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MATCH THREAD: Southend Utd v Charlton Athletic: FACR1 Saturday 2nd Nov 2024: KO 15:00 [+post p24]

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  • The board aren’t investing in the squad. They want us to believe they are, but ‘undisclosed’ fees are very convenient for them. Fans can then speculate on fees and that somehow becomes the truth. Coventry was ‘rumoured’ to cost £1m, turns out he was free. No way did we spend £1million on Ahadme, but that has now become ‘fact’ to some. We sold Alfie May to pay for last summer’s window. No money was invested. Until they do invest, we’ll stand still I’m afraid. 
    Fine, but how do we know your "truth" is the real truth. Can you verify?
  • The board aren’t investing in the squad. They want us to believe they are, but ‘undisclosed’ fees are very convenient for them. Fans can then speculate on fees and that somehow becomes the truth. Coventry was ‘rumoured’ to cost £1m, turns out he was free. No way did we spend £1million on Ahadme, but that has now become ‘fact’ to some. We sold Alfie May to pay for last summer’s window. No money was invested. Until they do invest, we’ll stand still I’m afraid. 
    Fine, but how do we know your "truth" is the real truth. Can you verify?


    This mentions the word ‘fee’ . Some speculation I read and was told mentioned the figure of £1million 
  • There seems to be a lot of huffing and puffing on here over your performance, and to be fair we do it as well, but the bottom line is you are in the hat for the 2nd round draw. I would have been quite happy to play like total tossers and still win to get to that point. Fact, you didn't play like total tossers, but you did allow us play to the top of our current abilities. So get excited for the draw tomorrow, I wish it was us you lucky gits. Good luck.
    Well said mate. Although we were bad you lot looked much better than your current position. Good luck for the rest of the season 
    Thanks Buddy. We are better, but not every week at the moment. We have finally got all our current squad fit and ready to go, so I'm banking on a decent run towards the play-offs.
  • The board aren’t investing in the squad. They want us to believe they are, but ‘undisclosed’ fees are very convenient for them. Fans can then speculate on fees and that somehow becomes the truth. Coventry was ‘rumoured’ to cost £1m, turns out he was free. No way did we spend £1million on Ahadme, but that has now become ‘fact’ to some. We sold Alfie May to pay for last summer’s window. No money was invested. Until they do invest, we’ll stand still I’m afraid. 
    Fine, but how do we know your "truth" is the real truth. Can you verify?

    Then Richard Cawley, who many trust, said there was ‘no fee’ 
    Okay, thanks for that
  • The board aren’t investing in the squad. They want us to believe they are, but ‘undisclosed’ fees are very convenient for them. Fans can then speculate on fees and that somehow becomes the truth. Coventry was ‘rumoured’ to cost £1m, turns out he was free. No way did we spend £1million on Ahadme, but that has now become ‘fact’ to some. We sold Alfie May to pay for last summer’s window. No money was invested. Until they do invest, we’ll stand still I’m afraid. 
    You realise this is a loss making business, a significant sum is required just to keep the lights on.
  • edited November 3
    .Oops, duplicate post
  • The board aren’t investing in the squad. They want us to believe they are, but ‘undisclosed’ fees are very convenient for them. Fans can then speculate on fees and that somehow becomes the truth. Coventry was ‘rumoured’ to cost £1m, turns out he was free. No way did we spend £1million on Ahadme, but that has now become ‘fact’ to some. We sold Alfie May to pay for last summer’s window. No money was invested. Until they do invest, we’ll stand still I’m afraid. 
    Fine, but how do we know your "truth" is the real truth. Can you verify?

    Then Richard Cawley, who many trust, said there was ‘no fee’ 
    Okay, thanks for that
    Unless Coventry is playing for free, covering his salary will still require “investment”. Assuming that transfer fees are the only sign of investment is ridiculous. 

    I’m not sure that they’re spending money well, but the ownership are spending money nonetheless. 
  • se9addick said:
    The board aren’t investing in the squad. They want us to believe they are, but ‘undisclosed’ fees are very convenient for them. Fans can then speculate on fees and that somehow becomes the truth. Coventry was ‘rumoured’ to cost £1m, turns out he was free. No way did we spend £1million on Ahadme, but that has now become ‘fact’ to some. We sold Alfie May to pay for last summer’s window. No money was invested. Until they do invest, we’ll stand still I’m afraid. 
    Fine, but how do we know your "truth" is the real truth. Can you verify?

    Then Richard Cawley, who many trust, said there was ‘no fee’ 
    Okay, thanks for that
    Unless Coventry is playing for free, covering his salary will still require “investment”. Assuming that transfer fees are the only sign of investment is ridiculous. 


    Yeh, but that will apply to any incoming player and balanced by those we got rid of
  • The board aren’t investing in the squad. They want us to believe they are, but ‘undisclosed’ fees are very convenient for them. Fans can then speculate on fees and that somehow becomes the truth. Coventry was ‘rumoured’ to cost £1m, turns out he was free. No way did we spend £1million on Ahadme, but that has now become ‘fact’ to some. We sold Alfie May to pay for last summer’s window. No money was invested. Until they do invest, we’ll stand still I’m afraid. 
    Agree with this to be fair
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  • The board aren’t investing in the squad. They want us to believe they are, but ‘undisclosed’ fees are very convenient for them. Fans can then speculate on fees and that somehow becomes the truth. Coventry was ‘rumoured’ to cost £1m, turns out he was free. No way did we spend £1million on Ahadme, but that has now become ‘fact’ to some. We sold Alfie May to pay for last summer’s window. No money was invested. Until they do invest, we’ll stand still I’m afraid. 
    Fine, but how do we know your "truth" is the real truth. Can you verify?
     There is and can only ever be ONE truth. The Truth. 

    Anything else, is opinion, rumour or guesswork.
  • The board aren’t investing in the squad. They want us to believe they are, but ‘undisclosed’ fees are very convenient for them. Fans can then speculate on fees and that somehow becomes the truth. Coventry was ‘rumoured’ to cost £1m, turns out he was free. No way did we spend £1million on Ahadme, but that has now become ‘fact’ to some. We sold Alfie May to pay for last summer’s window. No money was invested. Until they do invest, we’ll stand still I’m afraid. 
    To be fair the club have repeatedly stated that they didn't spend anything like £1m on Ahadme, but since he's had a slow start fans have latched onto it to be as critical of him as possible. Can't have it both ways, we can't be investing heavily in bad players and also not at all but our fanbase is currently trying to argue both of these things when we don't win games
  • Dazzler21 said:
    The board aren’t investing in the squad. They want us to believe they are, but ‘undisclosed’ fees are very convenient for them. Fans can then speculate on fees and that somehow becomes the truth. Coventry was ‘rumoured’ to cost £1m, turns out he was free. No way did we spend £1million on Ahadme, but that has now become ‘fact’ to some. We sold Alfie May to pay for last summer’s window. No money was invested. Until they do invest, we’ll stand still I’m afraid. 
    Fine, but how do we know your "truth" is the real truth. Can you verify?
     There is and can only ever be ONE truth. The Truth. 

    Anything else, is opinion, rumour or guesswork.
    There is a bit of ‘opinion, rumour AND guesswork’ in what I said. But even yesterday, someone said to me in the pub at Southend, how this board had ‘invested really heavily in this squad’. They must be spending/losing a lot if money because the club is running at a huge loss, but I’m not so sure they are investing much in the playing squad. I think they are doing their best with not a lot of capital. That’s why I believe we sold May, so it covered a few of the incomings in the summer. 
  • Dazzler21 said:
    The board aren’t investing in the squad. They want us to believe they are, but ‘undisclosed’ fees are very convenient for them. Fans can then speculate on fees and that somehow becomes the truth. Coventry was ‘rumoured’ to cost £1m, turns out he was free. No way did we spend £1million on Ahadme, but that has now become ‘fact’ to some. We sold Alfie May to pay for last summer’s window. No money was invested. Until they do invest, we’ll stand still I’m afraid. 
    Fine, but how do we know your "truth" is the real truth. Can you verify?
     There is and can only ever be ONE truth. The Truth. 

    Anything else, is opinion, rumour or guesswork.
    There is a bit of ‘opinion, rumour AND guesswork’ in what I said. But even yesterday, someone said to me in the pub at Southend, how this board had ‘invested really heavily in this squad’. They must be spending/losing a lot if money because the club is running at a huge loss, but I’m not so sure they are investing much in the playing squad. I think they are doing their best with not a lot of capital. That’s why I believe we sold May, so it covered a few of the incomings in the summer. 
    Which was the point I was trying to make.
    We are no more certain than those that insist large fees were paid.
    FWIW my views are not too far different to yours but, othere than the Cawley quote on Coventry, we  are all speculating
  • edited November 3
    The board aren’t investing in the squad. They want us to believe they are, but ‘undisclosed’ fees are very convenient for them. Fans can then speculate on fees and that somehow becomes the truth. Coventry was ‘rumoured’ to cost £1m, turns out he was free. No way did we spend £1million on Ahadme, but that has now become ‘fact’ to some. We sold Alfie May to pay for last summer’s window. No money was invested. Until they do invest, we’ll stand still I’m afraid. 
    To be fair the club have repeatedly stated that they didn't spend anything like £1m on Ahadme, but since he's had a slow start fans have latched onto it to be as critical of him as possible. Can't have it both ways, we can't be investing heavily in bad players and also not at all but our fanbase is currently trying to argue both of these things when we don't win games
    Repeatedly stated...? That's news to me... Can you provide a link or quote
  • The board aren’t investing in the squad. They want us to believe they are, but ‘undisclosed’ fees are very convenient for them. Fans can then speculate on fees and that somehow becomes the truth. Coventry was ‘rumoured’ to cost £1m, turns out he was free. No way did we spend £1million on Ahadme, but that has now become ‘fact’ to some. We sold Alfie May to pay for last summer’s window. No money was invested. Until they do invest, we’ll stand still I’m afraid. 
    Investment isn’t our problem, we will once again have one of the largest budgets at this level and probably end up underperforming it. 

    We finished 16th last season, it was probably not going to be a quick fix. What we need to see is progress, are we a better team than last season? I would say we are but still probably 1 or 2 transfer windows away from where we want to be 
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  • NabySarr said:
    The board aren’t investing in the squad. They want us to believe they are, but ‘undisclosed’ fees are very convenient for them. Fans can then speculate on fees and that somehow becomes the truth. Coventry was ‘rumoured’ to cost £1m, turns out he was free. No way did we spend £1million on Ahadme, but that has now become ‘fact’ to some. We sold Alfie May to pay for last summer’s window. No money was invested. Until they do invest, we’ll stand still I’m afraid. 
    Investment isn’t our problem, we will once again have one of the largest budgets at this level and probably end up underperforming it. 

    We finished 16th last season, it was probably not going to be a quick fix. What we need to see is progress, are we a better team than last season? I would say we are but still probably 1 or 2 transfer windows away from where we want to be 

    I wonder if our owners were told it would not be a quick fix and would need 3 seasons in L1? 

    If we don't go up this year then by end of next season they will be £40M down *, still not own any property assets and hoping they can sell Leaburn for a huge amount to offset a little bit of that. 

    They bought us as an investment!  How long before they get bored like Sandgaard and cut and run.

    * Source being Rodwell who said purchase price was £12M and CM who said we lose £9M a season in L1.  
    They’d be able to get the purchase price back if they sold, potentially selling it for more than they bought it for with the current market for football clubs for American investors 

    I would guess that they forecasted us going up this season as their plan, but probably also looked at a scenario where we don’t. I think the 3rd season will be make or break, if we are still in league 1 after that then I think they will sell 
  • I think you’d have to be mixing Ahadme up with Berry if you think Ahadme isn’t a trier.
    Long contract, I sincerely hope he can get at least double figures goals this season.
  • The board aren’t investing in the squad. They want us to believe they are, but ‘undisclosed’ fees are very convenient for them. Fans can then speculate on fees and that somehow becomes the truth. Coventry was ‘rumoured’ to cost £1m, turns out he was free. No way did we spend £1million on Ahadme, but that has now become ‘fact’ to some. We sold Alfie May to pay for last summer’s window. No money was invested. Until they do invest, we’ll stand still I’m afraid. 
    To be fair the club have repeatedly stated that they didn't spend anything like £1m on Ahadme, but since he's had a slow start fans have latched onto it to be as critical of him as possible. Can't have it both ways, we can't be investing heavily in bad players and also not at all but our fanbase is currently trying to argue both of these things when we don't win games
    I didn’t realise the club had stated that. Where did they state it ? 
    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5743749/2024/09/07/birmingham-city-transfer-window-spend/

    Not sure if that's accessible for everyone, never sure with The Athletic, but the quote is 'Gassan Ahadme's asking price at Ipswich went up to almost £1m but Charlton say they paid considerably less in what was also an undisclosed deal.' It's possible the fee is up to £1m after certain conditions are met, we just don't know the full details, but with what we've seen so far that seems unlikely.
  • The board aren’t investing in the squad. They want us to believe they are, but ‘undisclosed’ fees are very convenient for them. Fans can then speculate on fees and that somehow becomes the truth. Coventry was ‘rumoured’ to cost £1m, turns out he was free. No way did we spend £1million on Ahadme, but that has now become ‘fact’ to some. We sold Alfie May to pay for last summer’s window. No money was invested. Until they do invest, we’ll stand still I’m afraid. 
    To be fair the club have repeatedly stated that they didn't spend anything like £1m on Ahadme, but since he's had a slow start fans have latched onto it to be as critical of him as possible. Can't have it both ways, we can't be investing heavily in bad players and also not at all but our fanbase is currently trying to argue both of these things when we don't win games
    I didn’t realise the club had stated that. Where did they state it ? 
    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5743749/2024/09/07/birmingham-city-transfer-window-spend/

    Not sure if that's accessible for everyone, never sure with The Athletic, but the quote is 'Gassan Ahadme's asking price at Ipswich went up to almost £1m but Charlton say they paid considerably less in what was also an undisclosed deal.' It's possible the fee is up to £1m after certain conditions are met, we just don't know the full details, but with what we've seen so far that seems unlikely.
    Isn't that just The Athletic saying that Charlton have said something, rather than an actual quote by the club? 
  • Talal said:
    The board aren’t investing in the squad. They want us to believe they are, but ‘undisclosed’ fees are very convenient for them. Fans can then speculate on fees and that somehow becomes the truth. Coventry was ‘rumoured’ to cost £1m, turns out he was free. No way did we spend £1million on Ahadme, but that has now become ‘fact’ to some. We sold Alfie May to pay for last summer’s window. No money was invested. Until they do invest, we’ll stand still I’m afraid. 
    To be fair the club have repeatedly stated that they didn't spend anything like £1m on Ahadme, but since he's had a slow start fans have latched onto it to be as critical of him as possible. Can't have it both ways, we can't be investing heavily in bad players and also not at all but our fanbase is currently trying to argue both of these things when we don't win games
    I didn’t realise the club had stated that. Where did they state it ? 
    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5743749/2024/09/07/birmingham-city-transfer-window-spend/

    Not sure if that's accessible for everyone, never sure with The Athletic, but the quote is 'Gassan Ahadme's asking price at Ipswich went up to almost £1m but Charlton say they paid considerably less in what was also an undisclosed deal.' It's possible the fee is up to £1m after certain conditions are met, we just don't know the full details, but with what we've seen so far that seems unlikely.
    Isn't that just The Athletic saying that Charlton have said something, rather than an actual quote by the club? 
    You're not going to get an official quote from the club on an undisclosed fee
  • edited November 4
    Talal said:
    The board aren’t investing in the squad. They want us to believe they are, but ‘undisclosed’ fees are very convenient for them. Fans can then speculate on fees and that somehow becomes the truth. Coventry was ‘rumoured’ to cost £1m, turns out he was free. No way did we spend £1million on Ahadme, but that has now become ‘fact’ to some. We sold Alfie May to pay for last summer’s window. No money was invested. Until they do invest, we’ll stand still I’m afraid. 
    To be fair the club have repeatedly stated that they didn't spend anything like £1m on Ahadme, but since he's had a slow start fans have latched onto it to be as critical of him as possible. Can't have it both ways, we can't be investing heavily in bad players and also not at all but our fanbase is currently trying to argue both of these things when we don't win games
    I didn’t realise the club had stated that. Where did they state it ? 
    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5743749/2024/09/07/birmingham-city-transfer-window-spend/

    Not sure if that's accessible for everyone, never sure with The Athletic, but the quote is 'Gassan Ahadme's asking price at Ipswich went up to almost £1m but Charlton say they paid considerably less in what was also an undisclosed deal.' It's possible the fee is up to £1m after certain conditions are met, we just don't know the full details, but with what we've seen so far that seems unlikely.
    Isn't that just The Athletic saying that Charlton have said something, rather than an actual quote by the club? 
    You're not going to get an official quote from the club on an undisclosed fee
    Not doubting the validity but think perhaps "repeatedly stated" was not the right choice of words.
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