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MATCH THREAD: Southend Utd v Charlton Athletic: FACR1 Saturday 2nd Nov 2024: KO 15:00 [+post p24]
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Eyes in the back of his head, Prague.PragueAddick said:
Well I agree he’s got good vision, but he’s literally got his back to the ball, how did he know to put that arm up?Ben18 said:Just watched the highlights, I thought the penalty decision was fine.
Taylor throws his arm up behind him, and in a very unnatural position as it blocks the ball.
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Funny really, reading the usual suspects criticisms on here today of pretty much everything and everyone involved with CAFC, you'd never see them describe two superb deliveries and headers, an out of this world reaction save by Mannion, a really daft penalty call and two ridiculous deflections. You certainly would not know about a sublime shielding, half turn and strike from yet another allegedly useless player, which won us the game.
Nowt queer as folk.
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You can't blame Mannion for any of those3
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His hand couldn’t be in a more unnatural position. How is it not a penalty , oh let’s just go in to a starfish position and make ourselves as big as possible and look the other way14 -
So who was taking a pen if we got there?
I’m guessing Godden, Ahadme, Hylton, Gillesphey and Docherty…2 -
Edwards strikes a nice ballCallumcafc said:So who was taking a pen if we got there?
I’m guessing Godden, Ahadme, Hylton, Gillesphey and Docherty…0 -
Throats still knackered, so some muted celebrations, but at least we avoided the embarrassment of a cupset.
Thought Southend played well and looked really up to it, on the other hand, I thought we looked really poor, and you'd never guess two whole leagues separate us. Not sure if that's credit to them, or poor from us.
Had an absolute nightmare parking and severely underestimated how hard it would be to find a cushty parking spot near the ground.
Absolutely class finish from Ahadme! Goal of the season so far for me, and it will take some beating. The circumstances, the fashion of the goal, and the technique, pure beauty. Very happy for him, as he's got a big contract here, and hope that's the start to build his confidence up, well in Gas.
Final note, on the Maccies services on the way back, I bumped into none other than Nathan Jones! I've got a real knack for this now, and at some point I assume I'll be accused of being a Charlton team stalker. Anyway, I just said hello to him, said thank fuck for that and thank christ for Gassans goal, he looked a bit deflated tbh and just agreed. I didn't want to interrupt him too much as he was sitting at a table with a few people, not sure if family? Said to him cheers again on the way out and that was that.
I think he's alright, second time I've bumped into him now and he's fairly approachable. I know we aren't much better off this season than last, but there are improvements (even if slight) and we need to stick with a manager at some point.
Happy to be in the hat. Happy weekend ladies and gents
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You can’t sugar coat it though mate. That was pretty dire. Obviously there were some moments of individual skill and reaction. They’re professional footballers. But the creativity, especially from midfield and out wide just wasn’t there. We just seemed to lack the basics. I’m surprised. With the players we’ve brought in and also the ones we’ve kept around I would have thought we’d be playing a better game.Major said:
Funny really, reading the usual suspects criticisms on here today of pretty much everything and everyone involved with CAFC, you'd never see them describe two superb deliveries and headers, an out of this world reaction save by Mannion, a really daft penalty call and two ridiculous deflections. You certainly would not know about a sublime shielding, half turn and strike from yet another allegedly useless player, which won us the game.
Nowt queer as folk.8 -
I'm in Greenwich too, and can't watch.charltonbob said:
Hmm not in my location they're not. Where am I Papua New Guinea ? Timbuktu ? No exotic Greenwich & I can't watch the BBC highlightsForeverAddickted said:
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Posting after watching the replays
Two excellent goals to put us 2-0 up. Having Taylor on set pieces really does make a difference.
Harsh penalty, but it clearly hits his arm and that is the letter of the law now I believe?
Two nasty deflections for their other two goals. I think it's really harsh to blame our keeper for either of them.
Great to see Gas get a goal while Leaburn and Godden should be our first choice forwards.
The cynic in me is saying we've conceded three goals against a non league team but with one being a penalty and two nasty deflections it's hard to get too grumpy about it. The positives are we kept going and showed some fight it seems. These away cup ties against lower league teams can be tricky as we know so let's put that down as a good win and prepare for Exeter next week which is another huge game!9 -
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LouisMend said:
The press facilities at Southend are extremely tight. Four different commentary teams all sat on top of each other, behind a glass window.killerandflash said:
On the Charlton TV commentary we could hear you and Charlotte in the background!LouisMend said:
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Under the current laws of the game, it was more of a penalty than it wasn't. I don't think we can complain. For me, we seem to be a different team away from home. That is probably the biggest question Jones has to get into.1
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It was a classic banana skin game. We won. Our three fit strikers scored and, as a bonus, so did Zach. 9 goals in 8 days, so unlike Charlton in recent years, even with Alfie.. The unbeaten run in all competitions extended to 6 games and counting and hopefully one game closer to Jones coming back from injury. Onwards and upwards.3
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Fair but the counter argument would be to ask WHY they aren't at the level he wants. What is he doing/saying in training to actually get them up to that level because frankly I don't actually care what he EXPECTS them to do I care how they actually play and its been substandard for a while now.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
I've watched that and then am commenting straight away without reading others' posts....Scoham said:NJ post match interview
https://x.com/cafcofficial/status/1852784300787179582?s=46&t=A-w3Eq0EWWpjMxring904Q
... listening to NJ, I am heartened by the fact that - as in previous weeks - he really goes in strong on the fact that the team aren't performing to the standards he expects
I've read a fair few people on here saying that we arent good enough and that he is the wrong manager for us and/or he isn't doing a good job. Hopefully, those people see value in the fact that he isn't trying to make excuses or sugar coat. He knows it isn't good enough. Given time and support, I think he'll get us to the levels we aspire to.10 -
I’m more concerned that he drinks wine in bedSillybilly said:
Never his fault is it?Scoham said:NJ post match interview
https://x.com/cafcofficial/status/1852784300787179582?s=46&t=A-w3Eq0EWWpjMxring904Q1 -
The defending by both teams is comical.0
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From that still I agree it looks a penalty - But hadn't he stumbled and his arms were windmilling as he tried to keep his balance / get back up?oohaahmortimer said:His hand couldn’t be in a more unnatural position. How is it not a penalty , oh let’s just go in to a starfish position and make ourselves as big as possible and look the other way
Difficult one for the referee regardless of the decision I think2 -
I still think a flat 442 would work Powell style with TC on the left and maybe Terry Taylor on the right. Terry whipping in balls like becks to leaburn, Godden, Gas and Aneke.2
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Glad we got through but there are a few things that are positive and negative for me. The loss of Ramsay and Jones is having an impact right across the side, we have lost aggression, not only in the back four but in midfield as well, Steve Brown mentioned the loss of the art of defending yesterday, that first headed challenge anywhere on the pitch can dictate the next pattern of play and against Wrexham and Southend, too many players are not aggressive enough to win that battle. A lot of people are asking for a creative player to arrive in the transfer window, I'm not so sure that a 'Bakinson' type player would not be a bad thing either. Great goals from Leaburn and Ahadme and with three of the five strikers being fit it gives Jones a welcome problem, can he go with a front line of Ahadme, Leaburn and Godden ? I think Miles, in the past has played off the main striker and been very successful in that role. On to Exeter and hopefully an improvement because against Wrexham and Southend, I don't think the side defended well or dominated the middle at all.1
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Nailed on Pen IMO. The ref has to assume that he has made himself bigger, whether he is facing the ball or not.PragueAddick said:
Well I agree he’s got good vision, but he’s literally got his back to the ball, how did he know to put that arm up?Ben18 said:Just watched the highlights, I thought the penalty decision was fine.
Taylor throws his arm up behind him, and in a very unnatural position as it blocks the ball.3 -
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Instead of continually talking about how the standards aren't up to what he expects why doesn't he do something about it?Siv_in_Norfolk said:
I've watched that and then am commenting straight away without reading others' posts....Scoham said:NJ post match interview
https://x.com/cafcofficial/status/1852784300787179582?s=46&t=A-w3Eq0EWWpjMxring904Q
... listening to NJ, I am heartened by the fact that - as in previous weeks - he really goes in strong on the fact that the team aren't performing to the standards he expects
I've read a fair few people on here saying that we arent good enough and that he is the wrong manager for us and/or he isn't doing a good job. Hopefully, those people see value in the fact that he isn't trying to make excuses or sugar coat. He knows it isn't good enough. Given time and support, I think he'll get us to the levels we aspire to.0 -
It’s related to expectations. Southend would be happy in League One just as we would be satisfied to be in The Championship. Man Utd fans would consider The Championship to be a nightmare.Wheresmeticket said:
You did well. We didn't.shrimperama said:Good luck for the rest of the season and the next round of the cup.
We gave you a proper game today and pushed you all the way.
Think leaburn was the difference. He looks a proper forward.
We can concentrate on getting out of the nightmare that is the national league.
All the best
BTW what you are saying about the National League? We've been saying that about L1 for a looong time.
However, I am starting to think that League One really is the cesspit of cheating and timewasting. Kettering were winning by one goal against Northampton yesterday evening but the extra time was still entertaining at 2-1. Did anyone else think, like me, that, if that had been in League One, Kettering would have spent most of it going down holding their heads in agony or having a few goalkeeper injuries?2 -
I love the FA Cup. It always throws up matches like this. Classic dynamic of big team plays 10% below their level, small team plays 5% above their level, chuck in a full ground and pen just before 1/2 time. Year after year there are three or four games like this in the first and second rounds - thankfully it was a crazy cup game and the last min celebrations were ours!5
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Glad to be in the next round but we made very hard work of it. It was a lovely header from Leaburn (didn’t appreciate how good it was at the time given the view of the opposite end of the pitch isn’t amazing from the away end). That’s two goals in two games so hopefully he’s getting some momentum now.Issues with our midfield remain, the fact that we couldn’t really control the game in the middle against non-league opposition is really concerning. I’m not entirely sure what the answer is as we’ve signed quite a few players in this area and they seem to range from pretty terrible looking (A.Campbell) to really hit and miss (Berry) to decent (but not amazing) (Coventry). I think the solution is probably a change of formation and a starting spot for Taylor in league matches. I was sceptical when people were so adamant that he should be given a chance but what I’ve seen in the last couple go matches has won me over a bit.Can’t read huge amounts into cup matches, they are always a bit weird because the dynamics are different, but my pessimism about this teams ability to make to playoffs this year, let alone win get promoted, isn’t getting any better as the season goes on.Enjoyed the day, I like the ramshackle nature of their ground. It feels like a time back to the 1970’s.5
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Part timers?carly burn said:
Our midfield is non f*******g existent more like!ShootersHillGuru said:Just watched highlights and my conclusion is that our defence is fecking clueless.
Bullied about again by a bunch of part timers this time.
And when you look to the bench it's much of the same.
How did Jones get this paramount part of the jigsaw so wrong??3 -
“We are in the lap of the Gods and praise the Lord, he was shining on us.”
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Agree. It's the kind of chance that would have been taken by Alf.... ah forget it.golfaddick said:
As much as I like Godden he simply has to do better with that 1on 1 chance. No need to blast it. Just place it in the far corner.ForeverAddickted said:4 -
Didn't see any of it but the important thing is we won and our strikers scoring should give them confidence for a run of winnable games. A cliche but this was a real banana skin - this time last year we couldn't beat Cray Wanderers, a team way below Southend in the pyramid, at home!2
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There’s progress right there , currently 12th when we finished 16th last season , things are looking upcrookester said:this time last year we couldn't beat Cray Wanderers, a team way below Southend in the pyramid, at home!
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