I completely disagree with ME’s position. But at the same time there is a little bit of a “pile on”.
ME, to make a genuine point, and I think this is what many are perhaps trying to say. That for every 1 cocaine user who’s ruined his life there is probably a 100 that do it from time to time and live a perfectly functional and healthy life. In short, you’re being a bit dramatic. And I’m genuinely trying to be nice here no “pile on” intended 👍
@ME14addick your ability to maintain equilibrium in the face of a load of personal bullying is admirable. You make your case rightly or wrongly, and the frustrated people who cannot engage on a reasoned level attack you instead of arguing the issues. To my mind you are not the problem, your bullies are.
There is a pattern, instead of having a sensible debate and putting forward a credible argument against what I have posted, personal attacks are used instead. Sadly this leads to threads being closed down, which I suspect for some is what they want to achieve. I'm not particularly bothered by the 'attacks' from the usual suspects, but appreciate your support.
No one is going to put forward a credible argument against what you've posted because no one disagrees with what you've posted. Everyone already knows the dangers of drugs.
The only thing i've seen questioned is why you suddenly started posting about the effects of drug driving and derailing a thread talking about a referee.
Actually quite a few have disagreed with what I have said.
Who has disagreed that taking drugs can potentially be dangerous?
I assume you support worldwide legalisation of drugs @ME14addick because that's the only thing that will stop/greatly reduce the issues you mention. It will also mean cleaner and safer drugs for the users, extra revenue for governements and frees up resources for the police to deal with proper crime. Everybody is happy.
If you don't, it's clear you aren't "concerned about the lives ruined by the vile, evil
trade to supply this drug to wealthy Europeans", but just want to take the moral high ground and talk down to others.
I completely disagree with ME’s position. But at the same time there is a little bit of a “pile on”.
ME, to make a genuine point, and I think this is what many are perhaps trying to say. That for every 1 cocaine user who’s ruined his life there is probably a 100 that do it from time to time and live a perfectly functional and healthy life. In short, you’re being a bit dramatic. And I’m genuinely trying to be nice here no “pile on” intended 👍
It's still a Class A drug for a reason, every time it is used there is a risk of damage. If you're using a mind altering drug then you're probably not in a position to judge whether it is safe or not.
I don't think it is being dramatic to point out the vile trade that is the supply chain across the world. If people didn't use the drug in the first place, the gangs would have no market.
@ME14addick your ability to maintain equilibrium in the face of a load of personal bullying is admirable. You make your case rightly or wrongly, and the frustrated people who cannot engage on a reasoned level attack you instead of arguing the issues. To my mind you are not the problem, your bullies are.
There is a pattern, instead of having a sensible debate and putting forward a credible argument against what I have posted, personal attacks are used instead. Sadly this leads to threads being closed down, which I suspect for some is what they want to achieve. I'm not particularly bothered by the 'attacks' from the usual suspects, but appreciate your support.
No one is going to put forward a credible argument against what you've posted because no one disagrees with what you've posted. Everyone already knows the dangers of drugs.
The only thing i've seen questioned is why you suddenly started posting about the effects of drug driving and derailing a thread talking about a referee.
Actually quite a few have disagreed with what I have said.
Who has disagreed that taking drugs can potentially be dangerous?
Many seem to think that it can be used safely and that occasional use isn't going to harm them, almost every post I've made has been met with disagreement.
You said:
No
one is going to put forward a credible argument against what you've posted
because no one disagrees with what you've posted. Everyone already knows the
dangers of drugs.
I assume you support worldwide legalisation of drugs @ME14addick because that's the only thing that will stop/greatly reduce the issues you mention. It will also mean cleaner and safer drugs for the users, extra revenue for governements and frees up resources for the police to deal with proper crime. Everybody is happy.
If you don't, it's clear you aren't "concerned about the lives ruined by the vile, evil
trade to supply this drug to wealthy Europeans", but just want to take the moral high ground and talk down to others.
I think that’s fairly obvious to most by now.
Some just don't want to acknowledge that drug taking is a problem.
I assume you support worldwide legalisation of drugs @ME14addick because that's the only thing that will stop/greatly reduce the issues you mention. It will also mean cleaner and safer drugs for the users, extra revenue for governements and frees up resources for the police to deal with proper crime. Everybody is happy.
If you don't, it's clear you aren't "concerned about the lives ruined by the vile, evil
trade to supply this drug to wealthy Europeans", but just want to take the moral high ground and talk down to others.
I think that’s fairly obvious to most by now.
Some just don't want to acknowledge that drug taking is a problem.
I assume you support worldwide legalisation of drugs @ME14addick because that's the only thing that will stop/greatly reduce the issues you mention. It will also mean cleaner and safer drugs for the users, extra revenue for governements and frees up resources for the police to deal with proper crime. Everybody is happy.
If you don't, it's clear you aren't "concerned about the lives ruined by the vile, evil
trade to supply this drug to wealthy Europeans", but just want to take the moral high ground and talk down to others.
I think that’s fairly obvious to most by now.
Some just don't want to acknowledge that drug taking is a problem.
I assume you support worldwide legalisation of drugs @ME14addick because that's the only thing that will stop/greatly reduce the issues you mention. It will also mean cleaner and safer drugs for the users, extra revenue for governements and frees up resources for the police to deal with proper crime. Everybody is happy.
If you don't, it's clear you aren't "concerned about the lives ruined by the vile, evil
trade to supply this drug to wealthy Europeans", but just want to take the moral high ground and talk down to others.
I think that’s fairly obvious to most by now.
Some just don't want to acknowledge that drug taking is a problem.
I assume you support worldwide legalisation of drugs @ME14addick because that's the only thing that will stop/greatly reduce the issues you mention. It will also mean cleaner and safer drugs for the users, extra revenue for governements and frees up resources for the police to deal with proper crime. Everybody is happy.
If you don't, it's clear you aren't "concerned about the lives ruined by the vile, evil
trade to supply this drug to wealthy Europeans", but just want to take the moral high ground and talk down to others.
I think that’s fairly obvious to most by now.
Some just don't want to acknowledge that drug taking is a problem.
Who? Who says it isn’t?
Well I've had a of of people disagreeing with my stance on drug taking, you included. If you do think that drug taking is a problem, then you would be agreeing with me.
I assume you support worldwide legalisation of drugs @ME14addick because that's the only thing that will stop/greatly reduce the issues you mention. It will also mean cleaner and safer drugs for the users, extra revenue for governements and frees up resources for the police to deal with proper crime. Everybody is happy.
If you don't, it's clear you aren't "concerned about the lives ruined by the vile, evil
trade to supply this drug to wealthy Europeans", but just want to take the moral high ground and talk down to others.
I think that’s fairly obvious to most by now.
Some just don't want to acknowledge that drug taking is a problem.
Who? Who says it isn’t?
Well I've had a of of people disagreeing with my stance on drug taking, you included. If you do think that drug taking is a problem, then you would be agreeing with me.
It's very possible to agree with the general view (that drug taking is not a good thing) but not the stance (being a sanctimonious tit.)
I assume you support worldwide legalisation of drugs @ME14addick because that's the only thing that will stop/greatly reduce the issues you mention. It will also mean cleaner and safer drugs for the users, extra revenue for governements and frees up resources for the police to deal with proper crime. Everybody is happy.
If you don't, it's clear you aren't "concerned about the lives ruined by the vile, evil
trade to supply this drug to wealthy Europeans", but just want to take the moral high ground and talk down to others.
I think that’s fairly obvious to most by now.
Some just don't want to acknowledge that drug taking is a problem.
Who? Who says it isn’t?
Well I've had a of of people disagreeing with my stance on drug taking, you included. If you do think that drug taking is a problem, then you would be agreeing with me.
It's very possible to disagree with the general view (that drug taking is not a good thing) but not the stance (being a sanctimonious tit.)
Did you mean that it is possible to agree with the general view that drug taking is not a good thing, but not the stance?
I assume you support worldwide legalisation of drugs @ME14addick because that's the only thing that will stop/greatly reduce the issues you mention. It will also mean cleaner and safer drugs for the users, extra revenue for governements and frees up resources for the police to deal with proper crime. Everybody is happy.
If you don't, it's clear you aren't "concerned about the lives ruined by the vile, evil
trade to supply this drug to wealthy Europeans", but just want to take the moral high ground and talk down to others.
I think that’s fairly obvious to most by now.
Some just don't want to acknowledge that drug taking is a problem.
Who? Who says it isn’t?
Well I've had a of of people disagreeing with my stance on drug taking, you included. If you do think that drug taking is a problem, then you would be agreeing with me.
It's very possible to disagree with the general view (that drug taking is not a good thing) but not the stance (being a sanctimonious tit.)
Couldn’t have put it better myself. You also make no distinction between casual users and addiction which only serves to support the argument that you have no interest in wanting things to change.
I assume you support worldwide legalisation of drugs @ME14addick because that's the only thing that will stop/greatly reduce the issues you mention. It will also mean cleaner and safer drugs for the users, extra revenue for governements and frees up resources for the police to deal with proper crime. Everybody is happy.
If you don't, it's clear you aren't "concerned about the lives ruined by the vile, evil
trade to supply this drug to wealthy Europeans", but just want to take the moral high ground and talk down to others.
I think that’s fairly obvious to most by now.
Some just don't want to acknowledge that drug taking is a problem.
Who? Who says it isn’t?
Well I've had a of of people disagreeing with my stance on drug taking, you included. If you do think that drug taking is a problem, then you would be agreeing with me.
It's very possible to disagree with the general view (that drug taking is not a good thing) but not the stance (being a sanctimonious tit.)
Couldn’t have put it better myself. You also make no distinction between casual users and addiction which only serves to support the argument that you have no interest in wanting things to change.
It doesn't make any difference, casual use is just as illegal as addicted use, the supply chain is exactly the same for both.
I do want things to change, I'd like to see people not using at all, which would stop the awful chain of supply and save many lives. It seems that you don't want things to change.
I assume you support worldwide legalisation of drugs @ME14addick because that's the only thing that will stop/greatly reduce the issues you mention. It will also mean cleaner and safer drugs for the users, extra revenue for governements and frees up resources for the police to deal with proper crime. Everybody is happy.
If you don't, it's clear you aren't "concerned about the lives ruined by the vile, evil
trade to supply this drug to wealthy Europeans", but just want to take the moral high ground and talk down to others.
I think that’s fairly obvious to most by now.
Some just don't want to acknowledge that drug taking is a problem.
Who? Who says it isn’t?
Well I've had a of of people disagreeing with my stance on drug taking, you included. If you do think that drug taking is a problem, then you would be agreeing with me.
It's very possible to disagree with the general view (that drug taking is not a good thing) but not the stance (being a sanctimonious tit.)
Did you mean that it is possible to agree with the general view that drug taking is not a good thing, but not the stance?
Yes. And also yes. I think its absolutely a case of agree with the message but 100% do shoot the messenger, to mangle the saying horribly.
I assume you support worldwide legalisation of drugs @ME14addick because that's the only thing that will stop/greatly reduce the issues you mention. It will also mean cleaner and safer drugs for the users, extra revenue for governements and frees up resources for the police to deal with proper crime. Everybody is happy.
If you don't, it's clear you aren't "concerned about the lives ruined by the vile, evil
trade to supply this drug to wealthy Europeans", but just want to take the moral high ground and talk down to others.
I think that’s fairly obvious to most by now.
Some just don't want to acknowledge that drug taking is a problem.
Who? Who says it isn’t?
Well I've had a of of people disagreeing with my stance on drug taking, you included. If you do think that drug taking is a problem, then you would be agreeing with me.
It's very possible to disagree with the general view (that drug taking is not a good thing) but not the stance (being a sanctimonious tit.)
Did you mean that it is possible to agree with the general view that drug taking is not a good thing, but not the stance?
Yes. And also yes. I think its absolutely a case of agree with the message but 100% do shoot the messenger, to mangle the saying horribly.
That seems weird to agree with the message, but not the messenger.
I assume you support worldwide legalisation of drugs @ME14addick because that's the only thing that will stop/greatly reduce the issues you mention. It will also mean cleaner and safer drugs for the users, extra revenue for governements and frees up resources for the police to deal with proper crime. Everybody is happy.
If you don't, it's clear you aren't "concerned about the lives ruined by the vile, evil
trade to supply this drug to wealthy Europeans", but just want to take the moral high ground and talk down to others.
I think that’s fairly obvious to most by now.
Some just don't want to acknowledge that drug taking is a problem.
Who? Who says it isn’t?
Well I've had a of of people disagreeing with my stance on drug taking, you included. If you do think that drug taking is a problem, then you would be agreeing with me.
It's very possible to disagree with the general view (that drug taking is not a good thing) but not the stance (being a sanctimonious tit.)
Couldn’t have put it better myself. You also make no distinction between casual users and addiction which only serves to support the argument that you have no interest in wanting things to change.
It doesn't make any difference, casual use is just as illegal as addicted use, the supply chain is exactly the same for both.
I do want things to change, I'd like to see people not using at all, which would stop the awful chain of supply and save many lives. It seems that you don't want things to change.
I still don’t know if you deliberately miss the point so much or do it on purpose for the reasons mentioned above. Yet more stuff that no one would disagree with. Then you almost word for word repeat my response back to me “IknowyouarebutwhatamI?” style like a 5 year old. I give up.
I assume you support worldwide legalisation of drugs @ME14addick because that's the only thing that will stop/greatly reduce the issues you mention. It will also mean cleaner and safer drugs for the users, extra revenue for governements and frees up resources for the police to deal with proper crime. Everybody is happy.
If you don't, it's clear you aren't "concerned about the lives ruined by the vile, evil
trade to supply this drug to wealthy Europeans", but just want to take the moral high ground and talk down to others.
I think that’s fairly obvious to most by now.
Some just don't want to acknowledge that drug taking is a problem.
Who? Who says it isn’t?
Well I've had a of of people disagreeing with my stance on drug taking, you included. If you do think that drug taking is a problem, then you would be agreeing with me.
It's very possible to disagree with the general view (that drug taking is not a good thing) but not the stance (being a sanctimonious tit.)
Did you mean that it is possible to agree with the general view that drug taking is not a good thing, but not the stance?
Yes. And also yes. I think its absolutely a case of agree with the message but 100% do shoot the messenger, to mangle the saying horribly.
That seems weird to agree with the message, but not the messenger.
Drugs can obviously have dangerous and potentially lethal consequences. In my view, prohibition makes these more likely as their supply becomes something without regulation and just criminals involved. It's ridiculous that governments continue with their aim of the "war on drugs" when there's only going to be one winner unless they resort to Taliban-style levels of social control.
I assume you support worldwide legalisation of drugs @ME14addick because that's the only thing that will stop/greatly reduce the issues you mention. It will also mean cleaner and safer drugs for the users, extra revenue for governements and frees up resources for the police to deal with proper crime. Everybody is happy.
If you don't, it's clear you aren't "concerned about the lives ruined by the vile, evil
trade to supply this drug to wealthy Europeans", but just want to take the moral high ground and talk down to others.
I think that’s fairly obvious to most by now.
Some just don't want to acknowledge that drug taking is a problem.
Who? Who says it isn’t?
Well I've had a of of people disagreeing with my stance on drug taking, you included. If you do think that drug taking is a problem, then you would be agreeing with me.
It's very possible to disagree with the general view (that drug taking is not a good thing) but not the stance (being a sanctimonious tit.)
Couldn’t have put it better myself. You also make no distinction between casual users and addiction which only serves to support the argument that you have no interest in wanting things to change.
It doesn't make any difference, casual use is just as illegal as addicted use, the supply chain is exactly the same for both.
I do want things to change, I'd like to see people not using at all, which would stop the awful chain of supply and save many lives. It seems that you don't want things to change.
I still don’t know if you deliberately miss the point so much or do it on purpose for the reasons mentioned above. Yet more stuff that no one would disagree with. Then you almost word for word repeat my response back to me “IknowyouarebutwhatamI?” style like a 5 year old. I give up.
Please enlighten me then, because I don't know what you mean by saying that I don't want things to change.
Drugs can obviously have dangerous and potentially lethal consequences. In my view, prohibition makes these more likely as their supply becomes something without regulation and just criminals involved. It's ridiculous that governments continue with their aim of the "war on drugs" when there's only going to be one winner unless they resort to Taliban-style levels of social control.
Very few countries in the world legalise the use of cocaine, because it is a dangerous drug. If you legalise something it puts it in people's minds that it is ok to use it.
Im not going to Kasabian tonight now ME14 has put me right off 😂
I went to the Round House, Camden a couple of weeks back. I commented to my wife that you use to have the weed at the venue in my youth now its not there but it on the street everywhere. I never really like either option.
You can almost get high walking down Camden High Street to The Roundhouse.
I’m not sure anyone can be accused of piling on or bullying. I have absolutely no agenda here and I’m trying to help by giving a different perspective. On various threads some people make their opinion known which on a forum is great but when someone states a different view we get besieged with links to various external sites in an attempt to lecture people with a different viewpoint. People are allowed alternative views it’s what makes a forum interesting but everyone needs to accept that rather than launching a tirade of educational material in an attempt to prove they are right. Just state your opinion accept some people have different views and move on simple
I’m not sure anyone can be accused of piling on or bullying. I have absolutely no agenda here and I’m trying to help by giving a different perspective. On various threads some people make their opinion known which on a forum is great but when someone states a different view we get besieged with links to various external sites in an attempt to lecture people with a different viewpoint. People are allowed alternative views it’s what makes a forum interesting but everyone needs to accept that rather than launching a tirade of educational material in an attempt to prove they are right. Just state your opinion accept some people have different views and move on simple
I’m not sure anyone can be accused of piling on or bullying. I have absolutely no agenda here and I’m trying to help by giving a different perspective. On various threads some people make their opinion known which on a forum is great but when someone states a different view we get besieged with links to various external sites in an attempt to lecture people with a different viewpoint. People are allowed alternative views it’s what makes a forum interesting but everyone needs to accept that rather than launching a tirade of educational material in an attempt to prove they are right. Just state your opinion accept some people have different views and move on simple
Better to provide facts than state that someone is the most boring person on the planet.
My last words on the subject, using cannabis is illegal and the supply chain causes violence, death and the trafficking of children, that cannot be disputed.
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I don't think it is being dramatic to point out the vile trade that is the supply chain across the world. If people didn't use the drug in the first place, the gangs would have no market.
You said:
No one is going to put forward a credible argument against what you've posted because no one disagrees with what you've posted. Everyone already knows the dangers of drugs.
I do want things to change, I'd like to see people not using at all, which would stop the awful chain of supply and save many lives. It seems that you don't want things to change.
Just to change tack, have you ever gone 33 in a 30mph zone or accidentally creeped over 70 on the motorway?
no one is saying breaking the speed limit is a ‘good thing’ but most people will accept the odd discretion.
My last words on the subject, using cannabis is illegal and the supply chain causes violence, death and the trafficking of children, that cannot be disputed.