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Guy Luzon - now with Israel U21s, but maybe not for long? p9

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  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,077
    OsamaBenHamer said:

    Just read in the standard that our players told the high command that they wanted a manager with some experience in the championship or at least in english football. Doubt even they will give him 100% and he hasn't even managed a game yet.

    The players brought in will probably not give a s***, thus a division in the squad also.
  • A-R-T-H-U-R
    A-R-T-H-U-R Posts: 7,678
    lancashire lad said:

    Having seen the video of the press meeting I don't hold out much hope but I'll support whoever he puts on the pitch in a CAFC shirt of whatever colour

    Surely they will all wear the same red shirt?
    :-)
  • jackmasterflash
    jackmasterflash Posts: 569
    I don't think he is terrible but I don't see why we sacked Powell, Riga or peeters before him. Especially Riga and Powell, peeters was still good tho and just one bad run due to a thin squad and he is off, retarded logic.
  • mogodon
    mogodon Posts: 3,406
    How long before Duchatelet gets bored of him and appoints another reject from elsewhere round his empire. We are becoming as much of a laughing stock as Leeds
  • The Prince-e-Paul
    The Prince-e-Paul Posts: 6,688
    The way i see it the manager is a bit like a babysitter. I don't really care who they are, so long as they can do the job well. Clearly previous reputation can create some apprehension (hostility) at the beginning, but once they've started they get the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. If the kids (team) seem to be happy and it creates a harmonious atmosphere (good results), then everyone is happy. So Luzon starts with a clean slate and 100% support, BUT of course this figure can go down as well as back up.
  • grumpyaddick
    grumpyaddick Posts: 6,597

    It's 100% boredom and apathy from me.

  • Fiiiiiish
    Fiiiiiish Posts: 1,671
    I'm pretty sure when he leaves The Valley at whatever date that might bit, he will do so being Charlton's most successful Israeli coach....

    All the best Guy!
  • Stefco
    Stefco Posts: 848
    Davo55 said:

    New song anyone?

    Oh Guy Luzon, Oh Guy Luzon
    It's just so wrong
    You won't stay long
    Oh Guy Luzon

    Oh Guy Luzon, Oh Guy Luzon
    You're Roly's mate
    That's why we hate
    Oh Guy Luzon

    Nah, I think the old Sandie Shaw track, 'Puppet On A String' might be more apt.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,234
    100%
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    One draw one defeat so far, both away games. 0 goals scored, 5 conceded. Average at the moment is half a point per game.
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  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,987
    seth plum said:

    One draw one defeat so far, both away games. 0 goals scored, 5 conceded. Average at the moment is half a point per game.

    No.

    One game, one point. No goals scored no goals conceded.

    1 point per game.
  • The Prince-e-Paul
    The Prince-e-Paul Posts: 6,688
    Very good point today. No up front product yet, but we know that as does Luzon and RD. Let's see what he manage's to prize out of Roland's wallet.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Disagree @ValleyGary mainly because Luzon took more training before Watford than before Wolves, and Damian said they started according to Luzon's instructions against Watford.
    I can see why you call it your way, and I have given reasons why I call it mine.
  • CharltonByBlood
    CharltonByBlood Posts: 1,900
    seth plum said:

    Disagree @ValleyGary mainly because Luzon took more training before Watford than before Wolves, and Damian said they started according to Luzon's instructions against Watford.
    I can see why you call it your way, and I have given reasons why I call it mine.

    He has been in charge for 1 game Seth stop being ridiculous
  • dizzee
    dizzee Posts: 5,616
    edited January 2015
    IdleHans said:

    I will give him 61% support, then see how it goes.

    I'd give him 1
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,032
    seth plum said:

    Disagree @ValleyGary mainly because Luzon took more training before Watford than before Wolves, and Damian said they started according to Luzon's instructions against Watford.
    I can see why you call it your way, and I have given reasons why I call it mine.

    I'd be really pissed of if someone tried to foist a 5-0 defeat on my record when I'd been told that I'm not allowed to work. It's not a matter of opinion it's a matter of law - last weeks defeat was not Luzon's.
  • GretnaGreenAddick
    GretnaGreenAddick Posts: 3,085
    Second game under Luzon IMO, sounds like a much better performance, just because it was not legal does not suddenly make his ideas and training that the club and Damien Matthew confirmed not count from last week.

    Pleased to see he learned from last weeks mistakes, a 5 goal tally improvement, so hopefully we keep this momentum going next week when we put 5 past Rotherham. :)
  • HantsAddick
    HantsAddick Posts: 2,423
    Stig said:

    seth plum said:

    Disagree @ValleyGary mainly because Luzon took more training before Watford than before Wolves, and Damian said they started according to Luzon's instructions against Watford.
    I can see why you call it your way, and I have given reasons why I call it mine.

    I'd be really pissed of if someone tried to foist a 5-0 defeat on my record when I'd been told that I'm not allowed to work. It's not a matter of opinion it's a matter of law - last weeks defeat was not Luzon's.
    He had worked before he was told he wasn't allowed to though.

  • cafcsinger
    cafcsinger Posts: 5,549
    edited January 2015
    seth plum said:

    Disagree @ValleyGary mainly because Luzon took more training before Watford than before Wolves, and Damian said they started according to Luzon's instructions against Watford.
    I can see why you call it your way, and I have given reasons why I call it mine.

    Sorry but that is just bollox. You wouldn't be saying that if Chris Powell had taken training and issued 'instructions'. Get behind the new bloke.
  • HantsAddick
    HantsAddick Posts: 2,423
    The players always have my full support. New managers/coaches have to earn it.
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  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    cafcsinger said:

    seth plum said:

    Disagree @ValleyGary mainly because Luzon took more training before Watford than before Wolves, and Damian said they started according to Luzon's instructions against Watford.
    I can see why you call it your way, and I have given reasons why I call it mine.

    Sorry but that is just bollox. You wouldn't be saying that if Chris Powell had taking training and issued 'instructions'. Get behind the new bloke.
    Get behind the new bloke huh? I have mentioned a positive from today on the post match thread, and I have consistently stated how much I am in synch with Luzon's statement 'I like to win, I don't like to lose'. I am not going to write him a supporting blank cheque just because he is the head coach at Charlton Athletic, as our new Alex Ferguson I expect wins, and then I will fully behind him.

  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    CharltonByBlood said:

    seth plum said:

    Disagree @ValleyGary mainly because Luzon took more training before Watford than before Wolves, and Damian said they started according to Luzon's instructions against Watford.
    I can see why you call it your way, and I have given reasons why I call it mine.

    He has been in charge for 1 game Seth stop being ridiculous
    If he wasn't in charge at Watford because of the formalities, then he was as much a non influence at Wolverhampton given the comparison of Sparrows Lane 'flying hours' since his stop start appointment.
    Maybe both results are down to Ben Roberts and Damian Matthews then?
    Maybe both results are down to Mr d or Ms M.

    Or maybe the two matches we have played since his appointment (it was on the OS) are both down to him.
  • nth_london_addick
    nth_london_addick Posts: 35,919
    Maybe Watford are just on a mad insane run of form and they might spank.the next team by even more than they did us eh
  • TravHouse
    TravHouse Posts: 448
    seth plum said:

    Disagree @ValleyGary mainly because Luzon took more training before Watford than before Wolves, and Damian said they started according to Luzon's instructions against Watford.
    I can see why you call it your way, and I have given reasons why I call it mine.

    He has said in his post match interview tonight that he was in charge of only 1 training session before Watford..
  • HantsAddick
    HantsAddick Posts: 2,423
    TravHouse said:

    seth plum said:

    Disagree @ValleyGary mainly because Luzon took more training before Watford than before Wolves, and Damian said they started according to Luzon's instructions against Watford.
    I can see why you call it your way, and I have given reasons why I call it mine.

    He has said in his post match interview tonight that he was in charge of only 1 training session before Watford..
    TravHouse said:

    seth plum said:

    Disagree @ValleyGary mainly because Luzon took more training before Watford than before Wolves, and Damian said they started according to Luzon's instructions against Watford.
    I can see why you call it your way, and I have given reasons why I call it mine.

    He has said in his post match interview tonight that he was in charge of only 1 training session before Watford..
    yes, but bearing in mind, he wasn't legally allowed to be in charge of any, he could hardly say, it was all my own work, could he? Plus, he got off with a 0 - 5 drubbing in his first game.

  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,032
    seth plum said:

    CharltonByBlood said:

    seth plum said:

    Disagree @ValleyGary mainly because Luzon took more training before Watford than before Wolves, and Damian said they started according to Luzon's instructions against Watford.
    I can see why you call it your way, and I have given reasons why I call it mine.

    He has been in charge for 1 game Seth stop being ridiculous
    If he wasn't in charge at Watford because of the formalities, then he was as much a non influence at Wolverhampton given the comparison of Sparrows Lane 'flying hours' since his stop start appointment.
    Maybe both results are down to Ben Roberts and Damian Matthews then?
    Maybe both results are down to Mr d or Ms M.

    Or maybe the two matches we have played since his appointment (it was on the OS) are both down to him.
    Well, if we're quoting the official site, I'll take your "it was on the OS" and raise it with "First-Team Coach Damian Matthew and Goalkeeping Coach Ben Roberts took charge of the Addicks at Vicarage Road".
  • LuckyReds
    LuckyReds Posts: 5,866
    TravHouse said:

    seth plum said:

    Disagree @ValleyGary mainly because Luzon took more training before Watford than before Wolves, and Damian said they started according to Luzon's instructions against Watford.
    I can see why you call it your way, and I have given reasons why I call it mine.

    He has said in his post match interview tonight that he was in charge of only 1 training session before Watford..
    He got his Work Permit on Thursday... So, how many training sessions had he taken before Wolves? Surely one (Friday) at the most...?

    Not meaning to argue, just pointing out that that probably isn't the best argument given you're crediting him for todays result.
  • TravHouse
    TravHouse Posts: 448
    LuckyReds said:

    TravHouse said:

    seth plum said:

    Disagree @ValleyGary mainly because Luzon took more training before Watford than before Wolves, and Damian said they started according to Luzon's instructions against Watford.
    I can see why you call it your way, and I have given reasons why I call it mine.

    He has said in his post match interview tonight that he was in charge of only 1 training session before Watford..
    He got his Work Permit on Thursday... So, how many training sessions had he taken before Wolves? Surely one (Friday) at the most...?

    Not meaning to argue, just pointing out that that probably isn't the best argument given you're crediting him for todays result.
    I haven't credited him with anything.. just a bit funny how he seems to be on a hiding to nothing regardless
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Stig said:

    seth plum said:

    CharltonByBlood said:

    seth plum said:

    Disagree @ValleyGary mainly because Luzon took more training before Watford than before Wolves, and Damian said they started according to Luzon's instructions against Watford.
    I can see why you call it your way, and I have given reasons why I call it mine.

    He has been in charge for 1 game Seth stop being ridiculous
    If he wasn't in charge at Watford because of the formalities, then he was as much a non influence at Wolverhampton given the comparison of Sparrows Lane 'flying hours' since his stop start appointment.
    Maybe both results are down to Ben Roberts and Damian Matthews then?
    Maybe both results are down to Mr d or Ms M.

    Or maybe the two matches we have played since his appointment (it was on the OS) are both down to him.
    Well, if we're quoting the official site, I'll take your "it was on the OS" and raise it with "First-Team Coach Damian Matthew and Goalkeeping Coach Ben Roberts took charge of the Addicks at Vicarage Road".
    It was a bit like taking charge when the manager has a touchline ban. The manager was in the stands at Watford.
    Sorry, head coach.
  • CharltonByBlood
    CharltonByBlood Posts: 1,900
    No I'm not having it, If we had have lost today it would have either been "Luzon lost his 1st game or 2 defeats in a row blah blah blah"

    He picks up a good point but yet it's not being credited to him? I'm sure if it was Powell it would be completely different.

    Here some quotes from his interview

    "To be honest with you, last week I only made one training. This week is the first week I’ve started to work, be with the team and know the players.

    “We have players with fantastic character, intelligent players. Within two, three days, they’ve got the message. Of course we need to improve and continue".

    Now that says to me this week he took training in build up to the game and we closed down Alot more today and seemed more organised.

    I'm not saying he is the best thing since slice bread but give the guy some credit ffs far to many full grown men need to grow up on this forum.

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