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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic v Reading: Saturday 4th January 2025: KO 15:00
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Live in Brazil. But attended four this season when over before Christmas.Bailey said:
Elfsborg, genuine question, not a dig, do you attend the matches at the Valley ?ElfsborgAddick said:Bailey said:
It seems to me Elfsborg, that the only measure that would satisfy you is automatic promotion. You only have to look back at the start of the Alan Curbishley/Steve Gritt years to realise that it was not instant success but a steady build up from a poor position. Not to say that Lennie Lawrence did anything wrong but the first game that we played at Upton Park, the squad was threadbare, winning 2-1 incidently, fast forward to the Wembley play off final and the squad was unrecognisable from that day at Upton Park. In between that time we sold and lost some great players, Simon Webster, Robert Lee, Carl Leaburn, Lee Bowyer, Bob Bolder, Colin Walsh, Darren Pitcher. Even when we got to the Premier there was a steady build up of players able to handle that level. There is the early shoots of hope springing up at the Valley and the thing that I absolutely agree with Nathan Jones, Charlie or any of the people running the club, is that considering what has gone before this has to be based on steady progress, not the rarity of overnight success.ElfsborgAddick said:RonnieMoore said:
No its not they want an improvement on last season as the first step in the process.… top 10 would be an improvement.……ElfsborgAddick said:Lewis Coaches said:
Come back to me in August.Callumcafc said:
Blimey. Sack the rest of the season off then. See you in August!Lewis Coaches said:
Win all our remaining home games and pick up a point at every away equals 79 points.Callumcafc said:
On the other end though, that means there’s plenty of poor teams still to come to the Valley where picking off three points consistently will be critical.Pelling1993 said:
Brum, Wycombe, Wrexham & Stockport all away from home will be a tough askCallumcafc said:23 games played and 34 points attained.
Need 41 from the remaining 23 to get to the 75 mark that’s usually needed for top six.
We can do it. 12 points from the last six with only two goals conceded and four clean sheets so recent form is tracking the right way.It’s not going to happen.
Blame first half of season for our downfall .
Anything other than a play-off finish is failure.You know my comment is correct...One place above our finish last season would be an improvement..,.,What process is this?....,.,.A play-off finish as a minimum.4 -
Knee slides make me wince! Especially with our injury record, we don't need to risk injury for an offside goal!
Glad to see TC taking more pots at goal. Jones and Leaburn certainly know how to play through-balls with their foreheads!
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Agree with this about the keeper. He was lucky more than good. Also how shocking was his kicking? How do you consistently slice it when kicking out of your hands?!ValleyGary said:
Few people said this, not sure I get it. 3 pea rollers straight at him and he nearly gifted us a goal. Did well, but Savage was immense. His tackle against TC was quality, made up about 40 yards.msomerton said:
Their man of the match must be the keeper.JamesSeed said:We also could have scored in the first half. 0-0 or 1-1 would have been fair. Could never have been 0-3.Second half we battered them. How we haven’t got the three points I have no idea. Well, poor finishing I guess, but we’re now playing much better, and yet we’re now 7 points from 6th, albeit with a game in hand. Let’s hope they keep their heads up.1 -
Having slept on it, that was a two or three one game to us with the breaks in front of gpal against an in form side. Can we make the play offs, of course we can. Will it be a big ask, of course it will but if we can keep key players fit we can absolutely do it.1
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The reason I ask is that yesterday there was a feel good atmosphere about the place, despite the sub zero temperatures. This is obviously because of the recent upturn of form but I find when I watch on the stream I have a detachment from what is going on in the ground, it's a soulless experience if you like. I have also noticed that posters who are, in the main watching the games by stream, have a more critical eye, that may be a sense of realism, it may not, but trust me, the games you probably watched live were pretty turgid, yesterdays performance and the whole experience in the ground was a world away.ElfsborgAddick said:
Live in Brazil. But attended four this season when over before Christmas.Bailey said:
Elfsborg, genuine question, not a dig, do you attend the matches at the Valley ?ElfsborgAddick said:Bailey said:
It seems to me Elfsborg, that the only measure that would satisfy you is automatic promotion. You only have to look back at the start of the Alan Curbishley/Steve Gritt years to realise that it was not instant success but a steady build up from a poor position. Not to say that Lennie Lawrence did anything wrong but the first game that we played at Upton Park, the squad was threadbare, winning 2-1 incidently, fast forward to the Wembley play off final and the squad was unrecognisable from that day at Upton Park. In between that time we sold and lost some great players, Simon Webster, Robert Lee, Carl Leaburn, Lee Bowyer, Bob Bolder, Colin Walsh, Darren Pitcher. Even when we got to the Premier there was a steady build up of players able to handle that level. There is the early shoots of hope springing up at the Valley and the thing that I absolutely agree with Nathan Jones, Charlie or any of the people running the club, is that considering what has gone before this has to be based on steady progress, not the rarity of overnight success.ElfsborgAddick said:RonnieMoore said:
No its not they want an improvement on last season as the first step in the process.… top 10 would be an improvement.……ElfsborgAddick said:Lewis Coaches said:
Come back to me in August.Callumcafc said:
Blimey. Sack the rest of the season off then. See you in August!Lewis Coaches said:
Win all our remaining home games and pick up a point at every away equals 79 points.Callumcafc said:
On the other end though, that means there’s plenty of poor teams still to come to the Valley where picking off three points consistently will be critical.Pelling1993 said:
Brum, Wycombe, Wrexham & Stockport all away from home will be a tough askCallumcafc said:23 games played and 34 points attained.
Need 41 from the remaining 23 to get to the 75 mark that’s usually needed for top six.
We can do it. 12 points from the last six with only two goals conceded and four clean sheets so recent form is tracking the right way.It’s not going to happen.
Blame first half of season for our downfall .
Anything other than a play-off finish is failure.You know my comment is correct...One place above our finish last season would be an improvement..,.,What process is this?....,.,.A play-off finish as a minimum.20 -
Todds_right_hook said:
Good point but you need to consider that the majority of his crosses have been aimed at gas “the assist ruiner” ahadmeAthletico Charlton said:
I'm a huge Kayne Ramsey fan but he has 0 assists in 18 L1 games since joining us so why do you think his crossing is better?Rothko said:I’ll give Small the benefit of him being a left footed player on the right, but if that had been Ramsay, the crossing would have been a level higher
That would make his crossing really woeful given they only played together 8 out of the 18 games, so if Ramsey is aiming crosses at him most of the time he must have been aiming his crosses at Cambridge or the subs bench for more than half the games. 🤣1 -
Todds_right_hook said:
Good point but you need to consider that the majority of his crosses have been aimed at gas “the ass ruiner” ahadmeAthletico Charlton said:
I'm a huge Kayne Ramsey fan but he has 0 assists in 18 L1 games since joining us so why do you think his crossing is better?Rothko said:I’ll give Small the benefit of him being a left footed player on the right, but if that had been Ramsay, the crossing would have been a level higher
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If we’re ’string enough’ rather than ’strong enough’ then we could become a ’yo yo club.’RonnieMoore said:
4 year plan not only to get promotion but to have a string enough squad stay there and not be a Ho Ho club... Which acturally would be more damaging to the club if we went up to early..ElfsborgAddick said:RonnieMoore said:
No its not they want an improvement on last season as the first step in the process.… top 10 would be an improvement.……ElfsborgAddick said:Lewis Coaches said:
Come back to me in August.Callumcafc said:
Blimey. Sack the rest of the season off then. See you in August!Lewis Coaches said:
Win all our remaining home games and pick up a point at every away equals 79 points.Callumcafc said:
On the other end though, that means there’s plenty of poor teams still to come to the Valley where picking off three points consistently will be critical.Pelling1993 said:
Brum, Wycombe, Wrexham & Stockport all away from home will be a tough askCallumcafc said:23 games played and 34 points attained.
Need 41 from the remaining 23 to get to the 75 mark that’s usually needed for top six.
We can do it. 12 points from the last six with only two goals conceded and four clean sheets so recent form is tracking the right way.It’s not going to happen.
Blame first half of season for our downfall .
Anything other than a play-off finish is failure.You know my comment is correct...One place above our finish last season would be an improvement..,.,What process is this?....,.,.
Joking aside, how could going up be damaging? There’s never a bad time to go up. If you’re not strong enough to stay up then you take the money, come back down and go for it again.
What if you wait for the ’right time’, finish 3rd or 4th and lose in the play offs, as could happen this season to one of Birmingham, Wrexham, Wycombe or Huddersfield, each of which are arguably in ’the right time?'1 -
Fair comment.Bailey said:
The reason I ask is that yesterday there was a feel good atmosphere about the place, despite the sub zero temperatures. This is obviously because of the recent upturn of form but I find when I watch on the stream I have a detachment from what is going on in the ground, it's a soulless experience if you like. I have also noticed that posters who are, in the main watching the games by stream, have a more critical eye, that may be a sense of realism, it may not, but trust me, the games you probably watched live were pretty turgid, yesterdays performance and the whole experience in the ground was a world away.ElfsborgAddick said:
Live in Brazil. But attended four this season when over before Christmas.Bailey said:
Elfsborg, genuine question, not a dig, do you attend the matches at the Valley ?ElfsborgAddick said:Bailey said:
It seems to me Elfsborg, that the only measure that would satisfy you is automatic promotion. You only have to look back at the start of the Alan Curbishley/Steve Gritt years to realise that it was not instant success but a steady build up from a poor position. Not to say that Lennie Lawrence did anything wrong but the first game that we played at Upton Park, the squad was threadbare, winning 2-1 incidently, fast forward to the Wembley play off final and the squad was unrecognisable from that day at Upton Park. In between that time we sold and lost some great players, Simon Webster, Robert Lee, Carl Leaburn, Lee Bowyer, Bob Bolder, Colin Walsh, Darren Pitcher. Even when we got to the Premier there was a steady build up of players able to handle that level. There is the early shoots of hope springing up at the Valley and the thing that I absolutely agree with Nathan Jones, Charlie or any of the people running the club, is that considering what has gone before this has to be based on steady progress, not the rarity of overnight success.ElfsborgAddick said:RonnieMoore said:
No its not they want an improvement on last season as the first step in the process.… top 10 would be an improvement.……ElfsborgAddick said:Lewis Coaches said:
Come back to me in August.Callumcafc said:
Blimey. Sack the rest of the season off then. See you in August!Lewis Coaches said:
Win all our remaining home games and pick up a point at every away equals 79 points.Callumcafc said:
On the other end though, that means there’s plenty of poor teams still to come to the Valley where picking off three points consistently will be critical.Pelling1993 said:
Brum, Wycombe, Wrexham & Stockport all away from home will be a tough askCallumcafc said:23 games played and 34 points attained.
Need 41 from the remaining 23 to get to the 75 mark that’s usually needed for top six.
We can do it. 12 points from the last six with only two goals conceded and four clean sheets so recent form is tracking the right way.It’s not going to happen.
Blame first half of season for our downfall .
Anything other than a play-off finish is failure.You know my comment is correct...One place above our finish last season would be an improvement..,.,What process is this?....,.,.A play-off finish as a minimum.
I was at the Rotherham and Chelsea homes, Reading and Exeter aways.
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Imagine flying all the way from Brazil to see us pick up one point in 3 games 😂ElfsborgAddick said:
Fair comment.Bailey said:
The reason I ask is that yesterday there was a feel good atmosphere about the place, despite the sub zero temperatures. This is obviously because of the recent upturn of form but I find when I watch on the stream I have a detachment from what is going on in the ground, it's a soulless experience if you like. I have also noticed that posters who are, in the main watching the games by stream, have a more critical eye, that may be a sense of realism, it may not, but trust me, the games you probably watched live were pretty turgid, yesterdays performance and the whole experience in the ground was a world away.ElfsborgAddick said:
Live in Brazil. But attended four this season when over before Christmas.Bailey said:
Elfsborg, genuine question, not a dig, do you attend the matches at the Valley ?ElfsborgAddick said:Bailey said:
It seems to me Elfsborg, that the only measure that would satisfy you is automatic promotion. You only have to look back at the start of the Alan Curbishley/Steve Gritt years to realise that it was not instant success but a steady build up from a poor position. Not to say that Lennie Lawrence did anything wrong but the first game that we played at Upton Park, the squad was threadbare, winning 2-1 incidently, fast forward to the Wembley play off final and the squad was unrecognisable from that day at Upton Park. In between that time we sold and lost some great players, Simon Webster, Robert Lee, Carl Leaburn, Lee Bowyer, Bob Bolder, Colin Walsh, Darren Pitcher. Even when we got to the Premier there was a steady build up of players able to handle that level. There is the early shoots of hope springing up at the Valley and the thing that I absolutely agree with Nathan Jones, Charlie or any of the people running the club, is that considering what has gone before this has to be based on steady progress, not the rarity of overnight success.ElfsborgAddick said:RonnieMoore said:
No its not they want an improvement on last season as the first step in the process.… top 10 would be an improvement.……ElfsborgAddick said:Lewis Coaches said:
Come back to me in August.Callumcafc said:
Blimey. Sack the rest of the season off then. See you in August!Lewis Coaches said:
Win all our remaining home games and pick up a point at every away equals 79 points.Callumcafc said:
On the other end though, that means there’s plenty of poor teams still to come to the Valley where picking off three points consistently will be critical.Pelling1993 said:
Brum, Wycombe, Wrexham & Stockport all away from home will be a tough askCallumcafc said:23 games played and 34 points attained.
Need 41 from the remaining 23 to get to the 75 mark that’s usually needed for top six.
We can do it. 12 points from the last six with only two goals conceded and four clean sheets so recent form is tracking the right way.It’s not going to happen.
Blame first half of season for our downfall .
Anything other than a play-off finish is failure.You know my comment is correct...One place above our finish last season would be an improvement..,.,What process is this?....,.,.A play-off finish as a minimum.
I was at the Rotherham and Chelsea homes, Reading and Exeter aways.7 - Sponsored links:
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It ruined the trip over.Todds_right_hook said:
Imagine flying all the way from Brazil to see us pick up one point in 3 games 😂ElfsborgAddick said:
Fair comment.Bailey said:
The reason I ask is that yesterday there was a feel good atmosphere about the place, despite the sub zero temperatures. This is obviously because of the recent upturn of form but I find when I watch on the stream I have a detachment from what is going on in the ground, it's a soulless experience if you like. I have also noticed that posters who are, in the main watching the games by stream, have a more critical eye, that may be a sense of realism, it may not, but trust me, the games you probably watched live were pretty turgid, yesterdays performance and the whole experience in the ground was a world away.ElfsborgAddick said:Live in Brazil. But attended four this season when over before Christmas.
I was at the Rotherham and Chelsea homes, Reading and Exeter aways.0 -
Jones beginning of season said , play offs minimum. If i remember correctly.RonnieMoore said:
No its not they want an improvement on last season as the first step in the process.… top 10 would be an improvement.……ElfsborgAddick said:Lewis Coaches said:
Come back to me in August.Callumcafc said:
Blimey. Sack the rest of the season off then. See you in August!Lewis Coaches said:
Win all our remaining home games and pick up a point at every away equals 79 points.Callumcafc said:
On the other end though, that means there’s plenty of poor teams still to come to the Valley where picking off three points consistently will be critical.Pelling1993 said:
Brum, Wycombe, Wrexham & Stockport all away from home will be a tough askCallumcafc said:23 games played and 34 points attained.
Need 41 from the remaining 23 to get to the 75 mark that’s usually needed for top six.
We can do it. 12 points from the last six with only two goals conceded and four clean sheets so recent form is tracking the right way.It’s not going to happen.
Blame first half of season for our downfall .
Anything other than a play-off finish is failure.
Nathan Jones that is.2 -
Reading becoming a bit of a bogey team for NJ since he’s been here. Although with each match against them we are improving.Really enjoyed the game yesterday, and as people have mentioned we are looking a better footballing team, more fluidity and players seem to have a grasp of there roles, individually and as a team.If this is what NJ is working towards and will improve further then I really hope he’s with us for a good while.Also a couple of weeks ago I was dreading the FA cup game against PNE, but looking like we could give them a good game now!3
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3/4 years more in League 1 will be the end of usRonnieMoore said:
4 year plan not only to get promotion but to have a string enough squad stay there and not be a Ho Ho club... Which acturally would be more damaging to the club if we went up to early..ElfsborgAddick said:RonnieMoore said:
No its not they want an improvement on last season as the first step in the process.… top 10 would be an improvement.……ElfsborgAddick said:Lewis Coaches said:
Come back to me in August.Callumcafc said:
Blimey. Sack the rest of the season off then. See you in August!Lewis Coaches said:
Win all our remaining home games and pick up a point at every away equals 79 points.Callumcafc said:
On the other end though, that means there’s plenty of poor teams still to come to the Valley where picking off three points consistently will be critical.Pelling1993 said:
Brum, Wycombe, Wrexham & Stockport all away from home will be a tough askCallumcafc said:23 games played and 34 points attained.
Need 41 from the remaining 23 to get to the 75 mark that’s usually needed for top six.
We can do it. 12 points from the last six with only two goals conceded and four clean sheets so recent form is tracking the right way.It’s not going to happen.
Blame first half of season for our downfall .
Anything other than a play-off finish is failure.You know my comment is correct...One place above our finish last season would be an improvement..,.,What process is this?....,.,.3 -
Alfie May in the Berry position yesterday and we would have won 3-0CL_Phantom said:Yesterday was a prime example of our one dimensional squad building, we were knocking on the door throughout and just needed a bit of luck/ extra spark and it's 1-0 and 3 points.
We're crying out for some proper attacking influence from the bench, especially in midfield, I'll keep calling for Taylor to make the bench as looking to him in a game like that would offer a lot more than Anderson/ Campbell but, much like May, he just isn't fancied by Jones.
Hopefully we see a midfielder with a bit of quality to come in but I'm not convinced Jones will ever really go for it.
About the game overall, entertaining and Reading impressed given their off field issues. A point is better than none and we didn't suffer from the old "rue your misses chances"
Small and TC short on composure but played well.
Jones quality display again.4 -
Well how times change so quickly,I was up there with a lot of people saying this was the worst Charlton team ever.Now I cant believe the improvement,players like Docherty,Campbell,Small,and others are now looking like they are playing for the shirt,which is all we ask.Add to that our defensive record now Jones is back,and the whole team looks to be on another level.Delighted with the clean sheets,but we now need to get the one nil results to finish it off.I thought yesterdays game was really entertaining,the last 30 minutes was probably in my opinion,the best spell we have played all season,very unlucky not to score.
Now the crunch,some very tough away trips coming up which I think will define our season,4-5 point from the next 4 away games will be a major success.0 -
He has to say that. Imagine if he’d said ‘I’d take mid table’!Lewis Coaches said:
Jones beginning of season said , play offs minimum. If i remember correctly.RonnieMoore said:
No its not they want an improvement on last season as the first step in the process.… top 10 would be an improvement.……ElfsborgAddick said:Lewis Coaches said:
Come back to me in August.Callumcafc said:
Blimey. Sack the rest of the season off then. See you in August!Lewis Coaches said:
Win all our remaining home games and pick up a point at every away equals 79 points.Callumcafc said:
On the other end though, that means there’s plenty of poor teams still to come to the Valley where picking off three points consistently will be critical.Pelling1993 said:
Brum, Wycombe, Wrexham & Stockport all away from home will be a tough askCallumcafc said:23 games played and 34 points attained.
Need 41 from the remaining 23 to get to the 75 mark that’s usually needed for top six.
We can do it. 12 points from the last six with only two goals conceded and four clean sheets so recent form is tracking the right way.It’s not going to happen.
Blame first half of season for our downfall .
Anything other than a play-off finish is failure.
Nathan Jones that is.7 -
The anti-immigration migrant, as I recallElfsborgAddick said:
Live in Brazil. But attended four this season when over before Christmas.Bailey said:
Elfsborg, genuine question, not a dig, do you attend the matches at the Valley ?ElfsborgAddick said:Bailey said:
It seems to me Elfsborg, that the only measure that would satisfy you is automatic promotion. You only have to look back at the start of the Alan Curbishley/Steve Gritt years to realise that it was not instant success but a steady build up from a poor position. Not to say that Lennie Lawrence did anything wrong but the first game that we played at Upton Park, the squad was threadbare, winning 2-1 incidently, fast forward to the Wembley play off final and the squad was unrecognisable from that day at Upton Park. In between that time we sold and lost some great players, Simon Webster, Robert Lee, Carl Leaburn, Lee Bowyer, Bob Bolder, Colin Walsh, Darren Pitcher. Even when we got to the Premier there was a steady build up of players able to handle that level. There is the early shoots of hope springing up at the Valley and the thing that I absolutely agree with Nathan Jones, Charlie or any of the people running the club, is that considering what has gone before this has to be based on steady progress, not the rarity of overnight success.ElfsborgAddick said:RonnieMoore said:
No its not they want an improvement on last season as the first step in the process.… top 10 would be an improvement.……ElfsborgAddick said:Lewis Coaches said:
Come back to me in August.Callumcafc said:
Blimey. Sack the rest of the season off then. See you in August!Lewis Coaches said:
Win all our remaining home games and pick up a point at every away equals 79 points.Callumcafc said:
On the other end though, that means there’s plenty of poor teams still to come to the Valley where picking off three points consistently will be critical.Pelling1993 said:
Brum, Wycombe, Wrexham & Stockport all away from home will be a tough askCallumcafc said:23 games played and 34 points attained.
Need 41 from the remaining 23 to get to the 75 mark that’s usually needed for top six.
We can do it. 12 points from the last six with only two goals conceded and four clean sheets so recent form is tracking the right way.It’s not going to happen.
Blame first half of season for our downfall .
Anything other than a play-off finish is failure.You know my comment is correct...One place above our finish last season would be an improvement..,.,What process is this?....,.,.A play-off finish as a minimum.
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Then the question I'd put to you is why the heck haven't the likes of Docherty, Campbell, Small et al played with the same effort and enthusiasm all season?thickandthin63 said:Well how times change so quickly,I was up there with a lot of people saying this was the worst Charlton team ever.Now I cant believe the improvement,players like Docherty,Campbell,Small,and others are now looking like they are playing for the shirt,which is all we ask.Add to that our defensive record now Jones is back,and the whole team looks to be on another level.Delighted with the clean sheets,but we now need to get the one nil results to finish it off.I thought yesterdays game was really entertaining,the last 30 minutes was probably in my opinion,the best spell we have played all season,very unlucky not to score.
Now the crunch,some very tough away trips coming up which I think will define our season,4-5 point from the next 4 away games will be a major success.
Because the performances against the like of Burton Crawley and Leyton Orient were genuinely some of the worst I have ever seen.4 -
Reading comments from Reading supporters (a confusing start to a sentence!) they were very happy to get a point. They have some very good players, but are really having to rely on kids a lot, especially from the bench.Chippycafc said:Thought it was an entertaining game and Reading gave us a few problems. They had loads of luck when the guy cleared it off the line looks like it just hit him rather than anything else.
Good to see Chiucks come on and give them something else to think about. Another day those chances go in but fair play to Reading they have a great set of youngsters, their manager walked out and their (are/were) under a transfer embargo.
As we've said after similar performances, sometimes you get the lucky breaks, other times you play very well and get nothing.2 - Sponsored links:
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It’s not! You only need to look at the balance of the squad to understand that.Kinsella87 said:If this is what NJ is working towards and will improve further then I really hope he’s with us for a good while.
Long may the improvement continue though.
Enjoyed the match yesterday, rare for a 0-0 to be that entertaining. The northern swing coming up is crucial.0 -
They’ve been looking after their sore necks after watching the ball lumped over their heads for 90 minutes.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
Then the question I'd put to you is why the heck haven't the likes of Docherty, Campbell, Small et al played with the same effort and enthusiasm all season?thickandthin63 said:Well how times change so quickly,I was up there with a lot of people saying this was the worst Charlton team ever.Now I cant believe the improvement,players like Docherty,Campbell,Small,and others are now looking like they are playing for the shirt,which is all we ask.Add to that our defensive record now Jones is back,and the whole team looks to be on another level.Delighted with the clean sheets,but we now need to get the one nil results to finish it off.I thought yesterdays game was really entertaining,the last 30 minutes was probably in my opinion,the best spell we have played all season,very unlucky not to score.
Now the crunch,some very tough away trips coming up which I think will define our season,4-5 point from the next 4 away games will be a major success.
Because the performances against the like of Burton Crawley and Leyton Orient were genuinely some of the worst I have ever seen.
It’s not surprising several players look better when we play decent football.
I don’t think long ball was needed to get to a good place defensively. A more balanced approach would likely have gained more points.3 -
The balance of the bench looks wrong at the moment, with effectively 3 No 9s on it. Surely there must be as pacey winger in the U21s who could have taken the place of one of the strikers, and given us something different from the bench?
Jones clearly doesn't like his bench, as he rarely make all 5 subs (despite this being the busy Christmas period), indeed the last 2 games he's only used 2 of them, and against Cambridge just 3, right at the end to kill time.5 -
Kanu even would give us some pace off of the bench (unless he’s injured at the moment?). I know people will think Dixon is the natural answer but I’m not certain that he’s ready for this level of football, even if only off the bench for 20 mins at the end of a match.killerandflash said:The balance of the bench looks wrong at the moment, with effectively 3 No 9s on it. Surely there must be as pacey winger in the U21s who could have taken the place of one of the strikers, and given us something different from the bench?
Jones clearly doesn't like his bench, as he rarely make all 5 subs (despite this being the busy Christmas period), indeed the last 2 games he's only used 2 of them, and against Cambridge just 3, right at the end to kill time.
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Point of order, it was some way off sub zero temperatures (just in case Elfs was inclined to post a picture of a beach).Bailey said:
The reason I ask is that yesterday there was a feel good atmosphere about the place, despite the sub zero temperatures. This is obviously because of the recent upturn of form but I find when I watch on the stream I have a detachment from what is going on in the ground, it's a soulless experience if you like. I have also noticed that posters who are, in the main watching the games by stream, have a more critical eye, that may be a sense of realism, it may not, but trust me, the games you probably watched live were pretty turgid, yesterdays performance and the whole experience in the ground was a world away.ElfsborgAddick said:
Live in Brazil. But attended four this season when over before Christmas.Bailey said:
Elfsborg, genuine question, not a dig, do you attend the matches at the Valley ?ElfsborgAddick said:Bailey said:
It seems to me Elfsborg, that the only measure that would satisfy you is automatic promotion. You only have to look back at the start of the Alan Curbishley/Steve Gritt years to realise that it was not instant success but a steady build up from a poor position. Not to say that Lennie Lawrence did anything wrong but the first game that we played at Upton Park, the squad was threadbare, winning 2-1 incidently, fast forward to the Wembley play off final and the squad was unrecognisable from that day at Upton Park. In between that time we sold and lost some great players, Simon Webster, Robert Lee, Carl Leaburn, Lee Bowyer, Bob Bolder, Colin Walsh, Darren Pitcher. Even when we got to the Premier there was a steady build up of players able to handle that level. There is the early shoots of hope springing up at the Valley and the thing that I absolutely agree with Nathan Jones, Charlie or any of the people running the club, is that considering what has gone before this has to be based on steady progress, not the rarity of overnight success.ElfsborgAddick said:RonnieMoore said:
No its not they want an improvement on last season as the first step in the process.… top 10 would be an improvement.……ElfsborgAddick said:Lewis Coaches said:
Come back to me in August.Callumcafc said:
Blimey. Sack the rest of the season off then. See you in August!Lewis Coaches said:
Win all our remaining home games and pick up a point at every away equals 79 points.Callumcafc said:
On the other end though, that means there’s plenty of poor teams still to come to the Valley where picking off three points consistently will be critical.Pelling1993 said:
Brum, Wycombe, Wrexham & Stockport all away from home will be a tough askCallumcafc said:23 games played and 34 points attained.
Need 41 from the remaining 23 to get to the 75 mark that’s usually needed for top six.
We can do it. 12 points from the last six with only two goals conceded and four clean sheets so recent form is tracking the right way.It’s not going to happen.
Blame first half of season for our downfall .
Anything other than a play-off finish is failure.You know my comment is correct...One place above our finish last season would be an improvement..,.,What process is this?....,.,.A play-off finish as a minimum.1 -
Didn't Andy Scott say this at the start of the season?ElfsborgAddick said:Bailey said:
It seems to me Elfsborg, that the only measure that would satisfy you is automatic promotion. You only have to look back at the start of the Alan Curbishley/Steve Gritt years to realise that it was not instant success but a steady build up from a poor position. Not to say that Lennie Lawrence did anything wrong but the first game that we played at Upton Park, the squad was threadbare, winning 2-1 incidently, fast forward to the Wembley play off final and the squad was unrecognisable from that day at Upton Park. In between that time we sold and lost some great players, Simon Webster, Robert Lee, Carl Leaburn, Lee Bowyer, Bob Bolder, Colin Walsh, Darren Pitcher. Even when we got to the Premier there was a steady build up of players able to handle that level. There is the early shoots of hope springing up at the Valley and the thing that I absolutely agree with Nathan Jones, Charlie or any of the people running the club, is that considering what has gone before this has to be based on steady progress, not the rarity of overnight success.ElfsborgAddick said:RonnieMoore said:
No its not they want an improvement on last season as the first step in the process.… top 10 would be an improvement.……ElfsborgAddick said:Lewis Coaches said:
Come back to me in August.Callumcafc said:
Blimey. Sack the rest of the season off then. See you in August!Lewis Coaches said:
Win all our remaining home games and pick up a point at every away equals 79 points.Callumcafc said:
On the other end though, that means there’s plenty of poor teams still to come to the Valley where picking off three points consistently will be critical.Pelling1993 said:
Brum, Wycombe, Wrexham & Stockport all away from home will be a tough askCallumcafc said:23 games played and 34 points attained.
Need 41 from the remaining 23 to get to the 75 mark that’s usually needed for top six.
We can do it. 12 points from the last six with only two goals conceded and four clean sheets so recent form is tracking the right way.It’s not going to happen.
Blame first half of season for our downfall .
Anything other than a play-off finish is failure.You know my comment is correct...One place above our finish last season would be an improvement..,.,What process is this?....,.,.A play-off finish as a minimum.0 -
Not sure I follow what you mean here. Fluidity, well drilled players etc - what is he working towards if not that?drawnablank said:
It’s not! You only need to look at the balance of the squad to understand that.Kinsella87 said:If this is what NJ is working towards and will improve further then I really hope he’s with us for a good while.
Long may the improvement continue though.
Enjoyed the match yesterday, rare for a 0-0 to be that entertaining. The northern swing coming up is crucial.1 -
Much more like it, that's how football should be played, 2 teams going at each other, none of this long ball nonsense, none of this trying to play like Barcelona, a good mixture of everything with widemen trying to make things happen. Yes our wide men are not good enough, or at least dont have a good footballing brains, however get in a couple of more with pace to keep TC and small on their toes and we will win more then would lose.
First time I have felt postive after game for a very long time and we didnt even win!! If Jones and the team can keep that up then there will be a good chance getting to the playoffs. I'm still miserable though so fully expect it all to go wrong with as we are an injury or 2 away or player been sold away from being shit again.11 -
Now we have a fit Leaburn it definitely helps. Any ball that went into Ahadme’s feet early season was quickly on its way back at us to defendScoham said:
They’ve been looking after their sore necks after watching the ball lumped over their heads for 90 minutes.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
Then the question I'd put to you is why the heck haven't the likes of Docherty, Campbell, Small et al played with the same effort and enthusiasm all season?thickandthin63 said:Well how times change so quickly,I was up there with a lot of people saying this was the worst Charlton team ever.Now I cant believe the improvement,players like Docherty,Campbell,Small,and others are now looking like they are playing for the shirt,which is all we ask.Add to that our defensive record now Jones is back,and the whole team looks to be on another level.Delighted with the clean sheets,but we now need to get the one nil results to finish it off.I thought yesterdays game was really entertaining,the last 30 minutes was probably in my opinion,the best spell we have played all season,very unlucky not to score.
Now the crunch,some very tough away trips coming up which I think will define our season,4-5 point from the next 4 away games will be a major success.
Because the performances against the like of Burton Crawley and Leyton Orient were genuinely some of the worst I have ever seen.
It’s not surprising several players look better when we play decent football.
I don’t think long ball was needed to get to a good place defensively. A more balanced approach would likely have gained more points.3 -
Is it beyond NJs tactical nous to have TC and Small swop sides for five minutes a couple of times a match? It wont impact our defensive shape too much, but may expose deficiencies in opponents.2
