Football died a little bit yesterday (VAR)
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I've got one of my early morning one handed brilliant ideas. Why dont we let the ref rule throughout the game (old style) then use VAR at the end of the game to adjust the score + call teams back for a few penalties.
It will keep us interested.
Will be like the Eurovision...
Douz pwa..?
I rest my wrist (again...)1 -
Done the job again. Proved it's worth by now for me.4
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The other thing to say for VAR, which is hard to prove, is that diving has been all but eliminated.
Cant think of one instance this world cup - such a refreshing change to the normal blatant cheating that goes on.1 -
VAR has so far levelled the playing field a lot.
It has improved the Referees decision making, with about 3 mistakes in about 25 VAR calls... that's a reduction in refereeing errors any way you look at it.2 -
'VAR you're the answer that makes my questions disappear...'1
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There's been plenty of diving and histrionics in the tournament. the refs have done nothing about it dont think i've seen a single yellow given yet.1
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Hopefully that'll be the next phase of VAR, player goes down holding their face, VAR has a quick look, tells ref there was no facial contact, player booked immediately3
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Be interesting when kicked in the what's it...randy andy said:Hopefully that'll be the next phase of VAR, player goes down holding their face, VAR has a quick look, tells ref there was no facial contact, player booked immediately
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LennyLowrent said:
I've got one of my early morning one handed brilliant ideas. Why dont we let the ref rule throughout the game (old style) then use VAR at the end of the game to adjust the score + call teams back for a few penalties.
It will keep us interested.
Will be like the Eurovision...
Douz pwa..?
I rest my wrist (again...)
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Basically when it comes down to it, VAR is just giving the ref some extra angles and time to come to a clear decision. Mistakes can be made in split second decisions. A bit of time with careful consideration as well as extra evidence and it's obvious that the number of mistakes made by referees is going to be hugely reduced.3
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https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11096/10808860/referee-myth-busting-how-many-decisions-do-officials-get-right&ved=2ahUKEwieuO6M4vbbAhWCKewKHduYAqUQFjACegQIABAB&usg=AOvVaw21dNjo37IyLAC-_lJlWbEw&cf=1
Some stats I found...premiership referees get 98% of all decisions right... (don't shoot the messenger)3 -
League one refs get 9.8% right.4
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The original post .Tee hee.Danepak said:Used for the first time in a competitive game.
Wellington Phoenix v Sydney yesterday in the A-League.
The introduction of goal-line technology can be defended, but VAR is complete utter bullshit.
Decisions add to the theatre of football. Games stopped a couple of times every half, so the video ref can review a situation - please don't let this be the norm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo1OV6D9xrA0 -
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And I still hate it. It's used even more than I expected it to be.Covered End said:
The original post .Tee hee.Danepak said:Used for the first time in a competitive game.
Wellington Phoenix v Sydney yesterday in the A-League.
The introduction of goal-line technology can be defended, but VAR is complete utter bullshit.
Decisions add to the theatre of football. Games stopped a couple of times every half, so the video ref can review a situation - please don't let this be the norm.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo1OV6D9xrA
An incident happen and you sit for the next 30 secs and wait for the ref to blow the whistle and then have a look at a screen.
Same with goals. Often you can't celebrate, as the goal has to be reviewed.
Completely removed the charm and dynamics of the game.
I hate VAR.
Why not get rid of the ref in the future? When technology at some stage can pick all fouls up, why not take advantage of it then?4 -
Ok..ill concede that one...but guess what var sorted it!Dazzler21 said:
Neymar - SerbiaWHAddick said:The other thing to say for VAR, which is hard to prove, is that diving has been all but eliminated.
Cant think of one instance this world cup - such a refreshing change to the normal blatant cheating that goes on.
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My thoughts entirely. No need for a ref.Danepak said:
And I still hate it. It's used even more than I expected it to be.Covered End said:
The original post .Tee hee.Danepak said:Used for the first time in a competitive game.
Wellington Phoenix v Sydney yesterday in the A-League.
The introduction of goal-line technology can be defended, but VAR is complete utter bullshit.
Decisions add to the theatre of football. Games stopped a couple of times every half, so the video ref can review a situation - please don't let this be the norm.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo1OV6D9xrA
An incident happen and you sit for the next 30 secs and wait for the ref to blow the whistle and then have a look at a screen.
Same with goals. Often you can't celebrate, as the goal has to be reviewed.
Completely removed the charm and dynamics of the game.
I hate VAR.
Why not get rid of the ref in the future? When technology at some stage can pick all fouls up, why not take advantage of it then?0 - Sponsored links:
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Was there any VAR action in the England game. I don't recall any, but missed a couple of bits.0
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None at all.1
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There was no action, let alone VAR action.Stig said:Was there any VAR action in the England game. I don't recall any, but missed a couple of bits.
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That's a bit deceptive though. That's 98% of all decisions. That includes giving throws the right way (not sure how they cc aculeate stats on that, I doubt they look at videos of every minor decision), goal kicks, etc. The vast majority of decisions are largely inconsequential and probably over 99% right (though again, I very much doubt they check).PeterGage said:https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11096/10808860/referee-myth-busting-how-many-decisions-do-officials-get-right&ved=2ahUKEwieuO6M4vbbAhWCKewKHduYAqUQFjACegQIABAB&usg=AOvVaw21dNjo37IyLAC-_lJlWbEw&cf=1
Some stats I found...premiership referees get 98% of all decisions right... (don't shoot the messenger)
It's always the key, pivotal decisions where mistakes are most likely and also most important. No point getting 98 throw in decisions right, and then a penalty and red card wrong, then claim 98% accuracy.2 -
I wouldnt say it is deceptive (we just dont know), although questioning is correct because we dont have access to how the figure of 98%, or indeed any other, was arrived at.randy andy said:
That's a bit deceptive though. That's 98% of all decisions. That includes giving throws the right way (not sure how they cc aculeate stats on that, I doubt they look at videos of every minor decision), goal kicks, etc. The vast majority of decisions are largely inconsequential and probably over 99% right (though again, I very much doubt they check).PeterGage said:https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11096/10808860/referee-myth-busting-how-many-decisions-do-officials-get-right&ved=2ahUKEwieuO6M4vbbAhWCKewKHduYAqUQFjACegQIABAB&usg=AOvVaw21dNjo37IyLAC-_lJlWbEw&cf=1
Some stats I found...premiership referees get 98% of all decisions right... (don't shoot the messenger)
It's always the key, pivotal decisions where mistakes are most likely and also most important. No point getting 98 throw in decisions right, and then a penalty and red card wrong, then claim 98% accuracy.0 -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44658757
"A total of 335 incidents were checked during the group stage - nearly seven per game - with 14 on-field reviews made by referees and three reviews made by the VAR team on factual decisions.
Referees called 95% of incidents correctly without VAR, but the system - which is being used for the first time at a major international tournament at Russia 2018 - improved that success rate to 99.3%."2 -
Referee media briefing following group stage. One hour 42 minutes of pure joy.
https://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/fifa-referee-team-to-brief-media-after-group-stage
A number of stats from the group stage were presented:
Yellow cards: 162 (3.4 average per match)
Red cards: 1 direct, 2 second yellow cards
Penalty kicks: 24 (7 VAR)
Actual playing time: 56min 45sec average per match
Additional time: 6min 15sec average per match
VAR ‘Checks’: 335 incidents checked (6.9 average per match)
VAR Reviews: 17
Decisions changed after VAR Review: 14
Decisions confirmed after VAR Review: 3
Match changing decisions accuracy: 95 per cent correct without VAR, 99.3 per cent correct with VAR
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Just as I thought. Actual VAR reviews not even one per game. So once again football has not died a little bit but has got better with the use of it.Raith_C_Chattonell said:Referee media briefing following group stage. One hour 42 minutes of pure joy.
https://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/fifa-referee-team-to-brief-media-after-group-stage
A number of stats from the group stage were presented:
Yellow cards: 162 (3.4 average per match)
Red cards: 1 direct, 2 second yellow cards
Penalty kicks: 24 (7 VAR)
Actual playing time: 56min 45sec average per match
Additional time: 6min 15sec average per match
VAR ‘Checks’: 335 incidents checked (6.9 average per match)
VAR Reviews: 17
Decisions changed after VAR Review: 14
Decisions confirmed after VAR Review: 3
Match changing decisions accuracy: 95 per cent correct without VAR, 99.3 per cent correct with VAR4 -
Think VAR has been excellent. What is killing the game for me is the constant falling over around the box as if the object of the game is to get free kicks, not trying to get into a scoring position and then actually score. Players now will go down if touched, not just if the actually get tripped or pushed over. The next challenge for refs and VAR is to address this. Football is a contact sport FFS.4
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Doesn't say what the last statistic actually means!1StevieG said:
Just as I thought. Actual VAR reviews not even one per game. So once again football has not died a little bit but has got better with the use of it.Raith_C_Chattonell said:Referee media briefing following group stage. One hour 42 minutes of pure joy.
https://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/fifa-referee-team-to-brief-media-after-group-stage
A number of stats from the group stage were presented:
Yellow cards: 162 (3.4 average per match)
Red cards: 1 direct, 2 second yellow cards
Penalty kicks: 24 (7 VAR)
Actual playing time: 56min 45sec average per match
Additional time: 6min 15sec average per match
VAR ‘Checks’: 335 incidents checked (6.9 average per match)
VAR Reviews: 17
Decisions changed after VAR Review: 14
Decisions confirmed after VAR Review: 3
Match changing decisions accuracy: 95 per cent correct without VAR, 99.3 per cent correct with VAR
Does it include the "decisions" not to award penalties for all the holding incidents at corners. (At least half a dozen in the England - Belgium game alone).
Very common trick to follow good factual statistics by something which means absolutely nothing!1
