@Swisdom your post above implies that Ahadme was a specific Jones choice. Is that the case AFAYK, and did you hear about other strikers that were ahead of him in the list? ( there must have been a list, surely?)
Why are we so impatient as a fan group keeping on sacking the manager will get as no where as the recent past has shown us NJ came in last season and stopped the rot we had an impressive start this season and his reputation on here was great.
Now after just nine games people are calling for him to be sacked. I personally think he will turn this round and still expect us to make the playoffs let’s all chill and see what happens
It’s the style of play that’s so concerning. Trying to grind our way through games. Even if it took us up (it won’t without improvements) there’s little chance of competing in the Championship playing the same way.
I had hoped we’d progress from last season with some good signings, a fitter team, improved defending, set pieces and more attacking threat. We’ve seen some of those things until recently when most of it has fallen apart.
After each defeat Jones continues to talk about aggression and winning battles. He’s mentioned our attacking play too, but we’ve not seen any progress. His attempt to improve our possession and attacking play was to drop Mitchell for REG - defenders being comfortable on the ball helps, but our issues are far deeper than that and REG is hardly a stand out ball playing defender.
I’m not saying he needs to go now, but he does need to rethink this style of play. I’m not convinced the players want to play this way and that’s not going to lead to consistency and success.
I know people keep blaming Jones for getting rid of May, but wasn't he leaving regardless? Thought the wife stuff was the main reason for the move
I'm pretty sure that's BS and even if true he was under contract with 1 year left.... play out your deal and walk.
Not so sure. Mays face didn’t fit with Jones. One year left and a good price agreed with Birmingham. Increase in wages for May. Pretty obvious we’d have had a problem squaring that circle.
Which ties in with the bollox comment. 700k isn't and wasnt a good deal for AM as has been proven.
What's pretty obvious is that we chose to sell him and it might end up being the worse transfer decision in a decade.
Why are we so impatient as a fan group keeping on sacking the manager will get as no where as the recent past has shown us NJ came in last season and stopped the rot we had an impressive start this season and his reputation on here was great.
Now after just nine games people are calling for him to be sacked. I personally think he will turn this round and still expect us to make the playoffs let’s all chill and see what happens
This misses a major factor which is the very poor quality of games even when we win. Also it's not 9 games. It's 8 months and a closed season to work with. It's 9 games this season with his chosen players. At £26.50 per game (lower covered end) I cannot take any more of it. It is not entertaining and only interesting in respect how the f*ck does he/we salvage the season.
Plenty of good posts here that I agree with in part or wholly. As so often @AFKABartram catches my mood and that of so many others.
If I had the chance to interview Methven again (fat chance) I would ask him the following questions, which of course he would deflect at best:
1.Clearly Jones demanded classic “managerial” control before signing up. Most of us were happy you agreed. However when he decided he wanted to shift May on, did you or others interrogate him over this mother of all big calls?
2. Having agreed that he could shift May on, how quickly did you agree on a plan to replace him?
3. Is Ahadme the most expensive sigining in the window? Who shortlisted him? How happy was Jones with him as a choice?
4. The week before the Blackpool game the mood in the camp was apparently harmonious, as you’d expect from a team sitting 3rd in the table. What happened that week to turn them into the team of clueless strangers we saw against Blackpool?
5. Specifically did you ask Jones why he dropped Mitchell?
6. Mitchell has claimed that he received no explanation from the manager as to why he was dropped. Is that correct and if so do you consider this to be adequate management.?
7. while all managers want more than they get from the window, were there any specific areas of concern NJ expressed after the window closed? Could those concerns have been addressed with a loan?
i am definitely in the camp that says constantly churning managers is insane. I was in favour of giving him a long contract and very happy that we seemed to back him, early, in the window. But last night looked and felt as bad as the last days of Appleton. I dont understand how it could turn so bad so quickly. I’d have a more imformed opinion if I knew the answers to the above questions.
Think you are forgetting, May wanted to go as well, soon as Huddersfield and Brum were in for him, he wanted to go..
Why would the ownership get involved in team selection, and none of there business really, how Jones dropped or why he dropped Mitchell.
Not sure why it is all looping back around to the ownership at the moment, Jones was seen by most as a good appointment, he has been given the tools, which failing him at the moment. I am not sure sacking him is the right answer at the moment, and he will turn it around.. The issue is, he clearly needs to change the style of play. Look at the teams that have been successful over the last few years, they have been possession based football.
I believe Jones will turn this around, and we have good enough players to turn it around.. But promotion is going to be a tough ask now, that's for sure!
@Swisdom your post above implies that Ahadme was a specific Jones choice. Is that the case AFAYK, and did you hear about other strikers that were ahead of him in the list? ( there must have been a list, surely?)
Theo Bair was meant to be our first choice wasn't he? Ended up going to Auxerre for £1.6m + £500k in add ons so we were blown out of the water on that one
@Swisdom your post above implies that Ahadme was a specific Jones choice. Is that the case AFAYK, and did you hear about other strikers that were ahead of him in the list? ( there must have been a list, surely?)
Theo Bair was meant to be our first choice wasn't he? Ended up going to Auxerre for £1.6m + £500k in add ons so we were blown out of the water on that one
This who was meant to be our top target, but was out of our budget.
Why are we so impatient as a fan group keeping on sacking the manager will get as no where as the recent past has shown us NJ came in last season and stopped the rot we had an impressive start this season and his reputation on here was great.
Now after just nine games people are calling for him to be sacked. I personally think he will turn this round and still expect us to make the playoffs let’s all chill and see what happens
I don't ask this to be difficult, it's a genuine question and I'm interested in your answer.
What have you seen that has you expecting us to make the playoffs?
@Swisdom your post above implies that Ahadme was a specific Jones choice. Is that the case AFAYK, and did you hear about other strikers that were ahead of him in the list? ( there must have been a list, surely?)
Theo Bair was meant to be our first choice wasn't he? Ended up going to Auxerre for £1.6m + £500k in add ons so we were blown out of the water on that one
This who was meant to be our top target, but was out of our budget.
Make messi your target if you like, but unless you have half a chance in signing him it's smoke and mirror bollox.
I know people keep blaming Jones for getting rid of May, but wasn't he leaving regardless? Thought the wife stuff was the main reason for the move
I'm pretty sure that's BS and even if true he was under contract with 1 year left.... play out your deal and walk.
Not so sure. Mays face didn’t fit with Jones. One year left and a good price agreed with Birmingham. Increase in wages for May. Pretty obvious we’d have had a problem squaring that circle.
Which ties in with the bollox comment. 700k isn't and wasnt a good deal for AM as has been proven.
What's pretty obvious is that we chose to sell him and it might end up being the worse transfer decision in a decade.
What's insane is how plenty of people at the time just bought into it, no questions asked. Mental gymnastics trying to convince themselves May only scored penalties and that because we'd had a shit season, it was fine to let him go.
"Jones' style doesn't use small forwards" - Why are we persisting with playing Campbell out of position then?
@Swisdom your post above implies that Ahadme was a specific Jones choice. Is that the case AFAYK, and did you hear about other strikers that were ahead of him in the list? ( there must have been a list, surely?)
Theo Bair was meant to be our first choice wasn't he? Ended up going to Auxerre for £1.6m + £500k in add ons so we were blown out of the water on that one
This who was meant to be our top target, but was out of our budget.
And that illustrates my point, selling a proven striker is sooooo easy, and replacing him with someone better is hard, and take serious wage.
Of course May was interested when other clubs came sniffing. Why stay when its obvious the manager doesnt rate you?
@Swisdom your post above implies that Ahadme was a specific Jones choice. Is that the case AFAYK, and did you hear about other strikers that were ahead of him in the list? ( there must have been a list, surely?)
Theo Bair was meant to be our first choice wasn't he? Ended up going to Auxerre for £1.6m + £500k in add ons so we were blown out of the water on that one
This who was meant to be our top target, but was out of our budget.
And that illustrates my point, selling a proven striker is sooooo easy, and replacing him with someone better is hard, and take serious wage.
Of course May was interested when other clubs came sniffing. Why stay when its obvious the manager doesnt rate you?
Even if he did rate him, he wanted to go north, and earn a lot more money.. Can go around in circles about May, he isn't here..
Godden is May's replacement.. How many league goals had May scored by this time last season?
By the 1st October last year, May had 4 goals.. Godden has 3 over last minutes on the pitch.. That's not to say Godden will go on to score as many, but he will certainly score his fair share this season!
I know people keep blaming Jones for getting rid of May, but wasn't he leaving regardless? Thought the wife stuff was the main reason for the move
I'm pretty sure that's BS and even if true he was under contract with 1 year left.... play out your deal and walk.
Not so sure. Mays face didn’t fit with Jones. One year left and a good price agreed with Birmingham. Increase in wages for May. Pretty obvious we’d have had a problem squaring that circle.
Which ties in with the bollox comment. 700k isn't and wasnt a good deal for AM as has been proven.
What's pretty obvious is that we chose to sell him and it might end up being the worse transfer decision in a decade.
What's insane is how plenty of people at the time just bought into it, no questions asked. Mental gymnastics trying to convince themselves May only scored penalties and that because we'd had a shit season, it was fine to let him go.
"Jones' style doesn't use small forwards" - Why are we persisting with playing Campbell out of position then?
"May doesn't fit the system." - What system?
"Trust in Jones" - How's that playing out?
"They were good players but in a poor team" is one of the most infuriatingly illogical arguments wheeled out on here over the years, and that's going some.
Why are we so impatient as a fan group keeping on sacking the manager will get as no where as the recent past has shown us NJ came in last season and stopped the rot we had an impressive start this season and his reputation on here was great.
Now after just nine games people are calling for him to be sacked. I personally think he will turn this round and still expect us to make the playoffs let’s all chill and see what happens
It’s the style of play that’s so concerning. Trying to grind our way through games. Even if it took us up (it won’t without improvements) there’s little chance of competing in the Championship playing the same way.
I had hoped we’d progress from last season with some good signings, a fitter team, improved defending, set pieces and more attacking threat. We’ve seen some of those things until recently when most of it has fallen apart.
After each defeat Jones continues to talk about aggression and winning battles. He’s mentioned our attacking play too, but we’ve not seen any progress. His attempt to improve our possession and attacking play was to drop Mitchell for REG - defenders being comfortable on the ball helps, but our issues are far deeper than that and REG is hardly a stand out ball playing defender.
I’m not saying he needs to go now, but he does need to rethink this style of play. I’m not convinced the players want to play this way and that’s not going to lead to consistency and success.
I can't help but have a nagging feeling he brought in Campbell, Potts and Hylton to help him sell his vision to an increasingly sceptical squad. I also fear he may having to face up to the question, what do I do when what worked for me in the past no longer works. It's pointless calling for his head, for better or worse we need to give him a chance to turn it around. Ultimately though, it doesn't matter what the fans think, if we continue losing games the decision will be taken by the board. I fear the worst, but then I have long given up hope of a return to former glories, certainly within my lifetime. If somebody had asked me 15 or 20 years ago what is the worst I could wish upon Palace or Millwall, we have been fcuking living it.
@Swisdom your post above implies that Ahadme was a specific Jones choice. Is that the case AFAYK, and did you hear about other strikers that were ahead of him in the list? ( there must have been a list, surely?)
Theo Bair was meant to be our first choice wasn't he? Ended up going to Auxerre for £1.6m + £500k in add ons so we were blown out of the water on that one
This who was meant to be our top target, but was out of our budget.
And that illustrates my point, selling a proven striker is sooooo easy, and replacing him with someone better is hard, and take serious wage.
Of course May was interested when other clubs came sniffing. Why stay when its obvious the manager doesnt rate you?
It's probably not only that. People forget we hovered around the bottom half of the table and finished 16th last season, and then he suddenly had two newly relegated promotion favourites in for him.
Even if you take out the Jones factor, the lure of a decent wage increase combined with signing for a promotion chasing side would've been enough to sway a lot of players.
@Swisdom your post above implies that Ahadme was a specific Jones choice. Is that the case AFAYK, and did you hear about other strikers that were ahead of him in the list? ( there must have been a list, surely?)
Theo Bair was meant to be our first choice wasn't he? Ended up going to Auxerre for £1.6m + £500k in add ons so we were blown out of the water on that one
This who was meant to be our top target, but was out of our budget.
And that illustrates my point, selling a proven striker is sooooo easy, and replacing him with someone better is hard, and take serious wage.
Of course May was interested when other clubs came sniffing. Why stay when its obvious the manager doesnt rate you?
Even if he did rate him, he wanted to go north, and earn a lot more money.. Can go around in circles about May, he isn't here..
Godden is May's replacement.. How many league goals had May scored by this time last season?
By the 1st October last year, May had 4 goals.. Godden has 3 over last minutes on the pitch.. That's not to say Godden will go on to score as many, but he will certainly score his fair share this season!
With the 5 or 6 strikers we have on our books, something tells me that between them they do not get 30 goals.
As for Godden being May's replacement, I reckon he will fall well short of getting what May did.
Why are we so impatient as a fan group keeping on sacking the manager will get as no where as the recent past has shown us NJ came in last season and stopped the rot we had an impressive start this season and his reputation on here was great.
Now after just nine games people are calling for him to be sacked. I personally think he will turn this round and still expect us to make the playoffs let’s all chill and see what happens
It’s the style of play that’s so concerning. Trying to grind our way through games. Even if it took us up (it won’t without improvements) there’s little chance of competing in the Championship playing the same way.
I had hoped we’d progress from last season with some good signings, a fitter team, improved defending, set pieces and more attacking threat. We’ve seen some of those things until recently when most of it has fallen apart.
After each defeat Jones continues to talk about aggression and winning battles. He’s mentioned our attacking play too, but we’ve not seen any progress. His attempt to improve our possession and attacking play was to drop Mitchell for REG - defenders being comfortable on the ball helps, but our issues are far deeper than that and REG is hardly a stand out ball playing defender.
I’m not saying he needs to go now, but he does need to rethink this style of play. I’m not convinced the players want to play this way and that’s not going to lead to consistency and success.
I can't help but have a nagging feeling he brought in Campbell, Potts and Hylton to help him sell his vision to an increasingly sceptical squad. I also fear he may having to face up to the question, what do I do when what worked for me in the past no longer works. It's pointless calling for his head, for better or worse we need to give him a chance to turn it around. Ultimately though, it doesn't matter what the fans think, if we continue losing games the decision will be taken by the board. I fear the worst, but then I have long given up hope of a return to former glories, certainly within my lifetime. If somebody had asked me 15 or 20 years ago what is the worst I could wish upon Palace or Millwall, we have been fcuking living it.
Perhaps Jones has been short changed on the transfer money and he's brought in the Luton guys as he knows what he is getting.............and they are cheap.
@Swisdom your post above implies that Ahadme was a specific Jones choice. Is that the case AFAYK, and did you hear about other strikers that were ahead of him in the list? ( there must have been a list, surely?)
Theo Bair was meant to be our first choice wasn't he? Ended up going to Auxerre for £1.6m + £500k in add ons so we were blown out of the water on that one
This who was meant to be our top target, but was out of our budget.
And that illustrates my point, selling a proven striker is sooooo easy, and replacing him with someone better is hard, and take serious wage.
Of course May was interested when other clubs came sniffing. Why stay when its obvious the manager doesnt rate you?
Even if he did rate him, he wanted to go north, and earn a lot more money.. Can go around in circles about May, he isn't here..
Godden is May's replacement.. How many league goals had May scored by this time last season?
By the 1st October last year, May had 4 goals.. Godden has 3 over last minutes on the pitch.. That's not to say Godden will go on to score as many, but he will certainly score his fair share this season!
With the 5 or 6 strikers we have on our books, something tells me that between them they do not get 30 goals.
As for Godden being May's replacement, I reckon he will fall well short of getting what May did.
As Godden isn't playing as many minutes I don't think at the moment it's a fair comparison, if Matty now plays and starts the next 30, and is on pens, then yes its fair.
For those suggesting that changing the manager now (or soon) would be a recipe for success, history has some stories which would challenge that. In the more than 100 years that Charlton have been playing professionally, it's worth considering how many times a Chairman has changed a manager and seen that manager bring success, measured in promotion.
Many have tried. Almost every one has failed. In fact there are - if my sources are correct - just four Chairmen who have retained their position while a manager they appointed has gone on to win promotion. As they say in cricket, it's four with the power to add, because, presumably, James Rodwell will want to see his current manager go on to win promotion while he's still in the hot seat. But that's just four, out of twenty (depending on how it's counted). Four times in over a hundred years. That's once in a generation. (And two of those were related). It's very rare for a Charlton Chairman to achieve promotion with a manager he - or she - has appointed. So, question one for those people who insist that now is time to change manager: what gives you unshakeable faith that Rodwell will - with his next appointment - join such a select group?
Promotion-winning Charlton managers are also exceedingly rare. MacFarlane in tier 3. Seed in tier 3 and 2. Nelson and Bailey in tier 3. Lawrence and Curbishley in tier 2. Powell and ten appointments later, Bowyer, in tier 3. So, question two for those people who insist that now is the time to change manager: what gives you the unshakeable faith that Charlton is such an attractive, stable place for a successful manager to be the twelfth (temporary or permanent) manager since way back in 2021?
It's not easy getting promoted. It's even harder getting promoted immediately. Presumably those that are arguing that the result of yet another managerial change will bring immediate success. So, how often has that happened? About once every fifty years. In short, it occurred in the twentieth century as often as a world war. So, question three for those people who insist that now is the time to change manager: what gives you the unshakeable faith that the fluke of Alex MacFarlane's and Mike Bailey's appointments will be replicated in the coming weeks?
Successful Charlton managers success when they are given - among other things - time. List the greatest managers Charlton have ever had. And then think about how long it took them to achieve their first success. As @Stig pointed out on another thread, it took Jimmy Seed 1,081 days to achieve top flight football. Lennie Lawrence did it in 1,258. And Curbishley took 2,497. What success would we have had if they had been sacked in their first, full season? In fact, I will go further, if Jimmy Seed had been subjected to the impatience of Charlton's more recent past, we wouldn't have a Charlton now.
The worst decision Charlton could make right now would be to sack Nathan Jones.
For those suggesting that changing the manager now (or soon) would be a recipe for success, history has some stories which would challenge that. In the more than 100 years that Charlton have been playing professionally, it's worth considering how many times a Chairman has changed a manager and seen that manager bring success, measured in promotion.
Many have tried. Almost every one has failed. In fact there are - if my sources are correct - just four Chairmen who have retained their position while a manager they appointed has gone on to win promotion. As they say in cricket, it's four with the power to add, because, presumably, James Rodwell will want to see his current manager go on to win promotion while he's still in the hot seat. But that's just four, out of twenty (depending on how it's counted). Four times in over a hundred years. That's once in a generation. (And two of those were related). It's very rare for a Charlton Chairman to achieve promotion with a manager he - or she - has appointed. So, question one for those people who insist that now is time to change manager: what gives you unshakeable faith that Rodwell will - with his next appointment - join such a select group?
Promotion-winning Charlton managers are also exceedingly rare. MacFarlane in tier 3. Seed in tier 3 and 2. Nelson and Bailey in tier 3. Lawrence and Curbishley in tier 2. Powell and ten appointments later, Bowyer, in tier 3. So, question two for those people who insist that now is the time to change manager: what gives you the unshakeable faith that Charlton is such an attractive, stable place for a successful manager to be the twelfth (temporary or permanent) manager since way back in 2021?
It's not easy getting promoted. It's even harder getting promoted immediately. Presumably those that are arguing that the result of yet another managerial change will bring immediate success. So, how often has that happened? About once every fifty years. In short, it occurred in the twentieth century as often as a world war. So, question three for those people who insist that now is the time to change manager: what gives you the unshakeable faith that the fluke of Alex MacFarlane's and Mike Bailey's appointments will be replicated in the coming weeks?
Successful Charlton managers success when they are given - among other things - time. List the greatest managers Charlton have ever had. And then think about how long it took them to achieve their first success. As @Stig pointed out on another thread, it took Jimmy Seed 1,081 days to achieve top flight football. Lennie Lawrence did it in 1,258. And Curbishley took 2,497. What success would we have had if they had been sacked in their first, full season? In fact, I will go further, if Jimmy Seed had been subjected to the impatience of Charlton's more recent past, we wouldn't have a Charlton now.
The worst decision Charlton could make right now would be to sack Nathan Jones.
I'm not talking about promotion though. I'm talking about survival. In previous years I've laughed at the idea we'll go down (even when things have looked dire). This season? I think we're in a death-spiral already
For those suggesting that changing the manager now (or soon) would be a recipe for success, history has some stories which would challenge that. In the more than 100 years that Charlton have been playing professionally, it's worth considering how many times a Chairman has changed a manager and seen that manager bring success, measured in promotion.
Many have tried. Almost every one has failed. In fact there are - if my sources are correct - just four Chairmen who have retained their position while a manager they appointed has gone on to win promotion. As they say in cricket, it's four with the power to add, because, presumably, James Rodwell will want to see his current manager go on to win promotion while he's still in the hot seat. But that's just four, out of twenty (depending on how it's counted). Four times in over a hundred years. That's once in a generation. (And two of those were related). It's very rare for a Charlton Chairman to achieve promotion with a manager he - or she - has appointed. So, question one for those people who insist that now is time to change manager: what gives you unshakeable faith that Rodwell will - with his next appointment - join such a select group?
Promotion-winning Charlton managers are also exceedingly rare. MacFarlane in tier 3. Seed in tier 3 and 2. Nelson and Bailey in tier 3. Lawrence and Curbishley in tier 2. Powell and ten appointments later, Bowyer, in tier 3. So, question two for those people who insist that now is the time to change manager: what gives you the unshakeable faith that Charlton is such an attractive, stable place for a successful manager to be the twelfth (temporary or permanent) manager since way back in 2021?
It's not easy getting promoted. It's even harder getting promoted immediately. Presumably those that are arguing that the result of yet another managerial change will bring immediate success. So, how often has that happened? About once every fifty years. In short, it occurred in the twentieth century as often as a world war. So, question three for those people who insist that now is the time to change manager: what gives you the unshakeable faith that the fluke of Alex MacFarlane's and Mike Bailey's appointments will be replicated in the coming weeks?
Successful Charlton managers success when they are given - among other things - time. List the greatest managers Charlton have ever had. And then think about how long it took them to achieve their first success. As @Stig pointed out on another thread, it took Jimmy Seed 1,081 days to achieve top flight football. Lennie Lawrence did it in 1,258. And Curbishley took 2,497. What success would we have had if they had been sacked in their first, full season? In fact, I will go further, if Jimmy Seed had been subjected to the impatience of Charlton's more recent past, we wouldn't have a Charlton now.
The worst decision Charlton could make right now would be to sack Nathan Jones.
Theres one variable you are missing - quality of squad. I don't think this squad is good enough to get promoted, you could go on for 3000+ days with making no improvements and we would still be in league 1.
I think it would be bonkers to sack Jones now and even if we don't pick up a win in the next 2-3. It's his squad and he's definitely got it in him to turn it around. Whether his heart is in it with Cardiff job open is another matter.
If I was in the SMT I'd be asking for a public commitment.
I think it would be bonkers to sack Jones now and even if we don't pick up a win in the next 2-3. It's his squad and he's definitely got it in him to turn it around. Whether his heart is in it with Cardiff job open is another matter.
If I was in the SMT I'd be asking for a public commitment.
He made a public comment, and Jones confirmed that he is not interested at present, but maybe in the future. He could not have been more clear in his desire to stay with us.
Why are we so impatient as a fan group keeping on sacking the manager will get as no where as the recent past has shown us NJ came in last season and stopped the rot we had an impressive start this season and his reputation on here was great.
Now after just nine games people are calling for him to be sacked. I personally think he will turn this round and still expect us to make the playoffs let’s all chill and see what happens
I don't ask this to be difficult, it's a genuine question and I'm interested in your answer.
What have you seen that has you expecting us to make the playoffs?
I think Blackpool were the best team I have seen but although I have been to all the home games only seen the Reading and Stevenage away games live and I have not seen anything that tells me that the solid performance against Bolton if repeated would see us winning against these teams also I am hopeful that Miles returning to the side will help Also we surely cannot continue to have the same ratio of excellent strikes from outside the box scoring against us that we do at present. I know we haven’t yet played Birmingham and some of the other perceived top teams yet I still have hope for this season. My optimism may well be misplaced but let’s see. The style of football under NJ is pragmatic and is hardly exciting but I think it can be effective in this division
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I had hoped we’d progress from last season with some good signings, a fitter team, improved defending, set pieces and more attacking threat. We’ve seen some of those things until recently when most of it has fallen apart.
After each defeat Jones continues to talk about aggression and winning battles. He’s mentioned our attacking play too, but we’ve not seen any progress. His attempt to improve our possession and attacking play was to drop Mitchell for REG - defenders being comfortable on the ball helps, but our issues are far deeper than that and REG is hardly a stand out ball playing defender.
I’m not saying he needs to go now, but he does need to rethink this style of play. I’m not convinced the players want to play this way and that’s not going to lead to consistency and success.
What's pretty obvious is that we chose to sell him and it might end up being the worse transfer decision in a decade.
Why would the ownership get involved in team selection, and none of there business really, how Jones dropped or why he dropped Mitchell.
Not sure why it is all looping back around to the ownership at the moment, Jones was seen by most as a good appointment, he has been given the tools, which failing him at the moment. I am not sure sacking him is the right answer at the moment, and he will turn it around.. The issue is, he clearly needs to change the style of play. Look at the teams that have been successful over the last few years, they have been possession based football.
I believe Jones will turn this around, and we have good enough players to turn it around.. But promotion is going to be a tough ask now, that's for sure!
What have you seen that has you expecting us to make the playoffs?
"Jones' style doesn't use small forwards" - Why are we persisting with playing Campbell out of position then?
"May doesn't fit the system." - What system?
"Trust in Jones" - How's that playing out?
Of course May was interested when other clubs came sniffing. Why stay when its obvious the manager doesnt rate you?
Godden is May's replacement.. How many league goals had May scored by this time last season?
By the 1st October last year, May had 4 goals.. Godden has 3 over last minutes on the pitch.. That's not to say Godden will go on to score as many, but he will certainly score his fair share this season!
I also fear he may having to face up to the question, what do I do when what worked for me in the past no longer works.
It's pointless calling for his head, for better or worse we need to give him a chance to turn it around.
Ultimately though, it doesn't matter what the fans think, if we continue losing games the decision will be taken by the board.
I fear the worst, but then I have long given up hope of a return to former glories, certainly within my lifetime.
If somebody had asked me 15 or 20 years ago what is the worst I could wish upon Palace or Millwall, we have been fcuking living it.
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Even if you take out the Jones factor, the lure of a decent wage increase combined with signing for a promotion chasing side would've been enough to sway a lot of players.
Perhaps Jones has been short changed on the transfer money and he's brought in the Luton guys as he knows what he is getting.............and they are cheap.
Many have tried. Almost every one has failed. In fact there are - if my sources are correct - just four Chairmen who have retained their position while a manager they appointed has gone on to win promotion. As they say in cricket, it's four with the power to add, because, presumably, James Rodwell will want to see his current manager go on to win promotion while he's still in the hot seat. But that's just four, out of twenty (depending on how it's counted). Four times in over a hundred years. That's once in a generation. (And two of those were related). It's very rare for a Charlton Chairman to achieve promotion with a manager he - or she - has appointed. So, question one for those people who insist that now is time to change manager: what gives you unshakeable faith that Rodwell will - with his next appointment - join such a select group?
Promotion-winning Charlton managers are also exceedingly rare. MacFarlane in tier 3. Seed in tier 3 and 2. Nelson and Bailey in tier 3. Lawrence and Curbishley in tier 2. Powell and ten appointments later, Bowyer, in tier 3. So, question two for those people who insist that now is the time to change manager: what gives you the unshakeable faith that Charlton is such an attractive, stable place for a successful manager to be the twelfth (temporary or permanent) manager since way back in 2021?
It's not easy getting promoted. It's even harder getting promoted immediately. Presumably those that are arguing that the result of yet another managerial change will bring immediate success. So, how often has that happened? About once every fifty years. In short, it occurred in the twentieth century as often as a world war. So, question three for those people who insist that now is the time to change manager: what gives you the unshakeable faith that the fluke of Alex MacFarlane's and Mike Bailey's appointments will be replicated in the coming weeks?
Successful Charlton managers success when they are given - among other things - time. List the greatest managers Charlton have ever had. And then think about how long it took them to achieve their first success. As @Stig pointed out on another thread, it took Jimmy Seed 1,081 days to achieve top flight football. Lennie Lawrence did it in 1,258. And Curbishley took 2,497. What success would we have had if they had been sacked in their first, full season? In fact, I will go further, if Jimmy Seed had been subjected to the impatience of Charlton's more recent past, we wouldn't have a Charlton now.
The worst decision Charlton could make right now would be to sack Nathan Jones.
A very sensible post.
If I was in the SMT I'd be asking for a public commitment.
He made a public comment, and Jones confirmed that he is not interested at present, but maybe in the future. He could not have been more clear in his desire to stay with us.