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MATCH THREAD: Southend Utd v Charlton Athletic: FACR1 Saturday 2nd Nov 2024: KO 15:00 [+post p24]
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C'mon Golfie, don't be so negative mate...
Apart from Stockport, which we know was a disaster, the other two draws, away at Barnsley and Wrexham at home were ok, the other two wins...we can only play those in front of us...lifes not quite a bowl of cherries, but not as bleak as you paint it...and come this Saturday, a chance to get back to winning ways at Exeter...2 -
We won...
How would we feel if we were Northampton fans?
Playing at home, against local rivals, who are 4 leagues below them...
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They must be wandering around "all Charlton like" this morning.SteveACS said:We won...
How would we feel if we were Northampton fans?
Playing at home, against local rivals, who are 4 leagues below them...
And lose!3 -
Why is there any debate about the penalty it was the most stonewall penalty you could ever see
As my old man used to say he had the lace out of it7 -
Cracking quote by your Dad - I’m gonna log that in the memory bank and use it myself 😃Southendaddick said:Why is there any debate about the penalty it was the most stonewall penalty you could ever see
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Only seen brief highlights but penalty incident was shown I think 3 times. I think most fair supporters would say it was a penalty. If at the other end we would be incensed if not given ! We still look lightweight and although they scored with deflected goals our defence looked weak. Impossible to think we could be Top 6 by end season and worryingly even if promoted we would be soon back down. The thought of Millwall thrashing us is too much to bear thinking about.
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There seems to be a lot of huffing and puffing on here over your performance, and to be fair we do it as well, but the bottom line is you are in the hat for the 2nd round draw. I would have been quite happy to play like total tossers and still win to get to that point. Fact, you didn't play like total tossers, but you did allow us play to the top of our current abilities. So get excited for the draw tomorrow, I wish it was us you lucky gits. Good luck.45
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I wasn’t at the game so can’t comment on the performance but the objective is surely going through to the next round and we’ve done that. I watched Real Birmingham today at Sutton Utd and they did the bare minimum to win, Stansfield didn’t look like a 10m plus footballer either. But they too went through. I was at Northwich when we got knocked out by a non league team, now that was a poor performance. Barcelona, sorry mighty Wrexham, currently losing at Harrogate. They might go out. We are through. Rejoice in a possible cup run. And at least NJ took it seriously putting out a strong team. I wouldn’t have bothered to go if at The Valley as normally it’s stiffs and kids and we get turned over. Remember the debacle against CVPM? Cup shocks happen, thankfully not yesterday.6
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Similar view initially as I was at the game and I was directly in line with Taylor and thought it hit his hip.AddicksAddict said:
At first, I thought the penalty decision was a joke, but having watched it a few more times on replay I think the referee got it right.Off_it said:
"DEFINITELY intentional handball"? You know what he was thinking at the time? Have a guess what I'm thinking now.jimmymelrose said:
Because if you stick your arm out behind you, you stand a fair chance of blocking the cross. It’s definitely intentional handball. Nobody needs to stick an arm out backwards like that; he’s not using it like that to keep his balance.PragueAddick said:
Well I agree he’s got good vision, but he’s literally got his back to the ball, how did he know to put that arm up?Ben18 said:Just watched the highlights, I thought the penalty decision was fine.
Taylor throws his arm up behind him, and in a very unnatural position as it blocks the ball.
Anyway, "intentional" doesnt come into the equation these days.
Seeing it this morning I thought it was slightly harsh but would want it the other way round. The game changer was goddens miss and this on the stroke of HT.0 -
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Entirety selfishly, Harrogate away in round 2 please…5
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Clearly the bare minimum objective was to get through to the next round. But the performance fit a pattern we’ve seen in league matches recently of us being fairly ineffective in the middle and leaking goals. Just because we’ve had atrocious results in the cup before we shouldn’t let that become the benchmark, ultimately our best team should be making fairly easy work of a non-league side.LargeAddick said:I wasn’t at the game so can’t comment on the performance but the objective is surely going through to the next round and we’ve done that. I watched Real Birmingham today at Sutton Utd and they did the bare minimum to win, Stansfield didn’t look like a 10m plus footballer either. But they too went through. I was at Northwich when we got knocked out by a non league team, now that was a poor performance. Barcelona, sorry mighty Wrexham, currently losing at Harrogate. They might go out. We are through. Rejoice in a possible cup run. And at least NJ took it seriously putting out a strong team. I wouldn’t have bothered to go if at The Valley as normally it’s stiffs and kids and we get turned over. Remember the debacle against CVPM? Cup shocks happen, thankfully not yesterday.2 -
I can top that, left around 89th minute to catch the 5.13pm train, missed last 2 goals.swords_alive said:Who else left after Southend's third thinking at least we'd secured a replay? Bloke called in to LBC last night saying he did. Think the co-commentator on BBC radio at the time also said our end was noticably emptier just before extra time.
Did wonder why so few supporters at the station!
I have history at this, after 60 years of only once leaving early: - missed the last 3 injury time goals of the 4- 4 fandango with Ipswich 😒7 -
If you look for negativity and disappointment you'll always find it.golfaddick said:
Even lose that.golfaddick said:Watching the egg chasing now instead.
Expect to lose the cricket as well
Expect a hat trick of disappointments.
If you look for positivity and happiness ........
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swords_alive said:Who else left after Southend's third thinking at least we'd secured a replay? Bloke called in to LBC last night saying he did. Think the co-commentator on BBC radio at the time also said our end was noticably emptier just before extra time.
I almost left. I knew there was extra time but felt that Adventure Island would be better than extra time. I did stay in the end though.0 -
Well said mate. Although we were bad you lot looked much better than your current position. Good luck for the rest of the seasonRootshallbloke said:There seems to be a lot of huffing and puffing on here over your performance, and to be fair we do it as well, but the bottom line is you are in the hat for the 2nd round draw. I would have been quite happy to play like total tossers and still win to get to that point. Fact, you didn't play like total tossers, but you did allow us play to the top of our current abilities. So get excited for the draw tomorrow, I wish it was us you lucky gits. Good luck.3 -
Isn't @AddicksAddict just making a Miles pun there?Croydon said:
We weren’t though. We had more quality in front of goal, but we were outplayed and outworked for long periods of the game.AddicksAddict said:Can I say we won because we were miles better?
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The problem lies in the people at board level. They could have got more quality players if they had decided to spend a bit more money instead of going for basement bargain buys. The ones jones has brought in are average league one players. He had no choice as those tight arseholes would not give him the money to buy better quality players. Charlie M was the same at Sunderland bringing the club to its knees. Look how they have moved on since getting him out of that club. Until the manager is allowed the funds to buy the quality players he needs it will stay the same.I admit jones selections have been worrying but let’s face it the players brought into the club are simply average payers. The better ones are the clubs that the chairman isn’t afraid to spend. Don’t trust the board one bit they are just out for themselves. But at least we’re in the hat for the next round. It’s the league that matters.7
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Indirectly, yes. It was in the preamble to his main point which was about the US elections when discussing what sort of day he'd had. He was happy charlton had got through but annoyed with himself for leaving before extra time, not being aware that extra time was part of the fixture.Chizz said:
He called in to tell people he didn't understand that there are no replays in this year's FA Cup, from R1 onwards?swords_alive said:Who else left after Southend's third thinking at least we'd secured a replay? Bloke called in to LBC last night saying he did. Think the co-commentator on BBC radio at the time also said our end was noticably emptier just before extra time.0 -
I think the reason for his angst is that he signed players like Docherty, Berry and even Godden* probably quite rightly expecting them to be a good fit - I don’t think there were many complaints from us when he signed them - but they haven’t lived up to his, or our, expectations. I think he feels let down.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
Instead of continually talking about how the standards aren't up to what he expects why doesn't he do something about it?Siv_in_Norfolk said:
I've watched that and then am commenting straight away without reading others' posts....Scoham said:NJ post match interview
https://x.com/cafcofficial/status/1852784300787179582?s=46&t=A-w3Eq0EWWpjMxring904Q
... listening to NJ, I am heartened by the fact that - as in previous weeks - he really goes in strong on the fact that the team aren't performing to the standards he expects
I've read a fair few people on here saying that we arent good enough and that he is the wrong manager for us and/or he isn't doing a good job. Hopefully, those people see value in the fact that he isn't trying to make excuses or sugar coat. He knows it isn't good enough. Given time and support, I think he'll get us to the levels we aspire to.(*Godden is at least getting on the scoresheet.)1 -
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This is his fault… he either chose these players badly or is coaching them badly!! There is no other way to look at it so he can moan all he likes…JamesSeed said:
I think the reason for his angst is that he signed players like Docherty, Berry and even Godden* probably quite rightly expecting them to be a good fit - I don’t think there were many complaints from us when he signed them - but they haven’t lived up to his, or our, expectations. I think he feels let down.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
Instead of continually talking about how the standards aren't up to what he expects why doesn't he do something about it?Siv_in_Norfolk said:
I've watched that and then am commenting straight away without reading others' posts....Scoham said:NJ post match interview
https://x.com/cafcofficial/status/1852784300787179582?s=46&t=A-w3Eq0EWWpjMxring904Q
... listening to NJ, I am heartened by the fact that - as in previous weeks - he really goes in strong on the fact that the team aren't performing to the standards he expects
I've read a fair few people on here saying that we arent good enough and that he is the wrong manager for us and/or he isn't doing a good job. Hopefully, those people see value in the fact that he isn't trying to make excuses or sugar coat. He knows it isn't good enough. Given time and support, I think he'll get us to the levels we aspire to.(*Godden is at least getting on the scoresheet.)
remember that brag after the Bolton game “there are some people in the club who don’t think he can play as an 8”… he evidently went hard in to get docherty, for example, who has been poor and not up to what Jones thought !6 -
Jones spent all of August raving about what a ‘magnificent window’ we have had.
These are very much his players6 -
Was that the little used fourth window in Play School?Oh Eddie Youds... said:Jones spent all of August raving about what a ‘magnificent window’ we have had.
These are very much his players2 -
To be fair there wasn’t many on here saying it was a bad window at the time. It seems that the players that we have signed from leagues above us are not performing as hoped atmOh Eddie Youds... said:Jones spent all of August raving about what a ‘magnificent window’ we have had.
These are very much his players9 -
I wouldn’t hold my breath on thatpeterreeves said:To me its a clear sign following several NJ match interviews to the owners that you can't get out of this league without spending some serious money so the next window will be interesting.2 -
No one (fan wise) really knows how good the players will be and to write them off before a ball is kicked would be crazyAndyG said:
To be fair there wasn’t many on here saying it was a bad window at the time. It seems that the players that we have signed from leagues above us are not performing as hoped atmOh Eddie Youds... said:Jones spent all of August raving about what a ‘magnificent window’ we have had.
These are very much his players3 -
The fans have never heard of most of them, they’re commenting based on random tweets from other fans , it’s down to the recruitment staff including of course Jones to get it rightAndyG said:
To be fair there wasn’t many on here saying it was a bad window at the time. It seems that the players that we have signed from leagues above us are not performing as hoped atmOh Eddie Youds... said:Jones spent all of August raving about what a ‘magnificent window’ we have had.
These are very much his players
every season our fans are excited by tayo edun and Conor mcgrandles and Sam lavelles pedigree. Jones was supposed to be a step up/ away from that by so far he’s spent more money on stuff that is largely not much better than most of the stuff we’ve found lying about at the recycling centre the last few years
he needs to get more out of this lot, or he’ll have to continue asking himself pretty serious questions about why he’s in management
as always - just to be clear, massively want him to do well and no agenda here. Just very concerned and unconvinced by what I’ve been seeing to date5 -
Saying he had a magnificent window doesn’t equate to having a magnifient squad. If you are arguing Jones has been empowered to deliver a League 1 promotion, he hasn’t. Certainly not this season.I could go into « patronising* » extensive detail but my words are not welcome here.
*It’s called analysis.
As for this weekend we have seen across the 1st Round, and our own history it is the FA Cup. All cliches apply…. Northwich Victoria, CVPM etc., etc. On any given day.
Did I just watch Birmingham sleepwalk through the 1st round against a passionless Sutton? Did not Tamworth school L1 Huddersfield in game management? Steve Evans would have been orgasmic. Did Parkinson not just say Wrexham did not perform?
All due credit to Southend. On the day they posed questions we should but didn’t answer.6 -
I get the lower paragraphs … but generally the statements are we have the 4th - 6th highest budget in the league, And Jones promising after our rampant 1 nil win at Wigan on the first day about how far we can go…Grapevine49 said:Saying he had a magnificent window doesn’t equate to having a magnifient squad. If you are arguing Jones has been empowered to deliver a League 1 promotion, he hasn’t. Certainly not this season.I could go into « patronising* » extensive detail but my words are not welcome here.
*It’s called analysis.
As for this weekend we have seen across the 1st Round, and our own history it is the FA Cup. All cliches apply…. Northwich Victoria, CVPM etc., etc. On any given day.
Did I just watch Birmingham sleepwalk through the 1st round against a passionless Sutton? Did not Tamworth school L1 Huddersfield in game management? Steve Evans would have been orgasmic. Did Parkinson not just say Wrexham did not perform?
All due credit to Southend. On the day they posed questions we should but didn’t answer.
I think the plan of both him and board was that the squad should be very much in the promotion mix so I really cannot accept this line that we should all be satisfied with mid table stability this season, and the heady heights of betterment of last season, the worst season in the club’s history
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The board aren’t investing in the squad. They want us to believe they are, but ‘undisclosed’ fees are very convenient for them. Fans can then speculate on fees and that somehow becomes the truth. Coventry was ‘rumoured’ to cost £1m, turns out he was free. No way did we spend £1million on Ahadme, but that has now become ‘fact’ to some. We sold Alfie May to pay for last summer’s window. No money was invested. Until they do invest, we’ll stand still I’m afraid.10
