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  • vff
    vff Posts: 6,882
    edited September 2016
    http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/10592109/oxford-1-1-charlton

    Sparse highlights. Jackson enjoyed scoring the goal. Difficult to see as the build up is not shown but the Oxford striker had a lot of space for his goal.
  • _MrDick
    _MrDick Posts: 13,108
    Didn't go ... 50% mid table mediocrity 50% Relegation looms
  • Oggy Red said:

    Squad is as good as any in this division. 16th is appalling.

    It's a very tight table though.

    Charlton may be only 3 points from a relegation place - but only 3 points from the play offs.

    It's too early in the season to mean anything.


    Two wins in nine with arguably the best squad in the division isn't great though Oggy is it ?

    It isn't - that's obvious - but in mitigation he had little or no pre season as players came in so late.

    If people want to start casting judgement after the next two home games that's fine but I think waiting till then is the fairest option

  • BillG
    BillG Posts: 90
    Slade is a DUD. We will never be promoted with him in charge. Look at his CV for evidence. It is truly amazing how he has had so many Managerships.
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,299
    Rudd
    Solly Teixeira Bauer Fox
    Holmes Ulvestad Jackson Lookman
    Magennis Ajose

    Is the team we should be playing, take it to every team we play, we might lose the odd game 2-1 or 3-2 but we'll stuff a couple of teams too. To play a negative 451 twice in a row, it's stupid.

    Crofts and Foley are not promotion players, they are plodding cloggers who won't win us games, but don't provide the defence with any protection either, so what's the fucking point?
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,957
    sammy391 said:

    Oggy Red said:

    cabbies

    Yet again we fail to close out match after taking the lead.

    Rusty tactically naïve (again) today?

    We got caught badly on the break ..... that's down to players' own discipline when committing to attack, and the need to keep the team shape once that move breaks down.

    Even Slade can't be blamed for that.
    And I don't suppose he was too impressed himself!

    He and his players knew that Oxford were good in the counter and played that way often, so yes he can be blamed!

    Failure to have a full game plan and plan b , as well as sticking to even the basics of concentrating on the scouting reports to nullify your opponent!
    He did have a game plan though.
    The same game plan that many are criticising as too negative.

    But it seems evident that the team shape was lost when one of Charlton's attacks broke down - and Oxford sharply counter-attacked and equalised.
    I doubt players losing positional discipline and team shape was part of Slade's game plan.

  • mogodon said:

    The writing was on the wall in the summer. The recruitment was nowhere near good enough.

    What we need is a 20-something computer geek with dodgy hair and no idea about football to advise us on recruitment.
    are you certain that this is not the case right now ? ..
    I could be wrong, but I have a sneaking suspicion that a "Whoosh!" may be heading in your direction.
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,827
    sam3110 said:

    Rudd
    Solly Teixeira Bauer Fox
    Holmes Ulvestad Jackson Lookman
    Magennis Ajose

    Is the team we should be playing, take it to every team we play, we might lose the odd game 2-1 or 3-2 but we'll stuff a couple of teams too. To play a negative 451 twice in a row, it's stupid.

    Crofts and Foley are not promotion players, they are plodding cloggers who won't win us games, but don't provide the defence with any protection either, so what's the fucking point?

    Novak for Ajose. Not convinced Jackson can play in the middle in a 442
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,386
    vff said:

    Charlton team is an incomplete team, this season's flaw is an anonymous midfield lacking in creativity and energy. Slade may be not be up to much, but he is hamstrung alongside every other head coach under Duchatelet & Meire that has attempted to manage / coach Charlton. Until Duchatatelet and Meire bother to support the manager with a balanced team, Charlton will struggle. Until the midfield is sorted, Charlton will find it difficult troubling the top 6 places.

    There should be enough creativity between Holmes, Lookman and Ulvestad.
    sam3110 said:

    Rudd
    Solly Teixeira Bauer Fox
    Holmes Ulvestad Jackson Lookman
    Magennis Ajose

    Is the team we should be playing, take it to every team we play, we might lose the odd game 2-1 or 3-2 but we'll stuff a couple of teams too. To play a negative 451 twice in a row, it's stupid.

    Crofts and Foley are not promotion players, they are plodding cloggers who won't win us games, but don't provide the defence with any protection either, so what's the fucking point?

    We've conceded once in two games, it's scoring goals that is the problem.
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,957
    vff said:

    http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/10592109/oxford-1-1-charlton

    Sparse highlights. Jackson enjoyed scoring the goal. Difficult to see as the build up is not shown but the Oxford striker had a lot of space for his goal.

    Good 1st time finish by the Oxford lad, very well taken - but we'd completely lost shape. In the video their player was quickly moving clear of our last central defender and you can see Morgan Fox desperately trying to get back.
    The defence should never have allowed themselves to be exposed like that.


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  • Uboat
    Uboat Posts: 12,199
    _MrDick said:

    Didn't go ... 50% mid table mediocrity 50% Relegation looms

    Hang on. We already have someone who does percentages for us. We don't need any more fault lines in the support.
  • Another typical league 1 game I thought, got well and truly caught upfield chasing a second goal, but it's a long old season and I expect us to improve.
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    Absolute nightmare getting a cab back in to town afterwards as well.
  • Kap10
    Kap10 Posts: 15,577
    Scoham said:

    vff said:

    Charlton team is an incomplete team, this season's flaw is an anonymous midfield lacking in creativity and energy. Slade may be not be up to much, but he is hamstrung alongside every other head coach under Duchatelet & Meire that has attempted to manage / coach Charlton. Until Duchatatelet and Meire bother to support the manager with a balanced team, Charlton will struggle. Until the midfield is sorted, Charlton will find it difficult troubling the top 6 places.

    There should be enough creativity between Holmes, Lookman and Ulvestad.
    sam3110 said:

    Rudd
    Solly Teixeira Bauer Fox
    Holmes Ulvestad Jackson Lookman
    Magennis Ajose

    Is the team we should be playing, take it to every team we play, we might lose the odd game 2-1 or 3-2 but we'll stuff a couple of teams too. To play a negative 451 twice in a row, it's stupid.

    Crofts and Foley are not promotion players, they are plodding cloggers who won't win us games, but don't provide the defence with any protection either, so what's the fucking point?

    We've conceded once in two games, it's CREATING CHANCES that is the problem.
    Based on today
  • Nug
    Nug Posts: 4,623
    Poor performance overall. Only one of Jackson, Crofts or Foley should be in at any one time and I'd always go for Jackson, the other two, steady as they are, have zero movement forward. Not impressed with Lennon his distribution always looks shaky. Novak shouldn't be playing he looked so far away from match fitness it was embarrassing. It's a paper thin squad so Slade doesn't have too many options. We'll be mid table all season unless he can find a way to play that brings the best out of Ajose. I like Magennis but he ain't gonna score many on his own.
  • Clem_Snide
    Clem_Snide Posts: 11,741
    At London Bridge. No change in opinion. Absolute crap.
  • mogodon said:

    The writing was on the wall in the summer. The recruitment was nowhere near good enough.

    What we need is a 20-something computer geek with dodgy hair and no idea about football to advise us on recruitment.
    I wouldn't put it past Duchatelet to make Driesen our next manager now we've uncovered him! He really couldn't give a toss about us and will simply do whatever he likes irrespective of the likely consequences.
  • _MrDick
    _MrDick Posts: 13,108
    Uboat said:

    _MrDick said:

    Didn't go ... 50% mid table mediocrity 50% Relegation looms

    Hang on. We already have someone who does percentages for us. We don't need any more fault lines in the support.
    I'm his assistant and when he's away I deputise
  • No point in panicking just yet but if we don't beat Oldham then pressure mounts.
  • matt88
    matt88 Posts: 465
    The chants of 'JUST SELL THE CLUB' on the 20:01 train from Oxford are keeping me awake and amused... and pissing off most of the other passengers on the train. Love it.

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  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,788
    Didn't go today (thanks retail work) but observing from the outside the problem we've got is that there's too many draws.

    If you'd have told me we'd have lost twice in the first nine games then I would've taken it. The problem is that there's only two wins.

    We need that one key central midfield player who can open up a League One defence with a pass or a bit of skill. In 11/12 we had two (Stephens & Yann), this year we haven't got anything close to either of those two.
  • If anybody needs to see why Slade has won fuck all- this was the game.
  • Echo the thoughts of most that we were far too defensive with little attacking nous. Even but unspectacular first half, one outstanding save by Rudd. Second half slightly better, blatant penalty, couldn't understand bringing Lookman off for Holmes, why not play both? Goal for them felt inevitable but Magennis really should have scored the header, worldy of a save by their keeper. Telling that the loudest chants all day were the multiple renditions of 'Just Sell The Club' and 'We Want Roland Out'.
  • MountsfieldPark
    MountsfieldPark Posts: 2,074
    edited September 2016
    Recent L1 stats after 9 games:
    26/9/2009 L1 Parky Posn. 2nd Pts. 23 (finished 4th)
    28/9/2010 L1 Parky Posn. 7th Pts. 15 (13th)
    24/9/2011 L1 Powell Posn. 1st Pts. 23 (with a game in hand; champions)
    24/9/2016 L1 Slade Posn. 16th Pts. 11 (your guess)

    First 4 games: 7 pts,
    last 5 games 4 pts, winless ( =upward curve).

    60th in the league pyramid, a mere 53 places behind Palace.

    Oxford Utd - Charlton
    Possession % 54 46
    Total shots 14 8
    On target 9 5
    Off target 4 2
    Blocked 1 1
    Corners 5 9

    Goalkeeping
    Saves 4 8

    Discipline
    Fouls Committed 5 8
    Fouls Won 8 4
    Yellow Cards 2 0
    Red Cards 0 1 (two yellows, I believe)

    (Match stats from Sky Sports)
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    Is this where I get to say I predicted 1-1?
    Thanks very much.

    We need flair. We need to do the unexpected. Like actually playing Botaka from the start.
  • We didn't play that badly - just an inability to create any chances and Magennis had zero support. As someone else said Slade clearly has no Plan B - he must be one of the most stodgy/negative managers out there - the reason he has won nothing is clear for all to see and we obviously will be season 23 of non-performance under his stewardship - how the fuck he has remained in work I havnt the slightest idea- why the negativity the whole bloody game ? - Oxford were shit and quite clearly there for the taking.
    Support was brilliant and total opposite from what I experienced v Wimbledon.
  • We didn't play that badly - just an inability to create any chances and Magennis had zero support. As someone else said Slade clearly has no Plan B - he must be one of the most stodgy/negative managers out there - the reason he has won nothing is clear for all to see and we obviously will be season 23 of non-performance under his stewardship - how the fuck he has remained in work I havnt the slightest idea- why the negativity the whole bloody game ? - Oxford were shit and quite clearly there for the taking.
    Support was brilliant and total opposite from what I experienced v Wimbledon.

    This will be pretty much the case for every team we play, it's a terrible division.
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,889
    Sounds like more of the same, but talk of binning Slade is premature in my opinion.

    I went to watch Dover v Lincoln today. Call it a bit of advance scouting for next season.
  • Oakster
    Oakster Posts: 6,812

    Brussel is the problem very surprised at line up, so negative.

    Grandson was mascot today and royally looked after by Oxford, amongst other things visited the Directors lounge and were immediately approached and chatted to by the Oxford directors.

    Meire and the Perks ignored us (although Grandson had his kit on so obviously Charlton supporters). Thats the difference between how a good club is run and Charlton. I really wish they would just go they are so up there own arses it hurts!

    Thanks to the Charlton players for chatting to him and having a photo but a poor display on the pitch. To be fair think they were only playing to orders but it was dross.

    Couldn't believe Holmes was not in starting line up and playing one up front with 20 to the next player is daft, no wonder Slade has never achieved anything in his managerial career.

    Two home wins and a couple of performances now a must.

    to be fair to Perks she was fully focused on that plate of cocktail sausages, once a professional is in the zone they won't be distracted by anything