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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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And yet it’s not as simple as you make out. Yes, I’m sure NJ in hindsight regrets playing wingers as wing backs. Not doing so would have changed the score but probably not the result. Playing a team on a hot streak with this lineup was always going to be a challenge:golfaddick said:
My plan B doesn't entail our owners spending money (and they cant before Jan 2nd) and its crass of anyone to think that.SouthLincsAddick said:I wish Golfie had a plan B. Imagine, he could say something that wasn’t dependent on our owners pouring unlimited and unrealistic funds into the club.
Just use the players you have in the positions they are known for. That means not playing Apter as a wingback and if it means giving up your 532 for a couple of weeks then so be it. Then when Bell, Edwards & Burke are fit again go back to your tried & trusted formation.
Not fucking rocket science is it.
Armstrong £22m
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Your oversimplification of every situation coupled with your ‘I know best and everyone else are idiots’ attitude does come over as serious WUM vibes.
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Powell’s promotion was the least impressive from a managerial achievement imo. We had a huge budget vs the competition, whereas Bowyer and Jones had decent budgets but not amongst the top few teams in the league. They were all obviously very impressive, but Jones and Bowyer achieved theirs with a lot lessJustFloydRoad said:superdulvertonred said:Nathan is the best manager we have had since Curbs. Saturday doesn’t change that.Probably too far the other way.Get Charlton to the Premier League then he is on Curbs level- at the moment he is Lee Bowyer level at best. (Chris Powell won League One, so that'll have to go down as the best Promotion from that league).However I would agree with this statement should he keep us up this + next season. (beating Milwall wouldn't harm his reputation as well)
Jones also inherited a much worse situation than the other 2 did, we were seriously looking at league 2 when he took over.
If Jones keeps us up this season he goes to number 1 for me. Championship is a much tougher league nowadays too
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I don't think you can set a record points total and have it be the least impressive. Powell's skill that season was in identifying the right players rather than huge expenditure. We had money but the kind of players we signed weren't that high profile; unwanted backup keeper from the division above, centre back free transfer from a middling L1 side, centre back unwanted at a promotion rival, comedy free transfer striker, cheap midfield purchase from a struggling L1 club, free striker from a L1 side, free midfielder from a L1 side. Only really getting Wiggins from Bournemouth and beating some other teams to Danny Green felt like quite big pulls at the time. We mostly either took advantage of expiring contracts or identified players who hadn't succeeded elsewhere as suitable for us. The Jenkinson fee covered most of the transfer outlay. It was a different time for fees and I do think that L1 had a lot more contrast in terms of quality in it but Powell got the team playing excellent cohesive football from the first match and repeatedly got results against the top sides; I think we got 20 out of 30 points off 2nd-6th that season and that was with needing to sign a completely new team as the previous one was so bad it had been almost entirely binned off. Bowyer didn't get many signings and used the loan market well but he did come in to a side that had Pearce, Bauer, Sarr, Solly, Aribo, Reeves and Vetokele. He also had Grant, Phillips and Dijksteel emerging at the perfect time, though he can take credit for their development. Powell had to start over, it was only BWP, Jackson and Wagstaff who were remotely serviceable for the first team and he gave Solly his first proper run at the first team.NabySarr said:
Powell’s promotion was the least impressive from a managerial achievement imo. We had a huge budget vs the competition, whereas Bowyer and Jones had decent budgets but not amongst the top few teams in the league. They were all obviously very impressive, but Jones and Bowyer achieved theirs with a lot lessJustFloydRoad said:superdulvertonred said:Nathan is the best manager we have had since Curbs. Saturday doesn’t change that.Probably too far the other way.Get Charlton to the Premier League then he is on Curbs level- at the moment he is Lee Bowyer level at best. (Chris Powell won League One, so that'll have to go down as the best Promotion from that league).However I would agree with this statement should he keep us up this + next season. (beating Milwall wouldn't harm his reputation as well)
Jones also inherited a much worse situation than the other 2 did, we were seriously looking at league 2 when he took over.
If Jones keeps us up this season he goes to number 1 for me. Championship is a much tougher league nowadays too
If Jones keeps us up it will be impressive but the situation will be fully reversed; Jones has had some decent investment this season whereas Powell had absolutely nothing in 12/13, we paid a fee for Lawrie Wilson, deferred a fee for Button and then shifted him in time to recoup the cost and only added Fuller, Dervite and the L2 if you're lucky level Jordan Cook and Salim Kerkar on frees. He finished 9th in the Championship with almost the same squad he had in L1 which was pretty incredible. They're all very impressive achievements but Powell's ability to put that 11/12 squad together in one summer and make it the best L1 side ever at the time was incredible and it was a lot more about his judgment and management than it was money9 -
Was at the game. It wasn't much fun but I thought the fans stuck with the lads well overall. These sort of games can happen and we didn't really cope with their runners. We needed a Josh Edwards to clunk into them higher up the pitch. In all honesty, it didn't bother me as much as a one nil would. I know Southampton will have taken their foot of the gas, but we should have had two pens IMO in the second half. I was pleased that we lost that game and the crapness of the officials didn't affect that. I would say the refs assistant who missed obvious things put on an even worse performance than us. We cannot be critical of Jones in any way whatsover. They have Premier League level players who have not been playing at that level but have been finding their feet and they played to their level on Saturday. 100% behind Jones and the lads, they are so much in credit with us fans.2
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Some twat who left after 65 minutes was shouting to the players, your all shit, what is wrong with people.0
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NabySarr said:
Powell’s promotion was the least impressive from a managerial achievement imo. We had a huge budget vs the competition, whereas Bowyer and Jones had decent budgets but not amongst the top few teams in the league. They were all obviously very impressive, but Jones and Bowyer achieved theirs with a lot lessJustFloydRoad said:superdulvertonred said:Nathan is the best manager we have had since Curbs. Saturday doesn’t change that.Probably too far the other way.Get Charlton to the Premier League then he is on Curbs level- at the moment he is Lee Bowyer level at best. (Chris Powell won League One, so that'll have to go down as the best Promotion from that league).However I would agree with this statement should he keep us up this + next season. (beating Milwall wouldn't harm his reputation as well)
Jones also inherited a much worse situation than the other 2 did, we were seriously looking at league 2 when he took over.
If Jones keeps us up this season he goes to number 1 for me. Championship is a much tougher league nowadays too
He pretty much changed the entire squad that summer, bought a whole load of low value players and got them to gel into a record points setting squad of players immediately. It was a stunning achievement.2 -
I'm with GA on this one. Irrespective of the opposition or their hot streak, if your pride and/or insistence on playing a certain way dictates the positions as opposed to the players available, then you've a problem.SouthLincsAddick said:
And yet it’s not as simple as you make out. Yes, I’m sure NJ in hindsight regrets playing wingers as wing backs. Not doing so would have changed the score but probably not the result. Playing a team on a hot streak with this lineup was always going to be a challenge:golfaddick said:
My plan B doesn't entail our owners spending money (and they cant before Jan 2nd) and its crass of anyone to think that.SouthLincsAddick said:I wish Golfie had a plan B. Imagine, he could say something that wasn’t dependent on our owners pouring unlimited and unrealistic funds into the club.
Just use the players you have in the positions they are known for. That means not playing Apter as a wingback and if it means giving up your 532 for a couple of weeks then so be it. Then when Bell, Edwards & Burke are fit again go back to your tried & trusted formation.
Not fucking rocket science is it.
Armstrong £22m
Azaz £17m
Jander £14m
Fellows £11m
Scienza £9m
Your oversimplification of every situation coupled with your ‘I know best and everyone else are idiots’ attitude does come over as serious WUM vibes.0 -
Anton Chekhov had a character say, in one of his short stories:CoveredEndAndy said:Some twat who left after 65 minutes was shouting to the players, your all shit, what is wrong with people.
'Pessimism or optimism have nothing to do with it. The point is ninety-nine people out of a hundred have no brains.'1 -
I can’t quite believe you think NJ has a problem, when this problem has got us promoted and competing in the Championship despite a huge financial disadvantage. Were you and Golfie the two supporters that thought Curbs had taken us as far as he could?WasCharleyOne said:
I'm with GA on this one. Irrespective of the opposition or their hot streak, if your pride and/or insistence on playing a certain way dictates the positions as opposed to the players available, then you've a problem.SouthLincsAddick said:
And yet it’s not as simple as you make out. Yes, I’m sure NJ in hindsight regrets playing wingers as wing backs. Not doing so would have changed the score but probably not the result. Playing a team on a hot streak with this lineup was always going to be a challenge:golfaddick said:
My plan B doesn't entail our owners spending money (and they cant before Jan 2nd) and its crass of anyone to think that.SouthLincsAddick said:I wish Golfie had a plan B. Imagine, he could say something that wasn’t dependent on our owners pouring unlimited and unrealistic funds into the club.
Just use the players you have in the positions they are known for. That means not playing Apter as a wingback and if it means giving up your 532 for a couple of weeks then so be it. Then when Bell, Edwards & Burke are fit again go back to your tried & trusted formation.
Not fucking rocket science is it.
Armstrong £22m
Azaz £17m
Jander £14m
Fellows £11m
Scienza £9m
Your oversimplification of every situation coupled with your ‘I know best and everyone else are idiots’ attitude does come over as serious WUM vibes.1 -
Firstly, who do you think you are assuming anything? Personally, I was mortified at the comments aimed at Curbs and even more so when he left. Secondly, Curbs was prepared to change his system. It's not for nothing that we have the idiom "square pegs for round holes". I think NJ has done AND IS DOING a wonderful job; I will, however, disagree with playing players out of position. We disagree? I won't lose sleep over it. Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one.SouthLincsAddick said:
I can’t quite believe you think NJ has a problem, when this problem has got us promoted and competing in the Championship despite a huge financial disadvantage. Were you and Golfie the two supporters that thought Curbs had taken us as far as he could?WasCharleyOne said:
I'm with GA on this one. Irrespective of the opposition or their hot streak, if your pride and/or insistence on playing a certain way dictates the positions as opposed to the players available, then you've a problem.SouthLincsAddick said:
And yet it’s not as simple as you make out. Yes, I’m sure NJ in hindsight regrets playing wingers as wing backs. Not doing so would have changed the score but probably not the result. Playing a team on a hot streak with this lineup was always going to be a challenge:golfaddick said:
My plan B doesn't entail our owners spending money (and they cant before Jan 2nd) and its crass of anyone to think that.SouthLincsAddick said:I wish Golfie had a plan B. Imagine, he could say something that wasn’t dependent on our owners pouring unlimited and unrealistic funds into the club.
Just use the players you have in the positions they are known for. That means not playing Apter as a wingback and if it means giving up your 532 for a couple of weeks then so be it. Then when Bell, Edwards & Burke are fit again go back to your tried & trusted formation.
Not fucking rocket science is it.
Armstrong £22m
Azaz £17m
Jander £14m
Fellows £11m
Scienza £9m
Your oversimplification of every situation coupled with your ‘I know best and everyone else are idiots’ attitude does come over as serious WUM vibes.0 -
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Good god. The lack of respect for history/ recency bias on this stuff does my head in.NabySarr said:
Powell’s promotion was the least impressive from a managerial achievement imo. We had a huge budget vs the competition, whereas Bowyer and Jones had decent budgets but not amongst the top few teams in the league. They were all obviously very impressive, but Jones and Bowyer achieved theirs with a lot lessJustFloydRoad said:superdulvertonred said:Nathan is the best manager we have had since Curbs. Saturday doesn’t change that.Probably too far the other way.Get Charlton to the Premier League then he is on Curbs level- at the moment he is Lee Bowyer level at best. (Chris Powell won League One, so that'll have to go down as the best Promotion from that league).However I would agree with this statement should he keep us up this + next season. (beating Milwall wouldn't harm his reputation as well)
Jones also inherited a much worse situation than the other 2 did, we were seriously looking at league 2 when he took over.
If Jones keeps us up this season he goes to number 1 for me. Championship is a much tougher league nowadays too
this is what Powell inherited, and turned into a 100 point team in 4 months, before as others have pointed out taking us close to the playoffs with no business whatsoever in the summer.
put some respect on the man’s name.
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Apologies for the Curbs remark, no need to mention that (not for Golfie though)WasCharleyOne said:
Firstly, who do you think you are assuming anything? Personally, I was mortified at the comments aimed at Curbs and even more so when he left. Secondly, Curbs was prepared to change his system. It's not for nothing that we have the idiom "square pegs for round holes". I think NJ has done AND IS DOING a wonderful job; I will, however, disagree with playing players out of position. We disagree? I won't lose sleep over it. Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one.SouthLincsAddick said:
I can’t quite believe you think NJ has a problem, when this problem has got us promoted and competing in the Championship despite a huge financial disadvantage. Were you and Golfie the two supporters that thought Curbs had taken us as far as he could?WasCharleyOne said:
I'm with GA on this one. Irrespective of the opposition or their hot streak, if your pride and/or insistence on playing a certain way dictates the positions as opposed to the players available, then you've a problem.SouthLincsAddick said:
And yet it’s not as simple as you make out. Yes, I’m sure NJ in hindsight regrets playing wingers as wing backs. Not doing so would have changed the score but probably not the result. Playing a team on a hot streak with this lineup was always going to be a challenge:golfaddick said:
My plan B doesn't entail our owners spending money (and they cant before Jan 2nd) and its crass of anyone to think that.SouthLincsAddick said:I wish Golfie had a plan B. Imagine, he could say something that wasn’t dependent on our owners pouring unlimited and unrealistic funds into the club.
Just use the players you have in the positions they are known for. That means not playing Apter as a wingback and if it means giving up your 532 for a couple of weeks then so be it. Then when Bell, Edwards & Burke are fit again go back to your tried & trusted formation.
Not fucking rocket science is it.
Armstrong £22m
Azaz £17m
Jander £14m
Fellows £11m
Scienza £9m
Your oversimplification of every situation coupled with your ‘I know best and everyone else are idiots’ attitude does come over as serious WUM vibes.Look, we have an injury crisis, we’re having to play players out of position. I’ve no idea why he won’t play Rankin-Costello who has played wing back before, but the man sees him play every day in training and obviously doesn’t see it in him. We also have a far weaker and cheaper squad than any other team in the division. The start NJ managed to get this season has been incredible, built on a team ethic, unfortunately we’re being found out but it’s a lot later in the season that I thought it would happen.1
