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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................

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  • Six league games lost after 25 in charge.

    I really can’t get behind any calls to sack another manager when he stopped the bleeding post Holden & Appleton.

    If this losing run continues much longer maybe there’s a conversation to have approaching Christmas.
    Christmas you say? 😁😁😁
  • I know people keep blaming Jones for getting rid of May, but wasn't he leaving regardless? Thought the wife stuff was the main reason for the move
  • Six league games lost after 25 in charge.

    I really can’t get behind any calls to sack another manager when he stopped the bleeding post Holden & Appleton.

    If this losing run continues much longer maybe there’s a conversation to have approaching Christmas.
    Christmas you say? 😁😁😁

    Yep, what is the xg on being served chicken instead of turkey.
  • thenewbie said:
    Leuth said:
    I'm usually one to offer reserve and loyalty when it comes to managers, but I think Jones will be gone within 2 months, with us in or near the relegation zone 
    I don't know about that, things can change fairly quickly. If he does manage to arrest the slide and scrape a couple of wins and draws over October he'll stay in place. 

    It will take a really catastrophic run of form to get him sacked before Christmas and as bad as last night was I'm hoping that was the absolute depths and we'll be if nothing else "less bad."
    It's just tough to see how things will change. I haven't seen anything based on our tactics this season, or the players we have, to suggest we can improve. The aim for this season was promotion, and we're already talking about the need to steady the ship with draws.

    It could very easily be 4 straight losses after Saturday. I'm not saying Jones out, I just genuinely don't know what we can expect to happen to change our fortunes. 
  • I know people keep blaming Jones for getting rid of May, but wasn't he leaving regardless? Thought the wife stuff was the main reason for the move
    That’s true as far as I’m aware but you sell the golden boot at your peril unless you bring in someone equally prolific. We didn’t and it’s showing.
  • I know people keep blaming Jones for getting rid of May, but wasn't he leaving regardless? Thought the wife stuff was the main reason for the move

    I honestly don't doubt that his wife wanting to move up north was a factor but I think the main thing was that he's getting towards the end of his career and Birmingham were offering him silly money.
  • Croydon said:
    thenewbie said:
    Leuth said:
    I'm usually one to offer reserve and loyalty when it comes to managers, but I think Jones will be gone within 2 months, with us in or near the relegation zone 
    I don't know about that, things can change fairly quickly. If he does manage to arrest the slide and scrape a couple of wins and draws over October he'll stay in place. 

    It will take a really catastrophic run of form to get him sacked before Christmas and as bad as last night was I'm hoping that was the absolute depths and we'll be if nothing else "less bad."
    It's just tough to see how things will change. I haven't seen anything based on our tactics this season, or the players we have, to suggest we can improve. The aim for this season was promotion, and we're already talking about the need to steady the ship with draws.

    It could very easily be 4 straight losses after Saturday. I'm not saying Jones out, I just genuinely don't know what we can expect to happen to change our fortunes. 

    Spending a few quid and keeping your leading scorer would be a help(this is not a criticism of your post btw).
  • edited October 2
    I think he's got he summer wrong and it will be a long, hard road now. 

    He's tried to build for us to be direct but he hasn't signed the big, strong strikers he needs, so the ball just keeps coming back. And he can't change the style to be more footballing because we don't have the width, or the midfielders who can play on the half-turn, or the strikers who can drop deep and link up play. The recruitment has failed and now things are falling apart unless the team are playing at 120% effort, which apparently is not sustainable.

    It's a problem of his making and one he needs to find a fix for. 

    I also think his comments about Cardiff are a big part of the problem and have obviously hit the squad's motivation and buy-in quite heavily - another thing he needs to own and sort out. 

    But I'd have less faith in another manager coming in and doing a job, because this is a very unbalanced squad with limited options for tactical change.
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  • edited October 2
    Chunes said:
    I think he's got he summer wrong and it will be a long, hard road now. 

    He's tried to build for us to be direct but he hasn't signed the big, strong strikers he needs, so the ball just keeps coming back. And he can't change the style to be more footballing because we don't have the width, or the midfielders who can play on the half-turn, or the strikers who can drop deep and link up play. The recruitment has failed and now things are falling apart unless the team are playing at 120% effort, which apparently is not sustainable.

    It's a problem of his making and one he needs to find a fix for. 

    I also think his comments about Cardiff are a big part of the problem and have obviously hit the squad's motivation and buy-in quite heavily - another thing he needs to own and sort out. 

    But I'd have less faith in another manager coming in and doing a job, because this is a very unbalanced squad with limited options for tactical change.
    Still think that we're putting all our hopes on Miles Leaburn...

    We've struggled for the first couple of months, managed to pick up a couple of wins, and our season has always hinged on him being the one to lead the line once he returns - I've never liked that approach, even when people on here have wanting him involved in the First Team as soon as possible for the last couple of weeks... Think its a lot to pin on him, and even in his short career within the First Team, he himself has shown that he can struggle to get involved / out muscled by experienced defenders.
  • @PragueAddick I think CM's answers would be that he doesn't get involved on the playing side. Whether that's true or not is up for debate but I certainly hope it is true. He isn't a football man and I don't want non football people questioning the manager/coach about the dropping of individual players. Your May questions are more relevant for him because that is more of a business decision.
  • MrOneLung said:
    Six league games lost after 25 in charge.

    I really can’t get behind any calls to sack another manager when he stopped the bleeding post Holden & Appleton.

    If this losing run continues much longer maybe there’s a conversation to have approaching Christmas.
    We were 3-0 down to the team with the worst Xg/Xa.
    Callum has been hoisted by his own petard 
    I mean they only had 0.56 xG so about in keeping with what they manage every other game but yeah, you got me!

    Why did they score 3 times from 0.56 xG against us and not anybody else??? Because we’re Charlton and we’re cursed.
    That proves one thing . This xG fad is a total load of nonsense and always has been.  
    @Garrymanilow already addressed it but yeah feel free to keep fundamentally missing the point.

    With the quality & quantity of chances they created last night (it wasn’t very good), Bristol Rovers would score three goals in a game once every two years.

    They are in trouble themselves long term with those kinds of numbers. Which makes the fact they did it last night against us even more depressing.
  • Swisdom said:
    Sacking him now would be pointless - he stabilised us and has given us a better shape and a style of play - albeit really ugly and predictable at the moment.

    Transfers before were handled by Andy Scott - the fans hated that as he was getting players the manager probably didn't want
    Transfers now seem to be handled by Nathan - the fans hate that because he's seemingly just getting the band back together and CURRENTLY looking a bit like a one trick pony.

    I think we need to wrestle some of the control back and go somewhere in between.  Have Nathan saying the "style" of player he wants and have Andy Scott and the recruitment team look for a list of players that fit the mould.  Then evaluate them individually and scout them properly.  Rather than giving Nathan carte-blanche to select the players.

    That's how many clubs operate.....

    As I see it at the moment we are too defensive.  The wing-backs are full backs who can get forward - whereas what we need for it to be more attacking is to have 2 wingers who can drop in to defend.  Subtle difference. The players may be more capable of the role but it might be the instructions that are the problem.
     
    And a midfield that has a bit of flair and creativity and can get crosses in the box.  Gassan needs crosses to thrive - we got a few in the box against Stevenage but Gassan wasn't playing.  Then last night we supplied absolutely fuck all for him.  Again.

    We can be solid and unspectacular if it gets results but at the moment we have the worst of both worlds.  We are flaky and boring.  This is not entertaining



    Is that not how it was before? I agree it's the right idea, we just didn't execute it well
  • fenaddick said:
    @PragueAddick I think CM's answers would be that he doesn't get involved on the playing side. Whether that's true or not is up for debate but I certainly hope it is true. He isn't a football man and I don't want non football people questioning the manager/coach about the dropping of individual players. Your May questions are more relevant for him because that is more of a business decision.
    Only after I posted, I discovered that @RodneyCharltonTrotta posted a clip of Methven from somewhere briefly addressing the May transfer issue.  As I'd fully expect from n experienced PR guy he carefully steps around addressing the issue full on, and makes it all deniable or spinnable in future. However he clearly accepts that it was a big business call, that is why he is referring to it in what seems to be a general discussion about the footie biz, and that it was very much NJ's football based decision. It does not answer my questions, but I'm not surprised at that.
  • I wonder what it would take for Jones to be fired on Saturday. I reckon a 6 goal defeat with a red card or two and a sideline confrontation between players and coaching staff would do the trick 
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  • Not that I'm hoping for that, gosh no! 
  • You’re a rascal @Leuth
  • edited October 2
    Honestly, it feels like an implosion, and one that could reach its endpoint surprisingly quickly. I've lost count of posts saying stuff like 'there's obviously a massive dressing room issue and they hate each other and the players aren't carrying out his instructions......but it's too soon to change, I support him!' 
  • Or, what they^ said, yeah
  • I know people keep blaming Jones for getting rid of May, but wasn't he leaving regardless? Thought the wife stuff was the main reason for the move
    I'm pretty sure that's BS and even if true he was under contract with 1 year left.... play out your deal and walk.
  • shine166 said:
    I know people keep blaming Jones for getting rid of May, but wasn't he leaving regardless? Thought the wife stuff was the main reason for the move
    I'm pretty sure that's BS and even if true he was under contract with 1 year left.... play out your deal and walk.
    Not so sure. Mays face didn’t fit with Jones. One year left and a good price agreed with Birmingham. Increase in wages for May. Pretty obvious we’d have had a problem squaring that circle.
  • shine166 said:
    I know people keep blaming Jones for getting rid of May, but wasn't he leaving regardless? Thought the wife stuff was the main reason for the move
    I'm pretty sure that's BS and even if true he was under contract with 1 year left.... play out your deal and walk.
    He had an optional further year which we could have activated to ensure he didn’t walk for nothing.
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