No that wasn’t your point, but I made a different one, which is literally exactly how we got here in the first place, given the trajectory of the thread. Where did I try to justify drug use or claim that two wrongs make a right?! I’d love to know.
Happy to stand corrected if that wasn’t the implication to draw from your response to mine. My misreading in that case. ☹️
The point I was making remains users ignore how the drugs get to them and a comparison to other products isn’t appropriate in that context.
I still think the person dripping this out is a seriously unpleasant individual... but it does appear that this ref has allowed himself to be in compromising positions repeatedly and done so on video and messages. It points to him having a problem and needing help.
It also shows a complete lack of judgement which is not exactly a good thing for a ref.
He’ll get cancelled and hung out to dry by the woke mob. The good thing now, is that there is always a place for people that have made mistakes in Saudi. I imagine he’ll be officiating out there within a couple of months.
He’ll get cancelled and hung out to dry by the woke mob. The good thing now, is that there is always a place for people that have made mistakes in Saudi. I imagine he’ll be officiating out there within a couple of months.
The "woke mob" - you mean like The Sun?
And the mail, seems everyone’s woke these days. Hell of a mob.
I think it’s clear to the majority of sensible people, this has gone way too far. The British press is a disgrace.
yeah but what could have been said was, 'he partook in an illegal activity, got caught and quite rightly is likely to be punished by his employer' rather than going down the route of preaching to everybody the effects the use of this particular drug may have.
Perhaps the truth about an illegal drug that others have sought to minimise is too difficult to comprehend.
But why do you have to preach to everyone - do you not think, that every single person on here knows the effects that cocaine and its usage can have ?
I doubt they do, a read of the link I posted about the toll and misery that the cocaine trade creates is appalling.
Of course they don’t know, only someone as high and mighty as you could possibly be able to comprehend such matters.
He’ll get cancelled and hung out to dry by the woke mob. The good thing now, is that there is always a place for people that have made mistakes in Saudi. I imagine he’ll be officiating out there within a couple of months.
The "woke mob" - you mean like The Sun?
And the mail, seems everyone’s woke these days. Hell of a mob.
I think it’s clear to the majority of sensible people, this has gone way too far. The British press is a disgrace.
Im not going to Kasabian tonight now ME14 has put me right off 😂
I went to the Round House, Camden a couple of weeks back. I commented to my wife that you use to have the weed at the venue in my youth now its not there but it on the street everywhere. I never really like either option.
@ME14addick your ability to maintain equilibrium in the face of a load of personal bullying is admirable. You make your case rightly or wrongly, and the frustrated people who cannot engage on a reasoned level attack you instead of arguing the issues. To my mind you are not the problem, your bullies are.
yeah but what could have been said was, 'he partook in an illegal activity, got caught and quite rightly is likely to be punished by his employer' rather than going down the route of preaching to everybody the effects the use of this particular drug may have.
Perhaps the truth about an illegal drug that others have sought to minimise is too difficult to comprehend.
But why do you have to preach to everyone - do you not think, that every single person on here knows the effects that cocaine and its usage can have ?
I doubt they do, a read of the link I posted about the toll and misery that the cocaine trade creates is appalling.
Of course they don’t know, only someone as high and mighty as you could possibly be able to comprehend such matters.
I doubt the dirty druggies can even read.
Toot toot.
This is a thread about a referee taking an illegal drug and
making ill-advised comments under the influence of an illegal Class A Drug.
On this thread there are some who have portrayed that drug
as being ‘recreational’ and its use as trivial and of little consequence. Others have said that users
don’t care where it has come from.
I have tried to make the point that it is a very dangerous drug
and that the supply chain leaves a trail of misery and destruction across the world.
Children are being trafficked from Africa into Europe to transport this drug.
They are fed the drug so that they become addicted and do the work of the criminal
gangs. Many South American countries are ruled by violent criminal gangs.
If being concerned about the lives ruined by the vile, evil
trade to supply this drug to wealthy Europeans, is getting on my high
horse, then I make no apologies.
@ME14addick your ability to maintain equilibrium in the face of a load of personal bullying is admirable. You make your case rightly or wrongly, and the frustrated people who cannot engage on a reasoned level attack you instead of arguing the issues. To my mind you are not the problem, your bullies are.
I assume you support worldwide legalisation of drugs @ME14addick because that's the only thing that will stop/greatly reduce the issues you mention. It will also mean cleaner and safer drugs for the users, extra revenue for governements and frees up resources for the police to deal with proper crime. Everybody is happy.
If you don't, it's clear you aren't "concerned about the lives ruined by the vile, evil
trade to supply this drug to wealthy Europeans", but just want to take the moral high ground and talk down to others.
@ME14addick your ability to maintain equilibrium in the face of a load of personal bullying is admirable. You make your case rightly or wrongly, and the frustrated people who cannot engage on a reasoned level attack you instead of arguing the issues. To my mind you are not the problem, your bullies are.
There is a pattern, instead of having a sensible debate and putting forward a credible argument against what I have posted, personal attacks are used instead. Sadly this leads to threads being closed down, which I suspect for some is what they want to achieve. I'm not particularly bothered by the 'attacks' from the usual suspects, but appreciate your support.
I assume you support worldwide legalisation of drugs @ME14addick because that's the only thing that will stop/greatly reduce the issues you mention. It will also mean cleaner and safer drugs for the users, extra revenue for governements and frees up resources for the police to deal with proper crime. Everybody is happy.
If you don't, it's clear you aren't "concerned about the lives ruined by the vile, evil
trade to supply this drug to wealthy Europeans", but just want to take the moral high ground and talk down to others.
I don't support the legalisation of drugs, especially cocaine, which is a dangerous drug and classed as A for a reason. Making it legal will result in more becoming addicted and needing help.
@ME14addick your ability to maintain equilibrium in the face of a load of personal bullying is admirable. You make your case rightly or wrongly, and the frustrated people who cannot engage on a reasoned level attack you instead of arguing the issues. To my mind you are not the problem, your bullies are.
There is a pattern, instead of having a sensible debate and putting forward a credible argument against what I have posted, personal attacks are used instead. Sadly this leads to threads being closed down, which I suspect for some is what they want to achieve. I'm not particularly bothered by the 'attacks' from the usual suspects, but appreciate your support.
Why are people who cannot construct a reasoned argument reduced to personals? They trot out the playing the victim line like clockwork whilst deliberately victimising. They possibly lack the capacity to sustain a position, and when they arrive at the limits of their intellect begin personal attacks.
@ME14addick your ability to maintain equilibrium in the face of a load of personal bullying is admirable. You make your case rightly or wrongly, and the frustrated people who cannot engage on a reasoned level attack you instead of arguing the issues. To my mind you are not the problem, your bullies are.
There is a pattern, instead of having a sensible debate and putting forward a credible argument against what I have posted, personal attacks are used instead. Sadly this leads to threads being closed down, which I suspect for some is what they want to achieve. I'm not particularly bothered by the 'attacks' from the usual suspects, but appreciate your support.
No one is going to put forward a credible argument against what you've posted because no one disagrees with what you've posted. Everyone already knows the dangers of drugs.
The only thing i've seen questioned is why you suddenly started posting about the effects of drug driving and derailing a thread talking about a referee.
I assume you support worldwide legalisation of drugs @ME14addick because that's the only thing that will stop/greatly reduce the issues you mention. It will also mean cleaner and safer drugs for the users, extra revenue for governements and frees up resources for the police to deal with proper crime. Everybody is happy.
If you don't, it's clear you aren't "concerned about the lives ruined by the vile, evil
trade to supply this drug to wealthy Europeans", but just want to take the moral high ground and talk down to others.
I don't support the legalisation of drugs, especially cocaine, which is a dangerous drug and classed as A for a reason. Making it legal will result in more becoming addicted and needing help.
As expected, you don't actually care, you just like preaching and talking down to people.
Studies show that weed usage hasn't increased as a result of legalisation in American states. Nobody is sitting about wanting to do a bit of gear, but stopping themselves because it's illegal.
@ME14addick your ability to maintain equilibrium in the face of a load of personal bullying is admirable. You make your case rightly or wrongly, and the frustrated people who cannot engage on a reasoned level attack you instead of arguing the issues. To my mind you are not the problem, your bullies are.
There is a pattern, instead of having a sensible debate and putting forward a credible argument against what I have posted, personal attacks are used instead. Sadly this leads to threads being closed down, which I suspect for some is what they want to achieve. I'm not particularly bothered by the 'attacks' from the usual suspects, but appreciate your support.
No one is going to put forward a credible argument against what you've posted because no one disagrees with what you've posted. Everyone already knows the dangers of drugs.
The only thing i've seen questioned is why you suddenly started posting about the effects of drug driving and derailing a thread talking about a referee.
The thread is about a referee making ill advised comments whilst taking an illegal drug. As stated previously, others have sought to downplay the consequences of taking such drugs. Posting about the effects of taking drugs and driving (which is a growing problem) is not derailing the thread, especially as we enter road safety week.
Others have tried to derail the thread with comments about speeding and avocados, which have nothing to do with a referee taking illegal drugs.
@ME14addick your ability to maintain equilibrium in the face of a load of personal bullying is admirable. You make your case rightly or wrongly, and the frustrated people who cannot engage on a reasoned level attack you instead of arguing the issues. To my mind you are not the problem, your bullies are.
There is a pattern, instead of having a sensible debate and putting forward a credible argument against what I have posted, personal attacks are used instead. Sadly this leads to threads being closed down, which I suspect for some is what they want to achieve. I'm not particularly bothered by the 'attacks' from the usual suspects, but appreciate your support.
No one is going to put forward a credible argument against what you've posted because no one disagrees with what you've posted. Everyone already knows the dangers of drugs.
The only thing i've seen questioned is why you suddenly started posting about the effects of drug driving and derailing a thread talking about a referee.
Actually quite a few have disagreed with what I have said.
I assume you support worldwide legalisation of drugs @ME14addick because that's the only thing that will stop/greatly reduce the issues you mention. It will also mean cleaner and safer drugs for the users, extra revenue for governements and frees up resources for the police to deal with proper crime. Everybody is happy.
If you don't, it's clear you aren't "concerned about the lives ruined by the vile, evil
trade to supply this drug to wealthy Europeans", but just want to take the moral high ground and talk down to others.
I don't support the legalisation of drugs, especially cocaine, which is a dangerous drug and classed as A for a reason. Making it legal will result in more becoming addicted and needing help.
As expected, you don't actually care, you just like preaching and talking down to people.
Studies show that weed usage hasn't increased as a result of legalisation in American states. Nobody is sitting about wanting to do a bit of gear, but stopping themselves because it's illegal.
Cocaine is too dangerous to legalise and if I didn't care about its use I wouldn't be posting.
I assume you support worldwide legalisation of drugs @ME14addick because that's the only thing that will stop/greatly reduce the issues you mention. It will also mean cleaner and safer drugs for the users, extra revenue for governements and frees up resources for the police to deal with proper crime. Everybody is happy.
If you don't, it's clear you aren't "concerned about the lives ruined by the vile, evil
trade to supply this drug to wealthy Europeans", but just want to take the moral high ground and talk down to others.
I don't support the legalisation of drugs, especially cocaine, which is a dangerous drug and classed as A for a reason. Making it legal will result in more becoming addicted and needing help.
As expected, you don't actually care, you just like preaching and talking down to people.
Studies show that weed usage hasn't increased as a result of legalisation in American states. Nobody is sitting about wanting to do a bit of gear, but stopping themselves because it's illegal.
Cocaine is too dangerous to legalise and if I didn't care about its use I wouldn't be posting.
But it being illegal has absolutely no impact on it's availability, I can get it delivered quicker than a pizza. The only way to negate the things you have mentioned is legalising it.
I assume you support worldwide legalisation of drugs @ME14addick because that's the only thing that will stop/greatly reduce the issues you mention. It will also mean cleaner and safer drugs for the users, extra revenue for governements and frees up resources for the police to deal with proper crime. Everybody is happy.
If you don't, it's clear you aren't "concerned about the lives ruined by the vile, evil
trade to supply this drug to wealthy Europeans", but just want to take the moral high ground and talk down to others.
I don't support the legalisation of drugs, especially cocaine, which is a dangerous drug and classed as A for a reason. Making it legal will result in more becoming addicted and needing help.
As expected, you don't actually care, you just like preaching and talking down to people.
Studies show that weed usage hasn't increased as a result of legalisation in American states. Nobody is sitting about wanting to do a bit of gear, but stopping themselves because it's illegal.
Cocaine is too dangerous to legalise and if I didn't care about its use I wouldn't be posting.
But it being illegal has absolutely no impact on it's availability, I can get it delivered quicker than a pizza. The only way to negate the things you have mentioned is legalising it.
Do you accept that Cocaine is a dangerous drug? Another poster seems to think that everyone knows that it is a dangerous drug, legalising it will only make more people think it is ok to take it.
The only way to stop the evil trade is for people to stop buying it in the first place.
I assume you support worldwide legalisation of drugs @ME14addick because that's the only thing that will stop/greatly reduce the issues you mention. It will also mean cleaner and safer drugs for the users, extra revenue for governements and frees up resources for the police to deal with proper crime. Everybody is happy.
If you don't, it's clear you aren't "concerned about the lives ruined by the vile, evil
trade to supply this drug to wealthy Europeans", but just want to take the moral high ground and talk down to others.
I don't support the legalisation of drugs, especially cocaine, which is a dangerous drug and classed as A for a reason. Making it legal will result in more becoming addicted and needing help.
As expected, you don't actually care, you just like preaching and talking down to people.
Studies show that weed usage hasn't increased as a result of legalisation in American states. Nobody is sitting about wanting to do a bit of gear, but stopping themselves because it's illegal.
I suspect that too many of the US population are so high on Fentanyl and other opioids that "a bit of weed" would just seem like a total waste of time to them.
So, if we are doing stats from America:
Since 2000, more than a million people have died of drug overdoses.
Getting on for a 1,000 people a week die from Cocaine misuse.
59.277 million or 21.4% of people 12 and over have used illegal drugs or misused prescription drugs within the last year.
70% of users who try an illegal drug before age 13 develop a substance abuse disorder within the next 7 years.
And, finally, since you brought up the subject of marijuana, in states where marijuana has been legalized:
Emergency-room visits related to marijuana increased by 54% and hospitalizations increased by 101% in 2018.
Suicides where toxicology tests indicated marijuana had been used increased from 7.6% in 2006 to 23% in 2017.
In Colorado, the cost of marijuana to taxpayers is nearly $5.00 for every $1.00 gained in tax revenue in addition to expenses such as marijuana-related DUIs that cost $25 million in 2016.
Marijuana can also negatively affect cognitive function, with regular use potentially causing a drop in IQ of up to 8 points. (Presumably why so many druggies are called airheads.)
I assume you support worldwide legalisation of drugs @ME14addick because that's the only thing that will stop/greatly reduce the issues you mention. It will also mean cleaner and safer drugs for the users, extra revenue for governements and frees up resources for the police to deal with proper crime. Everybody is happy.
If you don't, it's clear you aren't "concerned about the lives ruined by the vile, evil
trade to supply this drug to wealthy Europeans", but just want to take the moral high ground and talk down to others.
I don't support the legalisation of drugs, especially cocaine, which is a dangerous drug and classed as A for a reason. Making it legal will result in more becoming addicted and needing help.
As expected, you don't actually care, you just like preaching and talking down to people.
Studies show that weed usage hasn't increased as a result of legalisation in American states. Nobody is sitting about wanting to do a bit of gear, but stopping themselves because it's illegal.
Cocaine is too dangerous to legalise and if I didn't care about its use I wouldn't be posting.
But it being illegal has absolutely no impact on it's availability, I can get it delivered quicker than a pizza. The only way to negate the things you have mentioned is legalising it.
Pizza deliveries aren't available 24 hours a day either!
I wrote on a other thread why i'm against legalisation, but in the case of coke at least the government would cut it (what a job that would be!) with something safe and you'll know what you're buying is legit.
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It also shows a complete lack of judgement which is not exactly a good thing for a ref.
I doubt the dirty druggies can even read.
Toot toot.
I never really like either option.
You make your case rightly or wrongly, and the frustrated people who cannot engage on a reasoned level attack you instead of arguing the issues.
To my mind you are not the problem, your bullies are.
This is a thread about a referee taking an illegal drug and making ill-advised comments under the influence of an illegal Class A Drug.
On this thread there are some who have portrayed that drug as being ‘recreational’ and its use as trivial and of little consequence. Others have said that users don’t care where it has come from.
I have tried to make the point that it is a very dangerous drug and that the supply chain leaves a trail of misery and destruction across the world. Children are being trafficked from Africa into Europe to transport this drug. They are fed the drug so that they become addicted and do the work of the criminal gangs. Many South American countries are ruled by violent criminal gangs.
If being concerned about the lives ruined by the vile, evil trade to supply this drug to wealthy Europeans, is getting on my high horse, then I make no apologies.
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/ng-interactive/2024/jun/11/north-african-children-beaten-tortured-europe-cocaine-gangs
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/article/2024/jun/11/how-big-is-europes-cocaine-problem-and-what-is-the-human-cost
You professional victims need to stick together
If you don't, it's clear you aren't "concerned about the lives ruined by the vile, evil trade to supply this drug to wealthy Europeans", but just want to take the moral high ground and talk down to others.
They possibly lack the capacity to sustain a position, and when they arrive at the limits of their intellect begin personal attacks.
The only thing i've seen questioned is why you suddenly started posting about the effects of drug driving and derailing a thread talking about a referee.
”appreciate your support” 🤣🤣🤣
Others have tried to derail the thread with comments about speeding and avocados, which have nothing to do with a referee taking illegal drugs.
The only way to stop the evil trade is for people to stop buying it in the first place.
So, if we are doing stats from America:
Since 2000, more than a million people have died of drug overdoses.
Getting on for a 1,000 people a week die from Cocaine misuse.
59.277 million or 21.4% of people 12 and over have used illegal drugs or misused prescription drugs within the last year.
70% of users who try an illegal drug before age 13 develop a substance abuse disorder within the next 7 years.
And, finally, since you brought up the subject of marijuana, in states where marijuana has been legalized:
Emergency-room visits related to marijuana increased by 54% and hospitalizations increased by 101% in 2018.
Suicides where toxicology tests indicated marijuana had been used increased from 7.6% in 2006 to 23% in 2017.
In Colorado, the cost of marijuana to taxpayers is nearly $5.00 for every $1.00 gained in tax revenue in addition to expenses such as marijuana-related DUIs that cost $25 million in 2016.
Marijuana can also negatively affect cognitive function, with regular use potentially causing a drop in IQ of up to 8 points. (Presumably why so many druggies are called airheads.)
I wrote on a other thread why i'm against legalisation, but in the case of coke at least the government would cut it (what a job that would be!) with something safe and you'll know what you're buying is legit.