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Only gets worse as series go on too.killerandflash said:The end of an unconvincing innings by Pope. He never looked settled.0 -
Pope constantly getting out after getting a start is exactly the issue we’ve had at number 3 for years. I just don’t think he’s the solution at number 3… but who is?1
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Olly Pope managed the surprising feat of producing an innings that was both short and torturous. That's a very rare talent.0
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Crawley out in exactly the same way as Pope (caught and bowled Neser) and the same way he was out in the First Test off Starc for 44 (59)
97-3 and still 80 runs behind1 -
That's the beginning of the end........0
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Thankfully I have to leave in half an hour to set off to The Valley1
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This is just poor batting from England I'm afraid.
Fforget all the nonsense about batting under the lights, there's nothing in this pitch if you apply yourself properly6 -
Our batters are a disgrace. Pope should definitely be dropped for the next test and if he doesn’t score big in this innings, I’d axe Brook too1
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England probably have the only fans in the world who are convinced England are going to lose (I'm not saying they're wrong!) just as the world's one and two ranked test batters come together at the crease.4
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Not saying that we shouldn't be looking for someone else but the same applies to Crawley.Diebythesword said:Pope constantly getting out after getting a start is exactly the issue we’ve had at number 3 for years. I just don’t think he’s the solution at number 3… but who is?
Pope actually averages 40.58 batting at 3 and 35.01 batting in all other positions whereas Crawley averages 30.84 opening and 31.49 in all other positions.1 -
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The problem is, there is nobody else.Addick Addict said:
Not saying that we shouldn't be looking for someone else but the same applies to Crawley.Diebythesword said:Pope constantly getting out after getting a start is exactly the issue we’ve had at number 3 for years. I just don’t think he’s the solution at number 3… but who is?
Pope actually averages 40.58 batting at 3 and 35.01 batting in all other positions whereas Crawley averages 30.84 opening and 31.49 in all other positions.
Stokes and McCullum have pulled in such a closed group that hardly anyone else is given the opportunity.
Huge rebuild job for the next incumbents2 -
I'm really torn on it, the media don't help but when have they evercarly burn said:
The problem is, there is nobody else.Addick Addict said:
Not saying that we shouldn't be looking for someone else but the same applies to Crawley.Diebythesword said:Pope constantly getting out after getting a start is exactly the issue we’ve had at number 3 for years. I just don’t think he’s the solution at number 3… but who is?
Pope actually averages 40.58 batting at 3 and 35.01 batting in all other positions whereas Crawley averages 30.84 opening and 31.49 in all other positions.
Stokes and McCullum have pulled in such a closed group that hardly anyone else is given the opportunity.
Huge rebuild job for the next incumbents
When the pair of them took over things were really bad and they had a short, sharp shock effect if making us very competitive again quickly. Problem is, a bit like having Neil Warnock come in and reminding defenders how to defend and signing 5 strikers. It isnt long term sustainable. They needed that tight group as they needed everyone in the group to totally commit to what they were doing, Nathan Jones is the same. It does though mean its hard to break into the group
Also test cricket isnt as one dimensional as "set a target, we will chase it" you have to be able to defend things too and do what all great or even good test players do and play to the situation. As a batsman, take your time, focus and maintain, sometimes you leave balls that exceed a risk/reward profile. Only Root seems to have the mental resilience to do that for any period of time.
Whoever comes in IF we throw the baby out with the bathwater and we havent lost this test yet, I don't think they have a massive rebuild unless its after a 5 nil shit the bedder and nobody claims their moment or shows they have something to offer. The batsmen are the concern, same story they aren't stubborn enough for test cricket when it gets testing1 -
Root out, on review, caught behind off Starc for 15 (36)
121-4 and still 56 behind0 -
Bye ashes.1
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Is declaring allowed in the second innings if you are behind? We should definitely declare if it is.2
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He shouldn't be but you just know that Brook is stuck between a rock and a hard place and is simply itching to have a go.0
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Poor decision by the Umpire there, as a clear nick by Root. Maybe he has friends with Day 4 tickets...1
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With those feet in bloody concrete too!!!Addick Addict said:He shouldn't be but you just know that Brook is stuck between a rock and a hard place and is simply itching to have a go.0 -
I think Brook to 3 might be the solution. Throw some responsibility at him to see if he will grow up.
Hoping he shows me I'm wrong in this innings0 -
Fucking called itcantersaddick said:I think Brook to 3 might be the solution. Throw some responsibility at him to see if he will grow up.
Hoping he shows me I'm wrong in this innings1 -
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Brook given out caught behind but he doesn't actually get within three inches of the ball0
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Lol wrong 3 times in 3 minutes. Am I Chizz?cantersaddick said:
Fucking called itcantersaddick said:I think Brook to 3 might be the solution. Throw some responsibility at him to see if he will grow up.
Hoping he shows me I'm wrong in this innings
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Fuck me and again.cantersaddick said:
Lol wrong 3 times in 3 minutes. Am I Chizz?cantersaddick said:
Fucking called itcantersaddick said:I think Brook to 3 might be the solution. Throw some responsibility at him to see if he will grow up.
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And then, the very next ball, does hit it and has to be given out on review. Not the umpire's greatest two balls.Addick Addict said:Brook given out caught behind but he doesn't actually get within three inches of the ball
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I get the need for a bit of stability and yes we were crying out for it at the time.Carter said:
I'm really torn on it, the media don't help but when have they evercarly burn said:
The problem is, there is nobody else.Addick Addict said:
Not saying that we shouldn't be looking for someone else but the same applies to Crawley.Diebythesword said:Pope constantly getting out after getting a start is exactly the issue we’ve had at number 3 for years. I just don’t think he’s the solution at number 3… but who is?
Pope actually averages 40.58 batting at 3 and 35.01 batting in all other positions whereas Crawley averages 30.84 opening and 31.49 in all other positions.
Stokes and McCullum have pulled in such a closed group that hardly anyone else is given the opportunity.
Huge rebuild job for the next incumbents
When the pair of them took over things were really bad and they had a short, sharp shock effect if making us very competitive again quickly. Problem is, a bit like having Neil Warnock come in and reminding defenders how to defend and signing 5 strikers. It isnt long term sustainable. They needed that tight group as they needed everyone in the group to totally commit to what they were doing, Nathan Jones is the same. It does though mean its hard to break into the group
Also test cricket isnt as one dimensional as "set a target, we will chase it" you have to be able to defend things too and do what all great or even good test players do and play to the situation. As a batsman, take your time, focus and maintain, sometimes you leave balls that exceed a risk/reward profile. Only Root seems to have the mental resilience to do that for any period of time.
Whoever comes in IF we throw the baby out with the bathwater and we havent lost this test yet, I don't think they have a massive rebuild unless its after a 5 nil shit the bedder and nobody claims their moment or shows they have something to offer. The batsmen are the concern, same story they aren't stubborn enough for test cricket when it gets testing
A bit like Southgates England, McCullum has tried to create a certain locker room ambience. Familiarity and strong bonds. It worked pretty well at the start but much like Southgates England it falls short under sterner tests.
You could argue however, after the last ashes series this side have gone backwards.
I think there's a bit of a small test team mentality to it all.
Don't call anyone out for the bad stuff ( because there will be a lot of it) and praise and hype the small positives to the hilt (because there won't be so much of it!)
Keep the squad small and persevere with the inadequate( because it's all you've got)
I know I'm casting aspersions on New Zealand a bit here , but that is the background McCullum earned his crust under for years and it's easy to see why we may have gone down that road.
We have to find a balance. There's plenty out there that talk a good game. Rob Key was most certainly one. But when you're in the seat, it's never easy finding answers for the England cricket team.1 -
Games aren’t even close. If this isn’t 5-0 I’ll be amazed.0
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For all the talk before the series that the two teams were pretty evenly matched, the fact is they are just far better than us in personnel & in game management0
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We can't even argue that Australia are a one-man attack given Starc has only taken one of the five wickets to fall. In any case, only Carse and Stokes have taken more than three wickets in the Series for us.0
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There can't be many more dislikable sportsmen in the entire world than Steve Smith.0
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Outclassed again I'm afraid0
