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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic v Reading: Saturday 4th January 2025: KO 15:00
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The grades from those sources are nonsense. Stick to the marks in @lancashire lad’s stat bank and you won’t go wrong.TelMc32 said:
I know the game is all about opinions, but there are some ridiculous scores in both of those charts. Gillesphey has had two decent games, but Wycombe was better than Saturday & not a chance he should be scoring higher than at least half his team mates. Similarly, Ash really only had one save to make all afternoon (did it really well) & Pereira should have been punished for his spills and dreadful distribution 🤷🏻♂️Braziliance said:Something worth noting as well, is Gillesphey. That was his best game I can remember so far imo and he was getting pelters at the game around me, and on LL's thread, he's getting some of the lowest ratings.
On fotmob and whoscored, he was statistically the best player yesterday and comfortably.
I still think we should improve on him if we can, but he's deffo better with Lloyd Jones next to him and in a 3, similar to Mitchell. Mitchell is just a lot more capable physically and one on one.
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Yeah those apps for lower leagues are horrendous. They don’t even get the formations and positions right most of the time. Edwards a 6.4?!!!0
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The scores will be generated by an algorithm linked to statistics, they can't see subjective calls. Take the corner MG gave away because he misread the ball and it bounced off his head, he will have most likely been given 1 header won and 1 clearance made for that which will give positive marks when we can all see with our own eyes it was a rookie error11
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Since when has Daniel been known as Abraham?Braziliance said:Something worth noting as well, is Gillesphey. That was his best game I can remember so far imo and he was getting pelters at the game around me, and on LL's thread, he's getting some of the lowest ratings.
On fotmob and whoscored, he was statistically the best player yesterday and comfortably.
I still think we should improve on him if we can, but he's deffo better with Lloyd Jones next to him and in a 3, similar to Mitchell. Mitchell is just a lot more capable physically and one on one.6 -
Also when he lost out to Smith and fell over, leading to a chance that should have probably gone in. That isn’t being picked up on the stats anywherefenaddick said:The scores will be generated by an algorithm linked to statistics, they can't see subjective calls. Take the corner MG gave away because he misread the ball and it bounced off his head, he will have most likely been given 1 header won and 1 clearance made for that which will give positive marks when we can all see with our own eyes it was a rookie error
I thought he had an ok game, played some nice passes into midfield but still looks a bit clumsy when defending and prone to aimless long balls. He had a better game against Wycombe4 -
Agree he’s not as bad as he’s made out to be, but I don’t think these stats sights are very good at all at rating individual performances in games. Edwards and T.Campbell were 2 of our best performers on Saturday yet are 2 of our worst 2 on FotMobBraziliance said:Something worth noting as well, is Gillesphey. That was his best game I can remember so far imo and he was getting pelters at the game around me, and on LL's thread, he's getting some of the lowest ratings.
On fotmob and whoscored, he was statistically the best player yesterday and comfortably.
I still think we should improve on him if we can, but he's deffo better with Lloyd Jones next to him and in a 3, similar to Mitchell. Mitchell is just a lot more capable physically and one on one.
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Different Kanu.ForeverAddickted said:
Since when has Daniel been known as Abraham?Braziliance said:Something worth noting as well, is Gillesphey. That was his best game I can remember so far imo and he was getting pelters at the game around me, and on LL's thread, he's getting some of the lowest ratings.
On fotmob and whoscored, he was statistically the best player yesterday and comfortably.
I still think we should improve on him if we can, but he's deffo better with Lloyd Jones next to him and in a 3, similar to Mitchell. Mitchell is just a lot more capable physically and one on one.2 -
I always liked Josh Cullen, a good player, intelligent too. Here's what he said after Burnley's victory at Blackburn..
"There's a fine line - you have to get the balance of knowing what the rivalry is going to demand in terms of being up for the fight, winning duels, tackles and competing. But, also recognising that's not going to be the whole game and the need to bring a bit of calmness on the ball and rest with it at times when the game is getting a bit frantic. Then is a time to work the openings".
I thought Charlton pretty much stuck to that script on Saturday ... but easier said than done I think.
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Actually I believe its a kayak.LargeAddick said:
Different Kanu.ForeverAddickted said:
Since when has Daniel been known as Abraham?Braziliance said:Something worth noting as well, is Gillesphey. That was his best game I can remember so far imo and he was getting pelters at the game around me, and on LL's thread, he's getting some of the lowest ratings.
On fotmob and whoscored, he was statistically the best player yesterday and comfortably.
I still think we should improve on him if we can, but he's deffo better with Lloyd Jones next to him and in a 3, similar to Mitchell. Mitchell is just a lot more capable physically and one on one.
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100% agreed about their goalie. Thought he was lucky more than good.cantersaddick said:Thought it was a good game of league 1 football, a bit physical not always pretty and plenty of head tennis but competitive and aggressive. They had midfield for periods of the game but so did we and we carved out more chances and much more clear cut ones.
Don't understand the love in for their keeper. Twice he fumbled to a forward and once dropped it at miles feet who put it straight at the man onnthe line who blocked it.
Word for Mitchell who in this latest setup has had to adapt to the lop-sidedness of the back 5 in thay he is often operating as a RB when that really doesn't play to his strengths.
Small causes lots of problems but I think his problem is trying to do one man too many rather than end product.
Godden would likely have put away one of those chances but the flip side is we wouldn't have created so many without TC's pace and Miles physicality.
Still think there is a lot of work to do on the training pitch regarding attacking patters of play. We're very well drilled defensively but in attack its get it to the fullbacks and hope pace does something or hit it long to Miles and hope something comes of that. Some actual patterns of play could make us more effective.
This season feels to me like the last one under Karl Robinson. Started alright, bit of a slump resurgence under Bowyer to get us in the playoffs but ultimately not enough in the squad to go up. Whether we make the playoffs remains to be seen but last time we were able to build on that squad. We need the likes of Jones and Miles to stay if we want to do the same.3 - Sponsored links:
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newyorkaddick said:
It's a screenshot of the current IFAB laws of the gamejimmymelrose said:
That doesn’t make any sense:newyorkaddick said:
It has to be a 'deliberate play', it's not sufficient for the defender just to touch the ball (Law 11.2)
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i was doing lino for my son's team about a month ago and gave offside for this and was overruled by the referee who said what you have above even though i didfn't and don't agree with it but would have helped today if that's the rule - the ref didn't know his arse from his elbow todayEastTerrace said:As far as I know, if a an opposition player plays the ball (which I think he did), then TC becomes onside again.
’Deliberate play is when a player has control of the ball with the possibility of gaining possession of the ball’
If you’re trying to gain possession of the ball then you don’t have control of the ball.
Is this actually from the Laws of the Game or some nonsense from X? If that is really the current law then no wonder refs make so many different interpretations. It may as well be written in Chinese.I’ve copied it in full here:
*‘Deliberate play’ (excluding deliberate handball) is when a player has control of the ball with the possibility of:
passing the ball to a team-mate;
gaining possession of the ball; or
clearing the ball (e.g. by kicking or heading it)
If the pass, attempt to gain possession or clearance by the player in control of the ball is inaccurate or unsuccessful, this does not negate the fact that the player ‘deliberately played’ the ball.
The following criteria should be used, as appropriate, as indicators that a player was in control of the ball and, as a result, can be considered to have ‘deliberately played’ the ball:
The ball travelled from distance and the player had a clear view of it
The ball was not moving quickly
The direction of the ball was not unexpected
The player had time to coordinate their body movement, i.e. it was not a case of instinctive stretching or jumping, or a movement that achieved limited contact/control
A ball moving on the ground is easier to play than a ball in the air
Many of the problems which people think are due to ’interpretation ’ are not that at all. It is because of grammatical errors, bad lexical choice, or badly constructed sentences.
The problem I have highlighted is lexical i.e. bad choice of word. Clearly you do not have ’control’ of the ball if you are trying to ’gain possession’ of it.
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I also don't think he should be scoring the highest. I was just pointing out that with Gillesphey, he's clearly landed himself in scapegoat territory.TelMc32 said:
I know the game is all about opinions, but there are some ridiculous scores in both of those charts. Gillesphey has had two decent games, but Wycombe was better than Saturday & not a chance he should be scoring higher than at least half his team mates. Similarly, Ash really only had one save to make all afternoon (did it really well) & Pereira should have been punished for his spills and dreadful distribution 🤷🏻♂️Braziliance said:Something worth noting as well, is Gillesphey. That was his best game I can remember so far imo and he was getting pelters at the game around me, and on LL's thread, he's getting some of the lowest ratings.
On fotmob and whoscored, he was statistically the best player yesterday and comfortably.
I still think we should improve on him if we can, but he's deffo better with Lloyd Jones next to him and in a 3, similar to Mitchell. Mitchell is just a lot more capable physically and one on one.
Yesterday anything he did wrong I could hear people moaning about it, and everything he did right, they'd say nothing.
Not exactly comparable, as Morgan Fox was younger and probably better, but that's what he's reminding me of atm. I think people have made a judgment already and people are ready to blame him. I think him playing in a back 4 ruined him a bit. Whenever he's played in that back 5 with strong teammates around him he's looked decent.
I'd still like to improve on him, but he seems decent enough to be a squad player in this league. He's better than Hector, Thomas, Lavelle etc6 -
That score for MG is ludicrousBraziliance said:Something worth noting as well, is Gillesphey. That was his best game I can remember so far imo and he was getting pelters at the game around me, and on LL's thread, he's getting some of the lowest ratings.
On fotmob and whoscored, he was statistically the best player yesterday and comfortably.
I still think we should improve on him if we can, but he's deffo better with Lloyd Jones next to him and in a 3, similar to Mitchell. Mitchell is just a lot more capable physically and one on one.
He had a less awful game on Saturday than most he has had this season but having to defend with his feet with any opponent within 10 yards and he visibly loses the plot, he even managed to let the ball hit him on the head when unchallenged. MG's a disaster waiting to happen. He's probably worse than Naby Sarr was when he first arrived.
Our back 3 with Jones in it is vastly better than any combination without but if there are any remotely affordable left sided defenders available this month, bids should be made.0 -
It's just stats at the end of the day. I'm just highlighting that Gillesphey is firmly in scapegoat territory as even when he plays well, he's given docked points.NabySarr said:
Agree he’s not as bad as he’s made out to be, but I don’t think these stats sights are very good at all at rating individual performances in games. Edwards and T.Campbell were 2 of our best performers on Saturday yet are 2 of our worst 2 on FotMobBraziliance said:Something worth noting as well, is Gillesphey. That was his best game I can remember so far imo and he was getting pelters at the game around me, and on LL's thread, he's getting some of the lowest ratings.
On fotmob and whoscored, he was statistically the best player yesterday and comfortably.
I still think we should improve on him if we can, but he's deffo better with Lloyd Jones next to him and in a 3, similar to Mitchell. Mitchell is just a lot more capable physically and one on one.
He was great against Wycombe but pretty average on Saturday
You can't use these sites as gospel, but they'll give you a rough idea. I can see why a stat machine wouldn't pick up TCs performance. His take on success wasn't too great I imagine, as a lot of his chances came from Reading errors and him being active, he was wasteful with the ball on 3 or 4 occasions, didn't score and didn't assist which is the primary objective of a striker. The defenders will always get boosted ratings for clean sheets as they've done their bit according to the machine.
Josh Edwards lower rating doesn't make much sense though. As he was sound defensively from what I saw and was my pick for motm.1 -
The Nabster is available in June, we could probably get him in the window as he hasn't played much. C'mon Nathan, you know you want him.Billy_Mix said:
That score for MG is ludicrousBraziliance said:Something worth noting as well, is Gillesphey. That was his best game I can remember so far imo and he was getting pelters at the game around me, and on LL's thread, he's getting some of the lowest ratings.
On fotmob and whoscored, he was statistically the best player yesterday and comfortably.
I still think we should improve on him if we can, but he's deffo better with Lloyd Jones next to him and in a 3, similar to Mitchell. Mitchell is just a lot more capable physically and one on one.
He had a less awful game on Saturday than most he has had this season but having to defend with his feet with any opponent within 10 yards and he visibly loses the plot, he even managed to let the ball hit him on the head when unchallenged. MG's a disaster waiting to happen. He's probably worse than Naby Sarr was when he first arrived.
Our back 3 with Jones in it is vastly better than any combination without but if there are any remotely affordable left sided defenders available this month, bids should be made.1 -
The bench on Saturday contained four NJ signings plus two others who didnt get their kit on. Thats six players who are not improving our 1st XI. Plus Berry who started and has yet to impress. Gillesphey, a donkey. Small played out of position. May dumped. Only one of his signings came on.
Doubt we will see many incoming in the window, because Jones can't be trusted to spend our money wisely.4 -
Yes, and I think it's now been attributed to Nathan Jones who to my memory only ever stated that we are putting a squad together that could mount a challenge but in fairness to Andy Scott, I seem to remember him stating that a club such as Charlton should be looking to reach the play off places.Orpingtony said:
Didn't Andy Scott say this at the start of the season?ElfsborgAddick said:Bailey said:
It seems to me Elfsborg, that the only measure that would satisfy you is automatic promotion. You only have to look back at the start of the Alan Curbishley/Steve Gritt years to realise that it was not instant success but a steady build up from a poor position. Not to say that Lennie Lawrence did anything wrong but the first game that we played at Upton Park, the squad was threadbare, winning 2-1 incidently, fast forward to the Wembley play off final and the squad was unrecognisable from that day at Upton Park. In between that time we sold and lost some great players, Simon Webster, Robert Lee, Carl Leaburn, Lee Bowyer, Bob Bolder, Colin Walsh, Darren Pitcher. Even when we got to the Premier there was a steady build up of players able to handle that level. There is the early shoots of hope springing up at the Valley and the thing that I absolutely agree with Nathan Jones, Charlie or any of the people running the club, is that considering what has gone before this has to be based on steady progress, not the rarity of overnight success.ElfsborgAddick said:RonnieMoore said:
No its not they want an improvement on last season as the first step in the process.… top 10 would be an improvement.……ElfsborgAddick said:Lewis Coaches said:
Come back to me in August.Callumcafc said:
Blimey. Sack the rest of the season off then. See you in August!Lewis Coaches said:
Win all our remaining home games and pick up a point at every away equals 79 points.Callumcafc said:
On the other end though, that means there’s plenty of poor teams still to come to the Valley where picking off three points consistently will be critical.Pelling1993 said:
Brum, Wycombe, Wrexham & Stockport all away from home will be a tough askCallumcafc said:23 games played and 34 points attained.
Need 41 from the remaining 23 to get to the 75 mark that’s usually needed for top six.
We can do it. 12 points from the last six with only two goals conceded and four clean sheets so recent form is tracking the right way.It’s not going to happen.
Blame first half of season for our downfall .
Anything other than a play-off finish is failure.You know my comment is correct...One place above our finish last season would be an improvement..,.,What process is this?....,.,.A play-off finish as a minimum.0 -
Gillesphey has that sad awkward lanky way about him that basically marks him out for abuse by our fans no matter what he does. He needs to proper nut someone or something4
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He also has been playing badly with at least one or two poor mistakes a game that lead to oppo chances or goals. Dont recall any mistakes against wycombe but there were one or two against Reading.Leuth said:Gillesphey has that sad awkward lanky way about him that basically marks him out for abuse by our fans no matter what he does. He needs to proper nut someone or something5 -
However, if he kicks a ball boy in the goolies, he"ll be chaired off by his teamates...Alwaysneil said:
He also has been playing badly with at least one or two poor mistakes a game that lead to oppo chances or goals. Dont recall any mistakes against wycombe but there were one or two against Reading.Leuth said:Gillesphey has that sad awkward lanky way about him that basically marks him out for abuse by our fans no matter what he does. He needs to proper nut someone or something
He's just a lower league footballer showing his limitations most weeks, whilst not having to do a proper job and getting paid well.0 - Sponsored links:
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He slices a lot of clearances for being the best technician at the club...Alwaysneil said:
He also has been playing badly with at least one or two poor mistakes a game that lead to oppo chances or goals. Dont recall any mistakes against wycombe but there were one or two against Reading.Leuth said:Gillesphey has that sad awkward lanky way about him that basically marks him out for abuse by our fans no matter what he does. He needs to proper nut someone or something1 -
He has a league one champions medal. Yes he seems to play on the edge but he has been part of the defence that is looking so much stronger. We can say Jones is the glue it needs but the other players are needed too within that and must be doing a good job.1
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Isn’t a scapegoat for losing teams? At the moment aren’t we unbeaten in 4 games and have only conceded 2 goals in 6 games (correct me if I am wrong), so how can there be a scapegoat, especially a defender?
I am dissatisfied with our postion but this doesn’t make sense.1 -
Undefeated in six league matches.jimmymelrose said:Isn’t a scapegoat for losing teams? At the moment aren’t we unbeaten in 4 games and have only conceded 2 goals in 6 games (correct me if I am wrong), so how can there be a scapegoat, especially a defender?
I am dissatisfied with our postion but this doesn’t make sense.0 -
His clearances are wild. They used to drive me insane, but after I became insane I now look forward to them.Chunes said:
He slices a lot of clearances for being the best technician at the club...Alwaysneil said:
He also has been playing badly with at least one or two poor mistakes a game that lead to oppo chances or goals. Dont recall any mistakes against wycombe but there were one or two against Reading.Leuth said:Gillesphey has that sad awkward lanky way about him that basically marks him out for abuse by our fans no matter what he does. He needs to proper nut someone or something8 -
Decent performance from us in what was a entertaining game for a 0-0 draw.
Lloyd Jones is without doubt our most crucial player. The whole team looks more confident with him in our back line and the clean sheets/results speak for themselves.
I still think our problem is going forward. I'm not convinced by TC up top. Yes he's fast and tricky but lacks substance. Two league goals this season for someone that's predominantly played as a striker isn't good enough. We're at least ten goals short of a top six team and that's taking into account we hammered Northampton for five a few weeks ago which is a freak result so in reality I'd say we're 13-15 goals short and we all know where those goals have gone!
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Both of TC's goals have been in his last 4 though and unlucky with the disallowed goal on Saturday. He looks a lot better imho in the new tweaked formation. I do agree he isn't a natural finisher but I think he offers a lot offensively.agim said:Decent performance from us in what was a entertaining game for a 0-0 draw.
Lloyd Jones is without doubt our most crucial player. The whole team looks more confident with him in our back line and the clean sheets/results speak for themselves.
I still think our problem is going forward. I'm not convinced by TC up top. Yes he's fast and tricky but lacks substance. Two league goals this season for someone that's predominantly played as a striker isn't good enough. We're at least ten goals short of a top six team and that's taking into account we hammered Northampton for five a few weeks ago which is a freak result so in reality I'd say we're 13-15 goals short and we all know where those goals have gone!
We're on a decent run, long may it continue and hopefully we strengthen in January7 -
I want nothing more than our guys to be successful especially the academy guys I just can't see us getting into the playoffs with him up top. Out wide yes but he doesn't suit the wing back formationcrookester said:
Both of TC's goals have been in his last 4 though and unlucky with the disallowed goal on Saturday. He looks a lot better imho in the new tweaked formation. I do agree he isn't a natural finisher but I think he offers a lot offensively.agim said:Decent performance from us in what was a entertaining game for a 0-0 draw.
Lloyd Jones is without doubt our most crucial player. The whole team looks more confident with him in our back line and the clean sheets/results speak for themselves.
I still think our problem is going forward. I'm not convinced by TC up top. Yes he's fast and tricky but lacks substance. Two league goals this season for someone that's predominantly played as a striker isn't good enough. We're at least ten goals short of a top six team and that's taking into account we hammered Northampton for five a few weeks ago which is a freak result so in reality I'd say we're 13-15 goals short and we all know where those goals have gone!
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I have no idea,maybe it is a case of players getting to know each other,but half a season does seem a long bedding in process.I agree that we have had some dire performances,and I was one of those who said this was the worst team I have ever seen at The Valley.Something has happened,the players look to be more comfortable on the ball,and not wanting to just bash it up the pitch.it is not a coincidence that Jones is back,maybe the players can play a bit more football knowing that the defence is capable of seeing of breakaway attacks.Who knows,lets hope it continues.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
Then the question I'd put to you is why the heck haven't the likes of Docherty, Campbell, Small et al played with the same effort and enthusiasm all season?thickandthin63 said:Well how times change so quickly,I was up there with a lot of people saying this was the worst Charlton team ever.Now I cant believe the improvement,players like Docherty,Campbell,Small,and others are now looking like they are playing for the shirt,which is all we ask.Add to that our defensive record now Jones is back,and the whole team looks to be on another level.Delighted with the clean sheets,but we now need to get the one nil results to finish it off.I thought yesterdays game was really entertaining,the last 30 minutes was probably in my opinion,the best spell we have played all season,very unlucky not to score.
Now the crunch,some very tough away trips coming up which I think will define our season,4-5 point from the next 4 away games will be a major success.
Because the performances against the like of Burton Crawley and Leyton Orient were genuinely some of the worst I have ever seen.0 -
We've looked quite good over the last five or six games, and I think he's been an important part of that with his pace, and his newly discovered ability to hang onto the ball under pressure. His disallowed goal was a great finish.agim said:
I want nothing more than our guys to be successful especially the academy guys I just can't see us getting into the playoffs with him up top. Out wide yes but he doesn't suit the wing back formationcrookester said:
Both of TC's goals have been in his last 4 though and unlucky with the disallowed goal on Saturday. He looks a lot better imho in the new tweaked formation. I do agree he isn't a natural finisher but I think he offers a lot offensively.agim said:Decent performance from us in what was a entertaining game for a 0-0 draw.
Lloyd Jones is without doubt our most crucial player. The whole team looks more confident with him in our back line and the clean sheets/results speak for themselves.
I still think our problem is going forward. I'm not convinced by TC up top. Yes he's fast and tricky but lacks substance. Two league goals this season for someone that's predominantly played as a striker isn't good enough. We're at least ten goals short of a top six team and that's taking into account we hammered Northampton for five a few weeks ago which is a freak result so in reality I'd say we're 13-15 goals short and we all know where those goals have gone!
We're on a decent run, long may it continue and hopefully we strengthen in January7
