I am beginning to become a bit concerned for Poyet. Certainly his path to the top seems to have had its challenges. No doubt because of his parentage he will have received far more attention than most as he started to develop in the game. There are always pluses and minuses when following a famous father in the same sport.
Always touted as a talent in central midfield the club under Powell went through about 5 other players before giving him his chance in the first team. One of which was one of his peers, Cousins who was a converted fullback/ defender. The rumour he was held back because under S&J the club could not afford to pay him what he was due under the terms of his contract seemed very odd. Even if it were true, if offered the chance of first team football, why would you not waive/ defer part of the contract.
There is no doubt the lad has genuine ability. He is technically very good, has decent mobility and can read a game very well. He did an excellent job for us in centre midfield, showing excellent defensive qualities in a limited role. For me while he offers just a little more than Cousins "in that role" Cousins has shown he is capable of making an excellent contribution in a number of different roles.
Poyet, in half a season, established himself as a first team regular in a Championship side. He had the perfect opportunity to develop and grow in terms of both experience and developing his game with us, while still picking up a decent contract to give him financial security and an improved pay packet.
He chose to go for improved financial package and test himself with a bigger club, one that for all of its rhetoric no longer supports bringing through young players. It is a long time since the days of Ince, Cole, Johnson, Lampard and "Defoe". Only Noble and Tomkins have made the grade in recent years.
He chose to put himself in "a bigger melting pot" of those fighting to get a chance to play. It has not gone well and now 15months later it appears he is back where he started in having to prove all over gain he can establish himself as a first team regular in the Championship.
I see no reason why he cannot do just that but whether it will open the doors for him at West Ham, who appear to be scouring the land from Huddlestone to Barton to find yet more central midfield players, is quite another matter. Quite why they would pick the 16yr old Oxford in front of him is a puzzle but then that just seems to fit the Poyet profile to this point.
I still wish him well. I wish he had made different decisions but he still carries the label "made in Charlton".
Cousins and Poyet might not have been playing beside each other in central midfield but we could all see which player was the one who galvanised the team and turned the season. Cousins had a great year too but I wonder if those who voted for him were swayed by the Poyet's contract situation and the knowledge he was likely to leave?
Cousins and Poyet might not have been playing beside each other in central midfield but we could all see which player was the one who galvanised the team and turned the season. Cousins had a great year too but I wonder if those who voted for him were swayed by the Poyet's contract situation and the knowledge he was likely to leave?
Not so in my case. It was a very good performance by Poyet for not quite half a season (the half nearest the voting date for those with a short attention span) vs a steady performance for 47 games for Cousins and two very important goals. I voted for a Player of the Year award: not a Player of Four Months.
If at the end of 13/14 we could only have kept Cousins or Poyet, at the time, I would have chosen Poyet. I thought he was more valuable to the team. Either way, I'd say we've moved on from the whole issue fairly quickly. The hangover from Poyet leaving is negligible compared to the hangover of Parker leaving, in my opinion. For me, the disappointing aspect is the loss of 'what could have been', rather than the loss of what is/was.
If at the end of 13/14 we could only have kept Cousins or Poyet, at the time, I would have chosen Poyet. I thought he was more valuable to the team. Either way, I'd say we've moved on from the whole issue fairly quickly. The hangover from Poyet leaving is negligible compared to the hangover of Parker leaving, in my opinion. For me, the disappointing aspect is the loss of 'what could have been', rather than the loss of what is/was.
I do wonder if this year has affected his development. He was one, if not the, best player in our side for half a season. He played seven minutes of Premier League football and a couple of games on loan at Huddersfield. They didn't extend his loan and he was not even in their team by the end of the loan.
I was disappointed when he left (not angry) because I'd enjoyed watching him play. I'm not all that bothered about getting real money for players any more. We are the plaything of a multi-millionaire, that doesn't attend games, so there is no way to know what implication big transfer fees have on our squad, but I'm inclined to believe not very much.
If we'd sold Poyet next summer for £10m I don't, personally, believe we would have a bigger transfer kitty than his leaving for nothing (or a compensation package).
I thought he showed real promise and a maturity that most players don't have by the time they retire. I thought West Ham was a good club for him. I thought he'd play a bit. I don't follow West Ham so I don't know if they brought in many better players (Alex Song being one) of if Poyet was not as good as we thought but I do, now, wonder if he will ever see him achieve as much as I was convinced he would have done fifteen months ago. Time will tell.
I do wonder if this year has affected his development. He was one, if not the, best player in our side for half a season. He played seven minutes of Premier League football and a couple of games on loan at Huddersfield. They didn't extend his loan and he was not even in their team by the end of the loan.
I was disappointed when he left (not angry) because I'd enjoyed watching him play. I'm not all that bothered about getting real money for players any more. We are the plaything of a multi-millionaire, that doesn't attend games, so there is no way to know what implication big transfer fees have on our squad, but I'm inclined to believe not very much.
If we'd sold Poyet next summer for £10m I don't, personally, believe we would have a bigger transfer kitty than his leaving for nothing (or a compensation package).
I thought he showed real promise and a maturity that most players don't have by the time they retire. I thought West Ham was a good club for him. I thought he'd play a bit. I don't follow West Ham so I don't know if they brought in many better players (Alex Song being one) of if Poyet was not as good as we thought but I do, now, wonder if he will ever see him achieve as much as I was convinced he would have done fifteen months ago. Time will tell.
I think he was ill advised in too much of a hurry to leave charlton As it didnt fit his profile any more,
He was without doubt a talented kid who when In the team played so well, I also believed he had the talent to go on to bigger and better things, I believed then as I do still now, that the only obstacle in Diegos way is Diego and his own ego, he has a bit of the Bostock about him and like Bostock he needs to drop a level to find himself
I think he was ill advised in too much of a hurry to leave charlton As it didnt fit his profile any more,
He was without doubt a talented kid who when In the team played so well, I also believed he had the talent to go on to bigger and better things, I believed then as I do still now, that the only obstacle in Diegos way is Diego and his own ego, he has a bit of the Bostock about him and like Bostock he needs to drop a level to find himself
Oh the irony if his career goes the same way as Bostock, especially as the latter is now playing in Belgium
Poyet was excellent for us but West Ham's exit from the Europa Cup has done for him this season, even though they've not signed Alex Song for that position.
There'll be no extra appearance money coming our way this season. Probably the best we can hope for financially is that he does well at MK and West Ham sell him to a Championship club, generating a percentage sell-on fee over and above the undisclosed fee we received. How are Bristol City placed for midfielders ?
I suppose he could possibly return to the Happy Hammers next year and force his way into the side but they'll have splashed a further lot of cash in the transfer market by then and it's looking less likely. He's still only 20, though and a very talented player, so plenty of time to try and work his way up the ladder.
Poyet was excellent for us but West Ham's exit from the Europa Cup has done for him this season, even though they've not signed Alex Song for that position.
There'll be no extra appearance money coming our way this season. Probably the best we can hope for financially is that he does well at MK and West Ham sell him to a Championship club, generating a percentage sell-on fee over and above the undisclosed fee we received. How are Bristol City placed for midfielders ?
I suppose he could possibly return to the Happy Hammers next year and force his way into the side but they'll have splashed a further lot of cash in the transfer market by then and it's looking less likely. He's still only 20, though and a very talented player, so plenty of time to try and work his way up the ladder.
How do we get appearance money when he was out of contract? I thought there was just a flat fee (possibly way below market value) when young players leave in those circumstances?
EDIT - I just looked it up, it appears there can be add ons, do we know this is the case here, or is it just speculation?
There are definitely add-ons (albeit undisclosed). My recollection is that this was mentioned informally by the club at one of the supporter meetings. In the absence of an agreement with West Ham, the Tribunal would (as they do in other cases) have made an award of an up-front fee plus additional scaled payments for appearances, a percentage of any sell-on profit etc., so you'd fully expect the deal reached to reflect that, especially as the initial fee presumably wasn't that large.
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I am beginning to become a bit concerned for Poyet. Certainly his path to the top seems to have had its challenges. No doubt because of his parentage he will have received far more attention than most as he started to develop in the game. There are always pluses and minuses when following a famous father in the same sport.
Always touted as a talent in central midfield the club under Powell went through about 5 other players before giving him his chance in the first team. One of which was one of his peers, Cousins who was a converted fullback/ defender. The rumour he was held back because under S&J the club could not afford to pay him what he was due under the terms of his contract seemed very odd. Even if it were true, if offered the chance of first team football, why would you not waive/ defer part of the contract.
There is no doubt the lad has genuine ability. He is technically very good, has decent mobility and can read a game very well. He did an excellent job for us in centre midfield, showing excellent defensive qualities in a limited role. For me while he offers just a little more than Cousins "in that role" Cousins has shown he is capable of making an excellent contribution in a number of different roles.
Poyet, in half a season, established himself as a first team regular in a Championship side. He had the perfect opportunity to develop and grow in terms of both experience and developing his game with us, while still picking up a decent contract to give him financial security and an improved pay packet.
He chose to go for improved financial package and test himself with a bigger club, one that for all of its rhetoric no longer supports bringing through young players. It is a long time since the days of Ince, Cole, Johnson, Lampard and "Defoe". Only Noble and Tomkins have made the grade in recent years.
He chose to put himself in "a bigger melting pot" of those fighting to get a chance to play. It has not gone well and now 15months later it appears he is back where he started in having to prove all over gain he can establish himself as a first team regular in the Championship.
I see no reason why he cannot do just that but whether it will open the doors for him at West Ham, who appear to be scouring the land from Huddlestone to Barton to find yet more central midfield players, is quite another matter. Quite why they would pick the 16yr old Oxford in front of him is a puzzle but then that just seems to fit the Poyet profile to this point.
I still wish him well. I wish he had made different decisions but he still carries the label "made in Charlton".
@diegopoyet7: @cafc_mad I will post the truth when I sign with a new club. Do not want to jeopardise myself before then.
I was disappointed when he left (not angry) because I'd enjoyed watching him play. I'm not all that bothered about getting real money for players any more. We are the plaything of a multi-millionaire, that doesn't attend games, so there is no way to know what implication big transfer fees have on our squad, but I'm inclined to believe not very much.
If we'd sold Poyet next summer for £10m I don't, personally, believe we would have a bigger transfer kitty than his leaving for nothing (or a compensation package).
I thought he showed real promise and a maturity that most players don't have by the time they retire. I thought West Ham was a good club for him. I thought he'd play a bit. I don't follow West Ham so I don't know if they brought in many better players (Alex Song being one) of if Poyet was not as good as we thought but I do, now, wonder if he will ever see him achieve as much as I was convinced he would have done fifteen months ago. Time will tell.
He was without doubt a talented kid who when In the team played so well, I also believed he had the talent to go on to bigger and better things, I believed then as I do still now, that the only obstacle in Diegos way is Diego and his own ego, he has a bit of the Bostock about him and like Bostock he needs to drop a level to find himself
There'll be no extra appearance money coming our way this season. Probably the best we can hope for financially is that he does well at MK and West Ham sell him to a Championship club, generating a percentage sell-on fee over and above the undisclosed fee we received. How are Bristol City placed for midfielders ?
I suppose he could possibly return to the Happy Hammers next year and force his way into the side but they'll have splashed a further lot of cash in the transfer market by then and it's looking less likely. He's still only 20, though and a very talented player, so plenty of time to try and work his way up the ladder.
EDIT - I just looked it up, it appears there can be add ons, do we know this is the case here, or is it just speculation?