Euro 2016 - The Football Thread
Comments
-
Really rather depends what you have to do to qualify as 'great'. I'll flip the question back to you and ask you who you think are the great players at the tournament.Charltonparklane said:Who are their 'great' players though?
Hazard - Been arguably shite all season
Lukaku - Good Striker but Kenwyn Jones had a couple of outstanding seasons
Benteke - Ditto above
Feilani - Again arguably just above average Prem Midfielder last 2 seasons
Be Bruyne - I would class him as a Very good Player, amongst a side of Superstars, possibly their one World Class Player IMO
Cortois - Very good but wasn't outstanding last season, again, IMO wasn't in top 3 Prem Keepers last year.
Id love to be proved wrong but as per a few on here I believe they are overated.0 -
So who is getting out of the Groups then?
Group A... France ... Switzerland
Group B... England ... Russia ... Wales
Group C... Germany ... Poland
Group D... Spain ... Turkey ... Croatia
Group E... Italy ... Belgium ... Sweden
Group F... Portugal ... Iceland ... Austria0 -
RonaldoExiled_Addick said:
Really rather depends what you have to do to qualify as 'great'. I'll flip the question back to you and ask you who you think are the great players at the tournament.Charltonparklane said:Who are their 'great' players though?
Hazard - Been arguably shite all season
Lukaku - Good Striker but Kenwyn Jones had a couple of outstanding seasons
Benteke - Ditto above
Feilani - Again arguably just above average Prem Midfielder last 2 seasons
Be Bruyne - I would class him as a Very good Player, amongst a side of Superstars, possibly their one World Class Player IMO
Cortois - Very good but wasn't outstanding last season, again, IMO wasn't in top 3 Prem Keepers last year.
Id love to be proved wrong but as per a few on here I believe they are overated.
Ibra
De Bruyne
Modric
David Silva
Muller
Hummels
Greizmann
Pogba
Neuer
De Gea
Pique
Ramos
Alba
Iniesta
Lewandowski
Bale0 -
Mertens has been effective at Napoli and Nainggolan was one of Roma's stand out players this year. Carrasco has impressed a heck of lot of people in Spain.Charltonparklane said:
Hazard - Been arguably shite all season
Lukaku - Good Striker but Kenwyn Jones had a couple of outstanding seasons
Benteke - Ditto above
Feilani - Again arguably just above average Prem Midfielder last 2 seasons
Be Bruyne - I would class him as a Very good Player, amongst a side of Superstars, possibly their one World Class Player IMO
Cortois - Very good but wasn't outstanding last season, again, IMO wasn't in top 3 Prem Keepers last year.
Id love to be proved wrong but as per a few on here I believe they are overated.
Not saying they're top class but you're only considering players who play in England.1 -
ValleyGary said:
RonaldoExiled_Addick said:
Really rather depends what you have to do to qualify as 'great'. I'll flip the question back to you and ask you who you think are the great players at the tournament.Charltonparklane said:Who are their 'great' players though?
Hazard - Been arguably shite all season
Lukaku - Good Striker but Kenwyn Jones had a couple of outstanding seasons
Benteke - Ditto above
Feilani - Again arguably just above average Prem Midfielder last 2 seasons
Be Bruyne - I would class him as a Very good Player, amongst a side of Superstars, possibly their one World Class Player IMO
Cortois - Very good but wasn't outstanding last season, again, IMO wasn't in top 3 Prem Keepers last year.
Id love to be proved wrong but as per a few on here I believe they are overated.
Ibra
De Bruyne
Modric
David Silva
Muller
Hummels
Greizmann
Pogba
Neuer
De Gea
Pique
Ramos
Alba
Iniesta
Lewandowski
Bale
Don't think I really need to add to that, however, nobody really rates Englands chances and IMO also are not an outstanding side, however, Id prob only take De Bruyne and Hazard and maybe Vetonghen to add to our side from Belgium.
Just my opinion mind.
0 -
ChurchValleyGary said:
RonaldoExiled_Addick said:
Really rather depends what you have to do to qualify as 'great'. I'll flip the question back to you and ask you who you think are the great players at the tournament.Charltonparklane said:Who are their 'great' players though?
Hazard - Been arguably shite all season
Lukaku - Good Striker but Kenwyn Jones had a couple of outstanding seasons
Benteke - Ditto above
Feilani - Again arguably just above average Prem Midfielder last 2 seasons
Be Bruyne - I would class him as a Very good Player, amongst a side of Superstars, possibly their one World Class Player IMO
Cortois - Very good but wasn't outstanding last season, again, IMO wasn't in top 3 Prem Keepers last year.
Id love to be proved wrong but as per a few on here I believe they are overated.
Ibra
De Bruyne
Modric
David Silva
Muller
Hummels
Greizmann
Pogba
Neuer
De Gea
Pique
Ramos
Alba
Iniesta
Lewandowski
Bale0 -
So from that list:ValleyGary said:
RonaldoExiled_Addick said:
Really rather depends what you have to do to qualify as 'great'. I'll flip the question back to you and ask you who you think are the great players at the tournament.Charltonparklane said:Who are their 'great' players though?
Hazard - Been arguably shite all season
Lukaku - Good Striker but Kenwyn Jones had a couple of outstanding seasons
Benteke - Ditto above
Feilani - Again arguably just above average Prem Midfielder last 2 seasons
Be Bruyne - I would class him as a Very good Player, amongst a side of Superstars, possibly their one World Class Player IMO
Cortois - Very good but wasn't outstanding last season, again, IMO wasn't in top 3 Prem Keepers last year.
Id love to be proved wrong but as per a few on here I believe they are overated.
Ibra
De Bruyne
Modric
David Silva
Muller
Hummels
Greizmann
Pogba
Neuer
De Gea
Pique
Ramos
Alba
Iniesta
Lewandowski
Bale
Spain 5
Germany 3
France 2
Austria 1
Belgium 1
Croatia 1
Poland 1
Portugal 1
Sweden 1
Of the teams with 1 'great player' Belgium have easily the strongest squad imo, and a few other players that may well be in the French, German or Spanish squads if they were the right nationality. Don't see what's wrong with my assertion they are the best of the dark horses behind France, Spain and Germany who are the stand-out contenders (none of them without their issues, mind you).
0 -
I think the thing is mate that people have spoken about them as dark horses for about 6 years.Exiled_Addick said:
So from that list:ValleyGary said:
RonaldoExiled_Addick said:
Really rather depends what you have to do to qualify as 'great'. I'll flip the question back to you and ask you who you think are the great players at the tournament.Charltonparklane said:Who are their 'great' players though?
Hazard - Been arguably shite all season
Lukaku - Good Striker but Kenwyn Jones had a couple of outstanding seasons
Benteke - Ditto above
Feilani - Again arguably just above average Prem Midfielder last 2 seasons
Be Bruyne - I would class him as a Very good Player, amongst a side of Superstars, possibly their one World Class Player IMO
Cortois - Very good but wasn't outstanding last season, again, IMO wasn't in top 3 Prem Keepers last year.
Id love to be proved wrong but as per a few on here I believe they are overated.
Ibra
De Bruyne
Modric
David Silva
Muller
Hummels
Greizmann
Pogba
Neuer
De Gea
Pique
Ramos
Alba
Iniesta
Lewandowski
Bale
Spain 5
Germany 3
France 2
Austria 1
Belgium 1
Croatia 1
Poland 1
Portugal 1
Sweden 1
Of the teams with 1 'great player' Belgium have easily the strongest squad imo, and a few other players that may well be in the French, German or Spanish squads if they were the right nationality. Don't see what's wrong with my assertion they are the best of the dark horses behind France, Spain and Germany who are the stand-out contenders (none of them without their issues, mind you).
Not much come to fruition though, as per England.0 -
Dembele, Vertonghen, Alderweireld? The three of them have just had fantastic seasons for Spurs. The centre back pair in particular woul be a significant upgrade on Smalling/Cahil/Stones.Charltonparklane said:ValleyGary said:
RonaldoExiled_Addick said:
Really rather depends what you have to do to qualify as 'great'. I'll flip the question back to you and ask you who you think are the great players at the tournament.Charltonparklane said:Who are their 'great' players though?
Hazard - Been arguably shite all season
Lukaku - Good Striker but Kenwyn Jones had a couple of outstanding seasons
Benteke - Ditto above
Feilani - Again arguably just above average Prem Midfielder last 2 seasons
Be Bruyne - I would class him as a Very good Player, amongst a side of Superstars, possibly their one World Class Player IMO
Cortois - Very good but wasn't outstanding last season, again, IMO wasn't in top 3 Prem Keepers last year.
Id love to be proved wrong but as per a few on here I believe they are overated.
Ibra
De Bruyne
Modric
David Silva
Muller
Hummels
Greizmann
Pogba
Neuer
De Gea
Pique
Ramos
Alba
Iniesta
Lewandowski
Bale
Don't think I really need to add to that, however, nobody really rates Englands chances and IMO also are not an outstanding side, however, Id prob only take De Bruyne and Hazard and maybe Vetonghen to add to our side from Belgium.
Just my opinion mind.
Much as I like Milner, Dembele is a better player than either him or Henderson.2 -
The excitement is really kicking in now.
There really is an interesting narrative going into this tournament regarding France. The people are obviously still reeling after what they have been going through socially over the last year or so, and this tournament is being looked at as an opportunity for them to all be brought together again.0 - Sponsored links:
-
I think England were 2 CHs away from being Tournament Favs in my eyes.0
-
Maybe this will be the tournament when it all comes together for them. A lot worse squads have won this tournament. Ive just never seen them play well.Exiled_Addick said:
So from that list:ValleyGary said:
RonaldoExiled_Addick said:
Really rather depends what you have to do to qualify as 'great'. I'll flip the question back to you and ask you who you think are the great players at the tournament.Charltonparklane said:Who are their 'great' players though?
Hazard - Been arguably shite all season
Lukaku - Good Striker but Kenwyn Jones had a couple of outstanding seasons
Benteke - Ditto above
Feilani - Again arguably just above average Prem Midfielder last 2 seasons
Be Bruyne - I would class him as a Very good Player, amongst a side of Superstars, possibly their one World Class Player IMO
Cortois - Very good but wasn't outstanding last season, again, IMO wasn't in top 3 Prem Keepers last year.
Id love to be proved wrong but as per a few on here I believe they are overated.
Ibra
De Bruyne
Modric
David Silva
Muller
Hummels
Greizmann
Pogba
Neuer
De Gea
Pique
Ramos
Alba
Iniesta
Lewandowski
Bale
Spain 5
Germany 3
France 2
Austria 1
Belgium 1
Croatia 1
Poland 1
Portugal 1
Sweden 1
Of the teams with 1 'great player' Belgium have easily the strongest squad imo, and a few other players that may well be in the French, German or Spanish squads if they were the right nationality. Don't see what's wrong with my assertion they are the best of the dark horses behind France, Spain and Germany who are the stand-out contenders (none of them without their issues, mind you).0 -
Not really, they were first talked about before the last world cup, so 2 years ago. They didn't even qualify for Euro 2012 so can hardly have been talked about then. Most of the sensible punditry I heard about them last time centred on their potential but marked them out as being too young - for example Courtois and De Bruyne were 22, Hazard 23, Lukaku 21. They didn't really impress, I know, but they got to the quarter finals and only Netherlands and Germany went further from Europe and the Dutch aren't here this time.Charltonparklane said:
I think the thing is mate that people have spoken about them as dark horses for about 6 years.Exiled_Addick said:
So from that list:ValleyGary said:
RonaldoExiled_Addick said:
Really rather depends what you have to do to qualify as 'great'. I'll flip the question back to you and ask you who you think are the great players at the tournament.Charltonparklane said:Who are their 'great' players though?
Hazard - Been arguably shite all season
Lukaku - Good Striker but Kenwyn Jones had a couple of outstanding seasons
Benteke - Ditto above
Feilani - Again arguably just above average Prem Midfielder last 2 seasons
Be Bruyne - I would class him as a Very good Player, amongst a side of Superstars, possibly their one World Class Player IMO
Cortois - Very good but wasn't outstanding last season, again, IMO wasn't in top 3 Prem Keepers last year.
Id love to be proved wrong but as per a few on here I believe they are overated.
Ibra
De Bruyne
Modric
David Silva
Muller
Hummels
Greizmann
Pogba
Neuer
De Gea
Pique
Ramos
Alba
Iniesta
Lewandowski
Bale
Spain 5
Germany 3
France 2
Austria 1
Belgium 1
Croatia 1
Poland 1
Portugal 1
Sweden 1
Of the teams with 1 'great player' Belgium have easily the strongest squad imo, and a few other players that may well be in the French, German or Spanish squads if they were the right nationality. Don't see what's wrong with my assertion they are the best of the dark horses behind France, Spain and Germany who are the stand-out contenders (none of them without their issues, mind you).
Not much come to fruition though, as per England.0 -
One of the big boys usually crashes out too - I have a sneaking suspicion Germany are going to underperform badly for a change.0
-
Totally agree. IMO, All three of them would walk straight into the current England squad and likely starting XI.Exiled_Addick said:
Dembele, Vertonghen, Alderweireld? The three of them have just had fantastic seasons for Spurs. The centre back pair in particular woul be a significant upgrade on Smalling/Cahil/Stones.
Much as I like Milner, Dembele is a better player than either him or Henderson.
Sorry, forgot to take off my kippah...0 -
According to BBC weather it's in the low 80's now....better pack some sun screen. Nice is a fantastic city...enjoy.se9addick said:
I bloody hope it wasn't 80c+ when you were there !Hastingsaddick said:
Was out there this time last year....agree lovely city the views from the hill with the church on it are well worth the walk....it was 80c+ when we were out there. Plenty of decent bars around the Vieux Port and the area called Le Panier is well worth a wander. If you get the chance (and have the time) Cassis is well worth the 20-25min train ride out from St Charles station.NomadicAddick said:Can't bloody wait for tomorrow. I'm out in Marseille at the moment and got here on Tuesday. Pleasantly surprised would be an understatement, Really loved the city so far. Cannot wait for the football to get started now though! Going to our first game and it's a must win and I think we'll do it. Also got my mug on ITV this morning which was a laugh!
Sounds amazing, we'll end up in Marseille next weekend after visiting Nice & Lyon, can't wait to see it.0 -
Maybe being biased here but you can certainly add Buffon, Chiellini, Bonucci and Barzagli to that list of great players.
Italy will have the best defence at the tournament, having your goalkeeper and defence all playing for the same club is a massive advantage, given teams meet up maybe 10 times a year with ever changing defences, I'm surprised the media has declined to mention it so far. That said I'm really not sure how Italy will fare this year I think the Conte factor is what gives me some optimism but that huge advantage definitely shouldn't be overlooked.1 -
Kane is definitely a great player. Certainly ahead of Silva and Hummels at least from that list.0
-
Buffon and Chiellini are good shouts. Buffon is like a million years old, but still probably one of the three best keepers at the tournament and to have been at his level for so long makes him a genuine great imo.forzajuve_27 said:Maybe being biased here but you can certainly add Buffon, Chiellini, Bonucci and Barzagli to that list of great players.
Italy will have the best defence at the tournament, having your goalkeeper and defence all playing for the same club is a massive advantage, given teams meet up maybe 10 times a year with ever changing defences, I'm surprised the media has declined to mention it so far. That said I'm really not sure how Italy will fare this year I think the Conte factor is what gives me some optimism but that huge advantage definitely shouldn't be overlooked.0 -
If he has a really good tournament we might be able to add him to the list, but he hasn't justified the tag just yet. I wouldn't necessarily have Silva on the list either though.hudson-son-son said:Kane is definitely a great player. Certainly ahead of Silva and Hummels at least from that list.
0 - Sponsored links:
-
Buffon is the best ever.Exiled_Addick said:Buffon and Chiellini are good shouts. Buffon is like a million years old, but still probably one of the three best keepers at the tournament and to have been at his level for so long makes him a genuine great imo.
Bonucci and Barazgli are underrated still in some circles those two along with Chiellini are easily the best centrebacks there.0 -
After the season of utter crap we have gone though I can't frickin wait for some decent football to kick off. Got England, Slovakia and Slovenia in betting comps at work. Got a good feeling about our chances and feel we have plenty of attacking options within our ranks. Harry Kane for golden boot. Come On England!0
-
Cannot wait for this0
-
Snap.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Cannot wait for this
Think this is the first time I've got excited about football for a few years. I hope that excitement lasts more than a few days as falling out of love with football, which has happened to me over the last few years, has left me pretty much with zero interests outside of watching occasional boxing and athletics.
I've a feeling the winner will come from either France or Belgium.
Unlike the poster above who thinks the lesser teams will pack defences, I'm hopeful the increase in teams and wider margins in ability will hopefully lead to more goals.1 -
I come up with them players in about 30 seconds, I've definitely missed players off. It's not some sort of official list!!!!5
-
The Gazindex2
-
You forgot your mate James MilnerValleyGary said:I come up with them players in about 30 seconds, I've definitely missed players off. It's not some sort of official list!!!!
2 -
I think nainggolan will be one of the stand out playersRedPanda said:
Mertens has been effective at Napoli and Nainggolan was one of Roma's stand out players this year. Carrasco has impressed a heck of lot of people in Spain.Charltonparklane said:
Hazard - Been arguably shite all season
Lukaku - Good Striker but Kenwyn Jones had a couple of outstanding seasons
Benteke - Ditto above
Feilani - Again arguably just above average Prem Midfielder last 2 seasons
Be Bruyne - I would class him as a Very good Player, amongst a side of Superstars, possibly their one World Class Player IMO
Cortois - Very good but wasn't outstanding last season, again, IMO wasn't in top 3 Prem Keepers last year.
Id love to be proved wrong but as per a few on here I believe they are overated.
Not saying they're top class but you're only considering players who play in England.0 -
A chance for a name check from the great leader and all I get is misquoted and dismissed as "poster above".AFKABartram said:
Snap.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Cannot wait for this
Think this is the first time I've got excited about football for a few years. I hope that excitement lasts more than a few days as falling out of love with football, which has happened to me over the last few years, has left me pretty much with zero interests outside of watching occasional boxing and athletics.
I've a feeling the winner will come from either France or Belgium.
Unlike the poster above who thinks the lesser teams will pack defences, I'm hopeful the increase in teams and wider margins in ability will hopefully lead to more goals.
I did say I think it'll be a high scoring tournament, it's just that several of the less fancied teams made it through qualifying mostly by not conceding many. Plus 3 draws may well get you out of the groups. Once some of the defensive teams are out of the way, I think the better sides are stronger in attack, so we might get a few high scoring knockout games.
I'm almost scared to put this up cos I'll probably get pelters off you lot for my terrible punditry, but the missus is running a sweepstake at work and most of her colleagues, being Canadians, ain't got a Scooby about who is who so she asked me to knock up a, hastily researched, guide, if anyone is interested in reading my ramblings.
2