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The influence of the EU on Britain.

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  • In a Deal vs No Deal ref, I spoil my ballot.

    If we don't leave the EU I will be spoiling my ballot paper for evermore.......simply writing LIARS & CHEATS every time.

    Just fecking leave. OK.
    Carolyn Fairbairn. What the feck does she know. I’m sick and tired of experts like her spouting concerns based on years of experience. Project fear at its very worst.

  • Red_in_SE8
    Red_in_SE8 Posts: 5,961
    edited December 2018
    Scoham said:

    No deal is a bad deal. It’s about as meaningless a slogan as Brexit means Brexit.

    Yeah but we make an instant £39bn saving... says the “Leave Means Leave” Twitter account.



    A response video to all his points:

    This video is a perfect demonstration of how badly we have been let down by the BBC and other media outlets and journalists, including David Dimblebee, and MPs in Parliament (John Redwood is always making the completely false claim about not paying the £39 million and is never pulled up by other MPs). They have failed, everyday for the past three years, to debunk the obvious and non stop lies and mistruths that have been spouted by these Brexit fanatics. This forensic dismantling of the Brexit case should have been happening everyday on every self respecting independent TV and Radio news channel. And, we, as citizens, have every right to expect this Brexit nonsense to be rebutted everyday, in Parliament and on the airwaves, by our MPs using the same intelligent, irrefutable logic and forensic detail as used by the guy in this video.
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,458
    edited December 2018
    The pantomime villain enters the stage!

    Check out @LeaveMnsLeave’s Tweet:
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448

    Huskaris said:

    I would love to see Jo Johnson become PM, just to laugh at Boris. Jo certainly seems to have a lot more integrity although that's not saying a lot.

    What sort of politican would steal his brothers job?
    Every?
  • Huskaris said:

    I would love to see Jo Johnson become PM, just to laugh at Boris. Jo certainly seems to have a lot more integrity although that's not saying a lot.

    He's my MP and speaking to him in person he does come across as a decent person. He came round my street with the local councillor trying to get the party faithful out to vote in the local elections.
    I said they can have my wife's and my vote if Bromley council could fix the pavement outside my house. Best start with little jobs before moving on to the bigger things in world. They seemed up for the job and my councillor said he would look into it.
    Pavement is still in a state of patch work and disrepair. Not anything like the problems most people would consider worth a conversation but there you go, even at local level they cant deliver on agreements.

  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331

    Huskaris said:

    I would love to see Jo Johnson become PM, just to laugh at Boris. Jo certainly seems to have a lot more integrity although that's not saying a lot.

    He's my MP and speaking to him in person he does come across as a decent person. He came round my street with the local councillor trying to get the party faithful out to vote in the local elections.
    I said they can have my wife's and my vote if Bromley council could fix the pavement outside my house. Best start with little jobs before moving on to the bigger things in world. They seemed up for the job and my councillor said he would look into it.
    Pavement is still in a state of patch work and disrepair. Not anything like the problems most people would consider worth a conversation but there you go, even at local level they cant deliver on agreements.

    "There's a hole in the pavement outside my house"
    "I'll look into it"
  • Chizz said:

    Huskaris said:

    I would love to see Jo Johnson become PM, just to laugh at Boris. Jo certainly seems to have a lot more integrity although that's not saying a lot.

    He's my MP and speaking to him in person he does come across as a decent person. He came round my street with the local councillor trying to get the party faithful out to vote in the local elections.
    I said they can have my wife's and my vote if Bromley council could fix the pavement outside my house. Best start with little jobs before moving on to the bigger things in world. They seemed up for the job and my councillor said he would look into it.
    Pavement is still in a state of patch work and disrepair. Not anything like the problems most people would consider worth a conversation but there you go, even at local level they cant deliver on agreements.

    "There's a hole in the pavement outside my house"
    "I'll look into it"
    To be honest, I say the same to any politician who disturbs my Sundays. I don't discriminate because of their colour.
  • "David Cameron has been advising Theresa May on how to give MPs a "greater role" in resolving any future Brexit deadlock, sources have told the BBC.

    The ex-prime minister has been speaking to his successor about what may happen if her proposed deal is vetoed by MPs".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46592394
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,801
    micks1950 said:

    "David Cameron has been advising Theresa May on how to give MPs a "greater role" in resolving any future Brexit deadlock, sources have told the BBC.

    The ex-prime minister has been speaking to his successor about what may happen if her proposed deal is vetoed by MPs".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46592394

    and she won't listen, he's supposedly pushing for EEA membership
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    edited December 2018
    Surely David Cameron is just like Tony Blair in undermining democracy or does Theresa May only reserve her insults for ex Labour Prime Ministers ?
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  • iainment
    iainment Posts: 8,039
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    micks1950 said:

    "David Cameron has been advising Theresa May on how to give MPs a "greater role" in resolving any future Brexit deadlock, sources have told the BBC.

    The ex-prime minister has been speaking to his successor about what may happen if her proposed deal is vetoed by MPs".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46592394

    You couldn't make that up.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,034
    Sounds like Corbyn might be starting to make his move;



    I wonder if he has some sort of nod from the DUP that they would vote with him?

    It would be good to get the vote of no confidence and May’s WA voted on ASAP so both can be discounted (as I don’t see that either would pass) and then parliament can get on with finding some alternative out of this, a sensible first step would be revoking Article 50.
  • se9addick said:

    Sounds like Corbyn might be starting to make his move;



    I wonder if he has some sort of nod from the DUP that they would vote with him?

    It would be good to get the vote of no confidence and May’s WA voted on ASAP so both can be discounted (as I don’t see that either would pass) and then parliament can get on with finding some alternative out of this, a sensible first step would be revoking Article 50.
    "MPs will vote on the UK's Brexit deal in the week beginning 14 January, Theresa May has told Parliament.

    The vote was due to be held last week but was put on hold after Theresa May admitted she was set to lose.

    Announcing a new date, Mrs May said the EU had made it clear the Irish backstop was "not a plot to trap the UK" and urged MPs to see Brexit through.

    Labour had threatened to force a confidence vote in the PM if she did not set a date for the vote".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46586673
  • moutuakilla
    moutuakilla Posts: 7,568
    Glad the vote is getting done with plenty of time to work out an alternative plan, when the same deal that May decided not to have a vote on because she would lose is put in front of parliament.

    They'll be going down the "shit deal or no deal" route then
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    "We have an urgent task, which is to debate, discuss and fully align the House's views around Brexit and to carry out and conclude a vote on the matter. Not only is it urgent, it is critical. There is nothing more important than this task; and there is nothing with greater urgency. So, let's leave it for a couple of weeks, shall we? Right... pub?"
  • Fiiish
    Fiiish Posts: 7,998

    Glad the vote is getting done with plenty of time to work out an alternative plan, when the same deal that May decided not to have a vote on because she would lose is put in front of parliament.

    They'll be going down the "shit deal or no deal" route then

    This seems to have been Mayhem's plan the entire time. She always knew whatever deal she would ever get from the EU would never get through Parliament. So she has spent the last year frustrating Parliamentary democracy, suppressing reports and data, and refusing to hold herself accountable to the Commons. All to waste time so when it eventually came to the vote, it was either for her terrible deal, or no deal and the chaos that would ensue.

    She knows her deal is bad for the country.

    She knows no deal is bad for the country.

    She knows withdrawing Article 50 is the only option that doesn't seriously harm the country.

    But she refuses to do it because she would face serious backlash from angry Leave voters. Protecting herself instead of doing what is right for the country.
  • The sad thing about the past few years of this Tory induced mess is the generally well informed, highly educated and knowledgeable public won’t remember, in five years time, this whole waste of time money and effort was the entire fault of one party.
    I hope the “experts” are very wrong, the EU are crapping themselves at the prospect of us leaving and the likes of the pantomime cutouts Mogg and Farage are spot on correct. I won’t be holding my breath.

  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 33,998
    UK is set to remain in the Common Transit Convention (CTC) after Brexit, ensuring simplified cross-border trade for UK businesses exporting their goods.

    The CTC is used for moving goods between the EU member states, the EFTA countries (Iceland, Norway, Liechtenstein and Switzerland) as well as Turkey, Macedonia and Serbia.

    The UK is currently a member of the CTC while it is in the EU, and has successfully negotiated membership in its own right after Brexit. This would apply to any new trading relationship with the EU or in the unlikely event of a no deal.

    Membership of the CTC will help ensure that trade moves freely between the UK and CTC members after the UK leaves the EU. It will provide cashflow benefits to traders and aid trade flow at key points of entry into the UK, as traders will only have to make customs declarations and pay import duties when they arrive at their final destination.

    https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-to-remain-in-common-transit-convention-after-brexit
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  • EastStand
    EastStand Posts: 4,109
    Fuck the age limit, there needs to be an IQ limit on voting. If you're below 90 you're not allowed to even look at a ballot paper.
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,458
    Why do the news channels continually trot out Alistair Campbell for his view?

  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,843
    Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right .....

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  • Red_in_SE8
    Red_in_SE8 Posts: 5,961

    Why do the news channels continually trot out Alistair Campbell for his view?

    Because he speaks more sense than the vast majority of the other Jokers they trot out.
  • Laura Kuenssberg tweeted at 6.55am this morning that Labour planned a no confidence motion on May if she didn't announce a date for a vote on her WA:

  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Corbyn calls a vote of no confidence because of May's can kicking.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,991
    seth plum said:

    Corbyn calls a vote of no confidence because of May's can kicking.

    Yet Kuenssberg said all it can do is embarrass May. It can't bring the government down.
    So what's the point ? (I'm sure there is one).
  • moutuakilla
    moutuakilla Posts: 7,568

    seth plum said:

    Corbyn calls a vote of no confidence because of May's can kicking.

    Yet Kuenssberg said all it can do is embarrass May. It can't bring the government down.
    So what's the point ? (I'm sure there is one).
    Lose this. Call for a second referendum after the deal get votes down?
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