The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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Roly's after a percentage on the half n half scarf sales.
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To be fair, NLA, it’s not his deal to block. Even if he’s influencing RD and trying to manipulate an outcome he wants, it’s only because RD is allowing him to do so. What power can he exert?nth london addick said:
Fixed for youAirman Brown said:
There's a logical problem between people arguing that Duchatelet is holding out for the best possible deal, demanding extras, hoping for promotion, etc, and this argument that he is under no immediate pressure, when the immediate situation is mounting losses. He may well have constructed a deal that rewards him for the sale of current players, but the debt goes on rising every month that passes. He can't be both anxious to screw every last penny out of the club AND oblivious to fact that time is money, can he?kentred2 said:Problem is Duchatelet is not under any pressure to sell (he is wealthy, about 10000 still go to support his team, there are no protests) , so can hold out for as long as he likes to get the deal he wants re the land possibly, the debt, future transfers etc. All of which is making the position worse for any new owner and CAFC.
It's been suggested to me that one reason for the recent hold-up is that RM is absolutely paranoid about PV being somewhere in the mix. That ties up with what one of his former employees was saying a year ago, but it's just one more story swirling around.
Murray has been the blocker on this deal all along not RD I have been saying it for months now3 -
I agree that it’s RD’s deal but the stumbling blocks and obstacles have all been placed by Murray , Murray will have the most influence on how close people get to RD before the actual deals can be thrashed out , the noises made by Murray behind the scenes are pivotal in how RD moves as he is so far removed from the club and it’s DNA
Murray has delayed and potentially cost us this take over and some pre RD and i Believe at least one opportunity of getting rid of him earlier than this
And the fear of PV being involved in the background would Make a lot of sense
Personally I don’t think varney is involved may be he brokered and made the initial pathway but I don’t expect to see him back here5 -
I'm with you all the way on this but I will buckle and go to Wembley.eaststandmike said:He will hold out until he knows what league we are in next season. If we get promoted don't be surprised to hear that he is not selling and he thinks he is a success and one step away from the Premiership.
If we have 15,000 plus next week against Blackburn and take 30,000 to Wembley the guy will be laughing his head off at us.
Fickle fans who protest one week and flock in their thousands the next.
Fuck him.
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It was a 'tongue in cheek' comment J; just in case you hadn't realised.J BLOCK said:
Take no notice of anything he says.bazjonster said:
Racehorse owners apparently!!!bolloxbolder said:Reams also saying it's gonna happen next week now. British consortium.
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Lots of Saudi racehorse owners FYI.bazjonster said:
Racehorse owners apparently!!!bolloxbolder said:Reams also saying it's gonna happen next week now. British consortium.
I think reams knows he has no future with the club and (forgive the pun) has backed the wrong horse. History will remember him very unkindly. I can’t see the club continuing to invite him when every comment about this site he makes is laced with overt homophobia and transphobia when the club are working closer and closer with the lgbt valiants
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You keep trying to fob me off with your season ticket and get me to come back.clb74 said:
Don't be silly mike we will do a Blackpool and take less than 5000 to Wembley.eaststandmike said:He will hold out until he knows what league we are in next season. If we get promoted don't be surprised to hear that he is not selling and he thinks he is a success and one step away from the Premiership.
If we have 15,000 plus next week against Blackburn and take 30,000 to Wembley the guy will be laughing his head off at us.
Fickle fans who protest one week and flock in their thousands the next.
Fuck him.
#notapennymore
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Surely he doesn't get money out of that does he?ElfsborgAddick said:
I'm with you all the way on this but I will buckle and go to Wembley.eaststandmike said:He will hold out until he knows what league we are in next season. If we get promoted don't be surprised to hear that he is not selling and he thinks he is a success and one step away from the Premiership.
If we have 15,000 plus next week against Blackburn and take 30,000 to Wembley the guy will be laughing his head off at us.
Fickle fans who protest one week and flock in their thousands the next.
Fuck him.
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If only, they stayed away from Wembley in their thousands.clb74 said:
Don't be silly mike we will do a Blackpool and take less than 5000 to Wembley.eaststandmike said:He will hold out until he knows what league we are in next season. If we get promoted don't be surprised to hear that he is not selling and he thinks he is a success and one step away from the Premiership.
If we have 15,000 plus next week against Blackburn and take 30,000 to Wembley the guy will be laughing his head off at us.
Fickle fans who protest one week and flock in their thousands the next.
Fuck him.
#notapennymore
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Certain we do but do not know the %cfgs said:
Surely he doesn't get money out of that does he?ElfsborgAddick said:
I'm with you all the way on this but I will buckle and go to Wembley.eaststandmike said:He will hold out until he knows what league we are in next season. If we get promoted don't be surprised to hear that he is not selling and he thinks he is a success and one step away from the Premiership.
If we have 15,000 plus next week against Blackburn and take 30,000 to Wembley the guy will be laughing his head off at us.
Fickle fans who protest one week and flock in their thousands the next.
Fuck him.
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ElfsborgAddick said:
Certain we do but do not know the %cfgs said:
Surely he doesn't get money out of that does he?ElfsborgAddick said:
I'm with you all the way on this but I will buckle and go to Wembley.eaststandmike said:He will hold out until he knows what league we are in next season. If we get promoted don't be surprised to hear that he is not selling and he thinks he is a success and one step away from the Premiership.
If we have 15,000 plus next week against Blackburn and take 30,000 to Wembley the guy will be laughing his head off at us.
Fickle fans who protest one week and flock in their thousands the next.
Fuck him.
#notapennymore
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One can only hope.SDAddick said:
1) that sounds awesomebtrain88 said:I've been hiking the inca trail to Machu Picchu for the last 4 days and was hoping this would all be over by the time i was finished... the circus goes on
2) does altitude make you delusional? This. Will. Never. End.
It was fantastic. Well worth it if you ever make it to Peru.1 -
Said it for ages, June 15harveys_gardener said:I think the uncertaincy of the financial benefit of Wembley is the hold up. You can factor in a price for L1 or promotion but Wembley success and Wembley failure is harder to cost. June sale.
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https://www.efl.com/clubs-and-competitions/sky-bet-play-offs/playoff-rules--regulations/cfgs said:ElfsborgAddick said:
Certain we do but do not know the %cfgs said:
Surely he doesn't get money out of that does he?ElfsborgAddick said:
I'm with you all the way on this but I will buckle and go to Wembley.eaststandmike said:He will hold out until he knows what league we are in next season. If we get promoted don't be surprised to hear that he is not selling and he thinks he is a success and one step away from the Premiership.
If we have 15,000 plus next week against Blackburn and take 30,000 to Wembley the guy will be laughing his head off at us.
Fickle fans who protest one week and flock in their thousands the next.
Fuck him.
#notapennymore
6.3.1 50% of the Net Gate Receipts shall be paid into the Pool Account referred to in Article 65;
6.3.2 the remaining 50% of the Net Gate Receipts shall be divided equally between the two Clubs taking part in each Final Play-Off match.1 -
BooCallumcafc said:
https://www.efl.com/clubs-and-competitions/sky-bet-play-offs/playoff-rules--regulations/cfgs said:ElfsborgAddick said:
Certain we do but do not know the %cfgs said:
Surely he doesn't get money out of that does he?ElfsborgAddick said:
I'm with you all the way on this but I will buckle and go to Wembley.eaststandmike said:He will hold out until he knows what league we are in next season. If we get promoted don't be surprised to hear that he is not selling and he thinks he is a success and one step away from the Premiership.
If we have 15,000 plus next week against Blackburn and take 30,000 to Wembley the guy will be laughing his head off at us.
Fickle fans who protest one week and flock in their thousands the next.
Fuck him.
#notapennymore
6.3.1 50% of the Net Gate Receipts shall be paid into the Pool Account referred to in Article 65;
6.3.2 the remaining 50% of the Net Gate Receipts shall be divided equally between the two Clubs taking part in each Final Play-Off match.0 -
Isn't it tradition that the winning team gives all the gate receipts to the losing team?0
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That'll stop with Duchatelet.Addickted said:Isn't it tradition that the winning team gives all the gate receipts to the losing team?
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Unless he believes that the money he stands to make in the long run will out weight the mounting losses in the short run.Airman Brown said:
There's a logical problem between people arguing that Duchatelet is holding out for the best possible deal, demanding extras, hoping for promotion, etc, and this argument that he is under no immediate pressure, when the immediate situation is mounting losses. He may well have constructed a deal that rewards him for the sale of current players, but the debt goes on rising every month that passes. He can't be both anxious to screw every last penny out of the club AND oblivious to fact that time is money, can he?kentred2 said:Problem is Duchatelet is not under any pressure to sell (he is wealthy, about 10000 still go to support his team, there are no protests) , so can hold out for as long as he likes to get the deal he wants re the land possibly, the debt, future transfers etc. All of which is making the position worse for any new owner and CAFC.
It's been suggested to me that one reason for the recent hold-up is that RD is absolutely paranoid about PV being somewhere in the mix. That ties up with what one of his former employees was saying a year ago, but it's just one more story swirling around.
He's also saving money by not having a CEO, COO, Manager, and stopping work on the training ground which probably helps. That wouldn't offset losses obviously but I have to imagine those costs aren't nothing.
I guess it comes down to the fact that I'm not convinced he feels he has to sell immediately. If he did, he would have taken the initial offer you reported on, what was it a year ago? Or would have sealed the deal in November-January. Or February. Or any time really. I think he thinks there's a long game to be played here that results in him making more money. He might very well be right on that, if we get promoted.
Or he's just that afraid of the PV boogeyman. Which seems crazy and paranoid, but yeah, can't put it past him. I just struggle to see him caring about anything to do specifically and esotericly with the club that much.0 -
Only in the Championship, I think, because of the financial gain of Premier League status.Addickted said:Isn't it tradition that the winning team gives all the gate receipts to the losing team?
If we assume a 50,000 crowd at Wembley with an average net yield per ticket of, say, £50, that’s £2.5m. But the cost of using Wembley will be substantial. If it’s £250k, that means the income per club from the final would be around £560k.
Then I assume the pool account also rewards the four play-off semi-finalists, plus there are presumably TV fees and some merchandising spin-offs. So the revenue is maybe worth £1m in total - enough to pay the wages in May, I guess.2 -
This has always been the problem. If the Valley was empty every week, he’d be gone by noweaststandmike said:He will hold out until he knows what league we are in next season. If we get promoted don't be surprised to hear that he is not selling and he thinks he is a success and one step away from the Premiership.
If we have 15,000 plus next week against Blackburn and take 30,000 to Wembley the guy will be laughing his head off at us.
Fickle fans who protest one week and flock in their thousands the next.
Fuck him.
#notapennymore
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This is the first mention of PV for ages and ages. What on earth might be suggesting to Duchatelet that PV is anywhere in the mix? Personally I hadn't associated him with any of the rumours that have swirled around, goodness knows Duchatelet when dealing with potential purchasers would know who he is dealing with, and know one way or another about PV rather than suspecting.Airman Brown said:
There's a logical problem between people arguing that Duchatelet is holding out for the best possible deal, demanding extras, hoping for promotion, etc, and this argument that he is under no immediate pressure, when the immediate situation is mounting losses. He may well have constructed a deal that rewards him for the sale of current players, but the debt goes on rising every month that passes. He can't be both anxious to screw every last penny out of the club AND oblivious to fact that time is money, can he?kentred2 said:Problem is Duchatelet is not under any pressure to sell (he is wealthy, about 10000 still go to support his team, there are no protests) , so can hold out for as long as he likes to get the deal he wants re the land possibly, the debt, future transfers etc. All of which is making the position worse for any new owner and CAFC.
It's been suggested to me that one reason for the recent hold-up is that RD is absolutely paranoid about PV being somewhere in the mix. That ties up with what one of his former employees was saying a year ago, but it's just one more story swirling around.
Sheesh.3 -
To be fair, the latter is quite a reasonable scenario.Fumbluff said:Pretty sure someone plops out this story after every game now. That or the brilliantly vague, it’ll me done once we know what league we’ll be in Zzzzzzz
No proof of course but a distinct possibility wouldn't you say.
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I know for sure Varney is not involved with the wealthy chap. The latest I have heard is much the same. Wealthy foreign individual, British consortium and the Aussies are all still in the process. No change from past news.19
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This x1000 Murray is a pricknth london addick said:
Fixed for youAirman Brown said:
There's a logical problem between people arguing that Duchatelet is holding out for the best possible deal, demanding extras, hoping for promotion, etc, and this argument that he is under no immediate pressure, when the immediate situation is mounting losses. He may well have constructed a deal that rewards him for the sale of current players, but the debt goes on rising every month that passes. He can't be both anxious to screw every last penny out of the club AND oblivious to fact that time is money, can he?kentred2 said:Problem is Duchatelet is not under any pressure to sell (he is wealthy, about 10000 still go to support his team, there are no protests) , so can hold out for as long as he likes to get the deal he wants re the land possibly, the debt, future transfers etc. All of which is making the position worse for any new owner and CAFC.
It's been suggested to me that one reason for the recent hold-up is that RM is absolutely paranoid about PV being somewhere in the mix. That ties up with what one of his former employees was saying a year ago, but it's just one more story swirling around.
Murray has been the blocker on this deal all along not RD I have been saying it for months now0 -
In a parallel universe everything would be okay in the world....Ducktapeshoerepairs said:
This has always been the problem. If the Valley was empty every week, he’d be gone by noweaststandmike said:He will hold out until he knows what league we are in next season. If we get promoted don't be surprised to hear that he is not selling and he thinks he is a success and one step away from the Premiership.
If we have 15,000 plus next week against Blackburn and take 30,000 to Wembley the guy will be laughing his head off at us.
Fickle fans who protest one week and flock in their thousands the next.
Fuck him.
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Why would he be gone with an empty Valley? Genuine question as any matchday income is a mere drop in the ocean of RD's wealth and he's never there to see how low the crowds are.Ducktapeshoerepairs said:
This has always been the problem. If the Valley was empty every week, he’d be gone by noweaststandmike said:He will hold out until he knows what league we are in next season. If we get promoted don't be surprised to hear that he is not selling and he thinks he is a success and one step away from the Premiership.
If we have 15,000 plus next week against Blackburn and take 30,000 to Wembley the guy will be laughing his head off at us.
Fickle fans who protest one week and flock in their thousands the next.
Fuck him.
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You seem to be convinced about this.....that really is stretching things to the limit nla.nth london addick said:I agree that it’s RD’s deal but the stumbling blocks and obstacles have all been placed by Murray , Murray will have the most influence on how close people get to RD before the actual deals can be thrashed out , the noises made by Murray behind the scenes are pivotal in how RD moves as he is so far removed from the club and it’s DNA
Murray has delayed and potentially cost us this take over and some pre RD and i Believe at least one opportunity of getting rid of him earlier than this
And the fear of PV being involved in the background would Make a lot of sense
Personally I don’t think varney is involved may be he brokered and made the initial pathway but I don’t expect to see him back here
Yes, it's a possibility but I think a very very tenuous one and certainly pure conjecture on your part.2 -
Source?J BLOCK said:
This x1000 Murray is a pricknth london addick said:
Fixed for youAirman Brown said:
There's a logical problem between people arguing that Duchatelet is holding out for the best possible deal, demanding extras, hoping for promotion, etc, and this argument that he is under no immediate pressure, when the immediate situation is mounting losses. He may well have constructed a deal that rewards him for the sale of current players, but the debt goes on rising every month that passes. He can't be both anxious to screw every last penny out of the club AND oblivious to fact that time is money, can he?kentred2 said:Problem is Duchatelet is not under any pressure to sell (he is wealthy, about 10000 still go to support his team, there are no protests) , so can hold out for as long as he likes to get the deal he wants re the land possibly, the debt, future transfers etc. All of which is making the position worse for any new owner and CAFC.
It's been suggested to me that one reason for the recent hold-up is that RM is absolutely paranoid about PV being somewhere in the mix. That ties up with what one of his former employees was saying a year ago, but it's just one more story swirling around.
Murray has been the blocker on this deal all along not RD I have been saying it for months now1 -
Speculating here, but what if Bid A pays out more if we stay in league 1, whilst bid B pays more if we're promoted? Might explain the delay. Lots of people on here suggesting it's down to not knowing which division we'll be in next season.1
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Name one part of this whole charade I have got wrong soundasSoundAsa£ said:
You seem to be convinced about this.....that really is stretching things to the limit nla.nth london addick said:I agree that it’s RD’s deal but the stumbling blocks and obstacles have all been placed by Murray , Murray will have the most influence on how close people get to RD before the actual deals can be thrashed out , the noises made by Murray behind the scenes are pivotal in how RD moves as he is so far removed from the club and it’s DNA
Murray has delayed and potentially cost us this take over and some pre RD and i Believe at least one opportunity of getting rid of him earlier than this
And the fear of PV being involved in the background would Make a lot of sense
Personally I don’t think varney is involved may be he brokered and made the initial pathway but I don’t expect to see him back here
Yes, it's a possibility but I think a very very tenuous one and certainly pure conjecture on your part.
A few months back when the buzz word was imminent and done deal I posted no fee agreed and it was said then I know nothing and it’s guess work
4 months later I was right and I am right now
I wouldn’t call it conjecture I would say it’s the most reliable info on here with the exception of what Redhenry posts as i know that is true also
The problem is Murray it’s been murray for years
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