pf said:

Melrose said:

There's no doubt that the owners have fucked us over by pulling the investment. BUT, i also understand why they would not entrust Jones with much more money. He/Chappell have spunked millions on the wrong players in the WRONG positions. It's in the best interests of the club that Jones goes, then hopefully the owners shortly afterwards. What division we will then be in, is anyone's guess!!

But that’s not much of an excuse, they had the power to sack him and give someone else the funds if they had lost faith in the recruitment decisions. Back, sack or crack him!!!! 

Agreed. All points to the fact, the club is in one hell of a mess.Sword65pf said:

Melrose said:

There's no doubt that the owners have fucked us over by pulling the investment. BUT, i also understand why they would not entrust Jones with much more money. He/Chappell have spunked millions on the wrong players in the WRONG positions. It's in the best interests of the club that Jones goes, then hopefully the owners shortly afterwards. What division we will then be in, is anyone's guess!!

But that’s not much of an excuse, they had the power to sack him and give someone else the funds if they had lost faith in the recruitment decisions. Back, sack or crack him!!!! 

Agreed and thats what i would have done. 

Sword65pf said:

Melrose said:

There's no doubt that the owners have fucked us over by pulling the investment. BUT, i also understand why they would not entrust Jones with much more money. He/Chappell have spunked millions on the wrong players in the WRONG positions. It's in the best interests of the club that Jones goes, then hopefully the owners shortly afterwards. What division we will then be in, is 

Cafc451

Go before tue night.

Bod

stjohnshill said:

MuttleyCAFC said:I 

I am still for keeping Jones. 

Me too but if he doesn’t get a win in the next 2 home games, sadly he will be gone. 

I agree on all counts. But if we lose and there is no movement on Jones (even a vote of confidence) we know for sure that the Americans don't give a toss.

Melrose

stjohnshill said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

I am still for keeping Jones. 

Me too but if he doesn’t get a win in the next 2 home games, sadly he will be gone. 

Not that sadly in my opinnion. It's the worst football ive seen us play in many a long year.

Sword65pf

I don’t get the owners strategy really, they’ve stumped up a lot of money so far, they look like they gave up in the summer, but , going down they get less back to make up losses, are they accepting going down for less losses?, surely they’d have been better off doing all they can to have a championship club to sell. Somehow we seem to have a club in limbo again. 

ElfsborgAddick

stjohnshill said:

king addick said:

Would Dave Challinor be a prospect?

Not endorsing but curious.

Belive he isn’t too keen on a move down south. Plus a big risk to hire a manager who’s never managed at this level in a relegation battle.

I was going to say he'll go to Wednesday but but Dean Holden apparently is in the frame up there.
Holden has a fantastic agent, I'd love to see his bank balance, good luck to him.

The Red Robin

Sword65pf said:

I don’t get the owners strategy really, they’ve stumped up a lot of money so far, they look like they gave up in the summer, but , going down they get less back to make up losses, are they accepting going down for less losses?, surely they’d have been better off doing all they can to have a championship club to sell. Somehow we seem to have a club in limbo again. 

I think they massively underestimated how much they’d have to spend to keep us competitive in The Championship. For whatever reason, they clearly don’t want to spend the cash required. Either that or they haven’t got it. I’m resigned to us going down. 

Melrose

Sword65pf said:

I don’t get the owners strategy really, they’ve stumped up a lot of money so far, they look like they gave up in the summer, but , going down they get less back to make up losses, are they accepting going down for less losses?, surely they’d have been better off doing all they can to have a championship club to sell. Somehow we seem to have a club in limbo again. 

Absolutely

Weegie Addick

ElfsborgAddick said:

ProperCharlton said:

FAVADDICK said:

ProperCharlton said:

NabySarr said:

ProperCharlton said:

NabySarr said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

NabySarr said:

John Eustace in the championship:

Kept Birmingham up first season and got them their highest points tally in 8 years
Had them in the play offs second season before he was sacked for Rooney (lol)
Went in to Blackburn and kept them up from the drop
Then had Blackburn in the play offs before leaving for the Derby job
Kept Derby up that season and then finished 8th in his first full season 

This season has been a disaster for him, but before that he's had multiple successful years in the championship as a manager, getting teams performing above expectations and budget. 3 times he has gone in and kept teams up from relegation and then had them in the play offs the next season

Do people really think we are going to bring in a manager with a better record than that? If so prepare to be disappointed

Hopefully Jones wins this week and it doesn't come to it. But I think people are deluded if they are turning down a manager with a good record of overperforming at this level, thinking we are going to bring in any better 

Has not got a team promoted.

Are we looking for someone to get us promoted. We need someone to keep us up this season and then help us push up the championship table. Eustace has done that exact requirement at every club he's been at so far 

They're second from bottom after spending a fortune compared to us and the vast majority of their fans hate his team selections and tactics. He would be such an uninspiring choice. Can't believe you have such a hard on for him.

He's had one poor season as a manager. Before that he's had multiple seasons of over-achievement at this level

His overall record is better than most managers and definitely better than anyone we could hope to appoint. I think there is some serious delusion on here about the market we will be shopping in for a new manager. I've asked about 6 times and still no one has provided a realistic name that is better than Nathan Jones or John Eustace

I don't even want a new manager! I want the board to back NJ in the January transfer window so not sure why you're expecting me to give other options. I'm just disagreeing with you about Eustace.

Why does jones deserve to be backed in January, as his track record on recruitment has not been good has it.
look at how much money has been wasted on Apter, Tanto ,Ali, kamakazi, Burke, Ahadme that’s without some of the terrible free agents we brought in like, hernandez, Roussillon, bouzanis, Hylton, Potts and some really poor loans. Unfortunately for him it’s come to the end of the road and a win on Tuesday would only paper over some of the cracks. With people asking who would you bring in, I wouldn’t have a clue as I don’t know how much budget there is and how much pull we are now. All I know is this can not carry on the way we are.

FWIW I do agree that some of our recruitment hasn't been good enough, just as our recent performances and results haven't been. NJ isn't God. I just happen to think he's done a good job as manager since taking over and deserves more time and to be backed by our owners, rather than having to shop in the bargain bins.

To answer your point, it is no surprise to me that we've had a lot of failures when we are shopping at the level we are. Every club has failures in recruitment. Wrexham and Derby have spent a lot more than us over the past few seasons and are struggling and their fans are incredibly unhappy with their manager and signings. So I think we have to be realistic and say that this isn't just an issue for NJ. The odds of it happening increase when you take more risks, which we have to do due to our small budget.

Hopefully he can turn it around once again but I realise that there's always going to be people that are quick to call for him to go.

I can see the end approaching because I think the situation might be too far gone with some people and I think he is starting to realise that too. I will be incredibly disappointed when it arrives. 

I agree with virtually all your post.

Tuesday night hopefully is a 'Crawley moment' and we can move on with a win and we can look back on this and that we have stayed up in the Championship.

Behind all this the board must know that if they are to sell they need to sell a Championship club, with it comes more money in their pockets, but in the meantime they need to release the purse strings.

Really hope Tuesday is not “Crawley moment” as we lost that one!!!