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  • JorgeCosta
    JorgeCosta Posts: 1,035
    Watching Matt Hancock on Newsnight is awful. And to Brexiteers, there's going to be as many immigrants tp supply the NHS.
  • captainbob
    captainbob Posts: 939
    PragueAddick said:

    captainbob said:

    Alwaysneil said:

    One of the only really good things about Liechtenstein is that it takes you 10 minutes to drive through it and out of it.

    No, it's a really bad thing. In 1991 when I was hitching to Eastern Europe, an attractive hairdresser picked me up and drove me across Liechtenstein. If she'd driven me across Germany, I may have had a chance but ten minutes was not long enough to charm her.
    Can't resist asking, Captain, did you eventually marry one of these foreign girlfriends? :-)

    Err, unfortunately not Prague. They've all chosen to Leave rather than Remain.
  • Chaz Hill
    Chaz Hill Posts: 5,216
    JorgeCosta said:

    Watching Matt Hancock on Newsnight is awful. And to Brexiteers, there's going to be as many immigrants tp supply the NHS.

    And more of the so called Brexit “bonus” being swallowed up in preparing for a possible ‘hard brexit’. Hancock saying the NHS is now the largest purchaser of new refrigeration equipment in the world, in order to stockpile medicine!
  • JorgeCosta
    JorgeCosta Posts: 1,035
    Chaz Hill said:

    JorgeCosta said:

    Watching Matt Hancock on Newsnight is awful. And to Brexiteers, there's going to be as many immigrants tp supply the NHS.

    And more of the so called Brexit “bonus” being swallowed up in preparing for a possible ‘hard brexit’. Hancock saying the NHS is now the largest purchaser of new refrigeration equipment in the world, in order to stockpile medicine!
    This whole thing is now being exposed as economic madness.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,623
    Chizz said:

    Bloody typical.....2 women not wanting to hear a man speak.
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    Covered End said:

    Now if there was a board game called Brexit, what fun I could have on Xmas day.

    It would be like Jumanji
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,623
    Chizz said:

    And she doesn't have a clue about projected figures. Until anyone puts their signature on an actual figure as to what ANY economy will do next year then it's all just guesswork. As a financial advisor I don't look more than a year or 2 ahead.....so 15 is just ludicrous.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    golfaddick said:

    Chizz said:

    And she doesn't have a clue about projected figures. Until anyone puts their signature on an actual figure as to what ANY economy will do next year then it's all just guesswork. As a financial advisor I don't look more than a year or 2 ahead.....so 15 is just ludicrous.
    You're of course famous for an optimistic outlook. How many goals are Gillingham going to beat us by?
  • WSS
    WSS Posts: 25,070
    I'm not sure how far away I am from being a Remainer to a Hard Brexiter should another vote come to pass. That's how screwed this all is.
  • ThreadKiller
    ThreadKiller Posts: 8,620
    edited December 2018
    golfaddick said:

    Chizz said:

    And she doesn't have a clue about projected figures. Until anyone puts their signature on an actual figure as to what ANY economy will do next year then it's all just guesswork. As a financial advisor I don't look more than a year or 2 ahead.....so 15 is just ludicrous.
    She was using the governments own assessments


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  • aliwibble
    aliwibble Posts: 26,276
    Covered End said:

    Now if there was a board game called Brexit, what fun I could have on Xmas day.

    Oh dear God no. Monopoly is enough of a bloodbath as it is.
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,610
    edited December 2018
    aliwibble said:

    Covered End said:

    Now if there was a board game called Brexit, what fun I could have on Xmas day.

    Oh dear God no. Monopoly is enough of a bloodbath as it is.
    One half of the board is a blue passport and the other half is the European flag.
  • Redmidland
    Redmidland Posts: 44,700
    Today should be an interesting day, its reported that the government (Leader of the House) will not give any parliamentary time to have the No confidence vote in the PM. That leaves Corbyn the choice of not proceeding on this line or tabling a Vote of No confidence in the government. Under the parliamentary act the Speaker must give time for this debate and a subsequent vote. The danger here is with the leader of the ERG saying he now has confidence in this government and the DUP saying its just a political game, I don't think Corbyn can get the numbers to win. My best guess is he will not go that far and will wait until w/c 14th Jan to see if Mays deal is voted down again (which I'm beginning to doubt will be, given some of the remarks in yesterdays debate). If it is, voted down, he could return for a second pop at No confidence, but I suspect he will wait and see how many people support a 'people's vote' in parliament.
  • CAFCsayer
    CAFCsayer Posts: 10,223
    Wow, she is an MP? Thought it was someone they had found on the street for an interview... Let the man speak ffs
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,458
    Redmidland said:

    Today should be an interesting day, its reported that the government (Leader of the House) will not give any parliamentary time to have the No confidence vote in the PM. That leaves Corbyn the choice of not proceeding on this line or tabling a Vote of No confidence in the government. Under the parliamentary act the Speaker must give time for this debate and a subsequent vote. The danger here is with the leader of the ERG saying he now has confidence in this government and the DUP saying its just a political game, I don't think Corbyn can get the numbers to win. My best guess is he will not go that far and will wait until w/c 14th Jan to see if Mays deal is voted down again (which I'm beginning to doubt will be, given some of the remarks in yesterdays debate). If it is, voted down, he could return for a second pop at No confidence, but I suspect he will wait and see how many people support a 'people's vote' in parliament.

    Which makes the bloke look just as stupid, if not more stupid than the many twirps that have played their part in this whole shambles.
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    carly burn said:

    Redmidland said:

    Today should be an interesting day, its reported that the government (Leader of the House) will not give any parliamentary time to have the No confidence vote in the PM. That leaves Corbyn the choice of not proceeding on this line or tabling a Vote of No confidence in the government. Under the parliamentary act the Speaker must give time for this debate and a subsequent vote. The danger here is with the leader of the ERG saying he now has confidence in this government and the DUP saying its just a political game, I don't think Corbyn can get the numbers to win. My best guess is he will not go that far and will wait until w/c 14th Jan to see if Mays deal is voted down again (which I'm beginning to doubt will be, given some of the remarks in yesterdays debate). If it is, voted down, he could return for a second pop at No confidence, but I suspect he will wait and see how many people support a 'people's vote' in parliament.

    Which makes the bloke look just as stupid, if not more stupid than the many twirps that have played their part in this whole shambles.
    Yeah, gotta back up your threats . What's he scared of? Ducking a vote because you'll lose? Imagine that.

    I've lost confidence that's for flipping sure. Absolute, total shambles.
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,610


  • Bournemouth Addick
    Bournemouth Addick Posts: 16,283
    edited December 2018
    CAFCsayer said:

    Wow, she is an MP? Thought it was someone they had found on the street for an interview... Let the man speak ffs

    Did you watch the whole interview out of interest?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=aElme3WH0qE
  • Fiiish
    Fiiish Posts: 7,998
    edited December 2018
    golfaddick said:

    Chizz said:

    And she doesn't have a clue about projected figures. Until anyone puts their signature on an actual figure as to what ANY economy will do next year then it's all just guesswork. As a financial advisor I don't look more than a year or 2 ahead.....so 15 is just ludicrous.
    1) funny how only Leavers seem to struggle with grasping macroeconomic analysis.

    2) the entire Leave argument is predicated on the assumption that once we leave, we will be billions of pounds a year worse off but after 20 or 30 years we will finally be turning a profit. You know, once we have struck all these great trade deals with Siam, Ceylon, Rhodesia, the West Indies, and our colonial brethren across the world. So if 15 years is ludicrous then think about how ridiculous the Brexiters sound when their colonial fantasies require foresight of more than 2 decades?
  • letthegoodtimesroll
    letthegoodtimesroll Posts: 10,617
    Redmidland said:

    Today should be an interesting day, its reported that the government (Leader of the House) will not give any parliamentary time to have the No confidence vote in the PM. That leaves Corbyn the choice of not proceeding on this line or tabling a Vote of No confidence in the government. Under the parliamentary act the Speaker must give time for this debate and a subsequent vote. The danger here is with the leader of the ERG saying he now has confidence in this government and the DUP saying its just a political game, I don't think Corbyn can get the numbers to win. My best guess is he will not go that far and will wait until w/c 14th Jan to see if Mays deal is voted down again (which I'm beginning to doubt will be, given some of the remarks in yesterdays debate). If it is, voted down, he could return for a second pop at No confidence, but I suspect he will wait and see how many people support a 'people's vote' in parliament.

    The Labour Party should be having a field day at the moment. Instead, it just looks pathetic
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  • Redmidland
    Redmidland Posts: 44,700
    McBobbin said:

    carly burn said:

    Redmidland said:

    Today should be an interesting day, its reported that the government (Leader of the House) will not give any parliamentary time to have the No confidence vote in the PM. That leaves Corbyn the choice of not proceeding on this line or tabling a Vote of No confidence in the government. Under the parliamentary act the Speaker must give time for this debate and a subsequent vote. The danger here is with the leader of the ERG saying he now has confidence in this government and the DUP saying its just a political game, I don't think Corbyn can get the numbers to win. My best guess is he will not go that far and will wait until w/c 14th Jan to see if Mays deal is voted down again (which I'm beginning to doubt will be, given some of the remarks in yesterdays debate). If it is, voted down, he could return for a second pop at No confidence, but I suspect he will wait and see how many people support a 'people's vote' in parliament.

    Which makes the bloke look just as stupid, if not more stupid than the many twirps that have played their part in this whole shambles.
    Yeah, gotta back up your threats . What's he scared of? Ducking a vote because you'll lose? Imagine that.

    I've lost confidence that's for flipping sure. Absolute, total shambles.
    Yep fully agree, both party leaders and their respective camps are ducking votes, meanwhile we are hurtling towards Brexit with no deal or any chance of the people being asked if her deal is the one that they want. Made me smile yesterday when Rees-Mogg the major architect of the ERG stood up and said he had confidence in May, and proceeded to say that should we agree a peoples vote, we would have to agree a second independence vote for Scotland, one which this time I think would vote to 'leave' the UK. Seems to me this mess will only end when the UK leaves the EU and then Scotland and perhaps Wales will ask for an Independence vote, which if granted could see the UK being just England and perhaps NI?
  • CharltonMadrid
    CharltonMadrid Posts: 5,091
    Mentioned before how Brexit is being increasingly seen in Europe as a cautionary tale, and here this concept is being used explicitly by the Dutch PM:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/17/netherlands-pm-rutte-uses-briains-brexit-chaos-as-cautionary-tale

    It's a real backward step for the UK in terms of how others see us, when before we were seen as a model of progress and innovation and now we are becoming a byword for division, uncertainty and incompetence.
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,254
    guinnessaddick said:

    aliwibble said:

    Covered End said:

    Now if there was a board game called Brexit, what fun I could have on Xmas day.

    Oh dear God no. Monopoly is enough of a bloodbath as it is.
    One half of the board is a blue passport and the other half is the European flag 🇪🇺.
    Go directly to the ECJ. Do not pass the High Court, do not collect £200 (now worth 4 euros).

    Get out of Brussels free visa. Do not pay the £7 entry fee upon entering

    You’ve won 2nd prize in a constitutional law contest collect a blue passport

    You’ve been directed to upgrade all of your national infrastructure at a cost of your sovereignty

    I think it’s got legs :wink:
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,034
    Redmidland said:

    McBobbin said:

    carly burn said:

    Redmidland said:

    Today should be an interesting day, its reported that the government (Leader of the House) will not give any parliamentary time to have the No confidence vote in the PM. That leaves Corbyn the choice of not proceeding on this line or tabling a Vote of No confidence in the government. Under the parliamentary act the Speaker must give time for this debate and a subsequent vote. The danger here is with the leader of the ERG saying he now has confidence in this government and the DUP saying its just a political game, I don't think Corbyn can get the numbers to win. My best guess is he will not go that far and will wait until w/c 14th Jan to see if Mays deal is voted down again (which I'm beginning to doubt will be, given some of the remarks in yesterdays debate). If it is, voted down, he could return for a second pop at No confidence, but I suspect he will wait and see how many people support a 'people's vote' in parliament.

    Which makes the bloke look just as stupid, if not more stupid than the many twirps that have played their part in this whole shambles.
    Yeah, gotta back up your threats . What's he scared of? Ducking a vote because you'll lose? Imagine that.

    I've lost confidence that's for flipping sure. Absolute, total shambles.
    Yep fully agree, both party leaders and their respective camps are ducking votes, meanwhile we are hurtling towards Brexit with no deal or any chance of the people being asked if her deal is the one that they want. Made me smile yesterday when Rees-Mogg the major architect of the ERG stood up and said he had confidence in May, and proceeded to say that should we agree a peoples vote, we would have to agree a second independence vote for Scotland, one which this time I think would vote to 'leave' the UK. Seems to me this mess will only end when the UK leaves the EU and then Scotland and perhaps Wales will ask for an Independence vote, which if granted could see the UK being just England and perhaps NI?
    Wales voted for Brexit too, they can’t moan now.

    I’m pretty convinced that Sturgeon will make her move on a second referendum the day after Brexit and she might well win this time despite a pretty poor domestic record.

    I remember discussing the last Scottish Referendum with @Fiiish , might not be long before we have to resurrect that thread!
  • Bournemouth Addick
    Bournemouth Addick Posts: 16,283
    Fiiish said:



    Just a reminder:

    - racist incidents attributed to Remain campaigning: zero
    - murders attributed to Remain campaigning: zero
    - incitements to violence attributed to Remain campaigning: zero
    - number of Remainers referred to police for breaking electoral law: zero
    - number of illegal adverts on social media by Remain: zero
    - value of laundered money used for Remain campaigning: zero

    So when someone says "both sides were as bad as each other", feel free to correct them.
    You can hear some of it in the clip above.
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,842
    se9addick said:

    Redmidland said:

    McBobbin said:

    carly burn said:

    Redmidland said:

    Today should be an interesting day, its reported that the government (Leader of the House) will not give any parliamentary time to have the No confidence vote in the PM. That leaves Corbyn the choice of not proceeding on this line or tabling a Vote of No confidence in the government. Under the parliamentary act the Speaker must give time for this debate and a subsequent vote. The danger here is with the leader of the ERG saying he now has confidence in this government and the DUP saying its just a political game, I don't think Corbyn can get the numbers to win. My best guess is he will not go that far and will wait until w/c 14th Jan to see if Mays deal is voted down again (which I'm beginning to doubt will be, given some of the remarks in yesterdays debate). If it is, voted down, he could return for a second pop at No confidence, but I suspect he will wait and see how many people support a 'people's vote' in parliament.

    Which makes the bloke look just as stupid, if not more stupid than the many twirps that have played their part in this whole shambles.
    Yeah, gotta back up your threats . What's he scared of? Ducking a vote because you'll lose? Imagine that.

    I've lost confidence that's for flipping sure. Absolute, total shambles.
    Yep fully agree, both party leaders and their respective camps are ducking votes, meanwhile we are hurtling towards Brexit with no deal or any chance of the people being asked if her deal is the one that they want. Made me smile yesterday when Rees-Mogg the major architect of the ERG stood up and said he had confidence in May, and proceeded to say that should we agree a peoples vote, we would have to agree a second independence vote for Scotland, one which this time I think would vote to 'leave' the UK. Seems to me this mess will only end when the UK leaves the EU and then Scotland and perhaps Wales will ask for an Independence vote, which if granted could see the UK being just England and perhaps NI?
    Wales voted for Brexit too, they can’t moan now.

    I’m pretty convinced that Sturgeon will make her move on a second referendum the day after Brexit and she might well win this time despite a pretty poor domestic record.

    I remember discussing the last Scottish Referendum with @Fiiish , might not be long before we have to resurrect that thread!
    Scottish passport for me then.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,034
    bobmunro said:

    se9addick said:

    Redmidland said:

    McBobbin said:

    carly burn said:

    Redmidland said:

    Today should be an interesting day, its reported that the government (Leader of the House) will not give any parliamentary time to have the No confidence vote in the PM. That leaves Corbyn the choice of not proceeding on this line or tabling a Vote of No confidence in the government. Under the parliamentary act the Speaker must give time for this debate and a subsequent vote. The danger here is with the leader of the ERG saying he now has confidence in this government and the DUP saying its just a political game, I don't think Corbyn can get the numbers to win. My best guess is he will not go that far and will wait until w/c 14th Jan to see if Mays deal is voted down again (which I'm beginning to doubt will be, given some of the remarks in yesterdays debate). If it is, voted down, he could return for a second pop at No confidence, but I suspect he will wait and see how many people support a 'people's vote' in parliament.

    Which makes the bloke look just as stupid, if not more stupid than the many twirps that have played their part in this whole shambles.
    Yeah, gotta back up your threats . What's he scared of? Ducking a vote because you'll lose? Imagine that.

    I've lost confidence that's for flipping sure. Absolute, total shambles.
    Yep fully agree, both party leaders and their respective camps are ducking votes, meanwhile we are hurtling towards Brexit with no deal or any chance of the people being asked if her deal is the one that they want. Made me smile yesterday when Rees-Mogg the major architect of the ERG stood up and said he had confidence in May, and proceeded to say that should we agree a peoples vote, we would have to agree a second independence vote for Scotland, one which this time I think would vote to 'leave' the UK. Seems to me this mess will only end when the UK leaves the EU and then Scotland and perhaps Wales will ask for an Independence vote, which if granted could see the UK being just England and perhaps NI?
    Wales voted for Brexit too, they can’t moan now.

    I’m pretty convinced that Sturgeon will make her move on a second referendum the day after Brexit and she might well win this time despite a pretty poor domestic record.

    I remember discussing the last Scottish Referendum with @Fiiish , might not be long before we have to resurrect that thread!
    Scottish passport for me then.
    Me too!
  • Chaz Hill
    Chaz Hill Posts: 5,216
    edited December 2018
    se9addick said:

    bobmunro said:

    se9addick said:

    Redmidland said:

    McBobbin said:

    carly burn said:

    Redmidland said:

    Today should be an interesting day, its reported that the government (Leader of the House) will not give any parliamentary time to have the No confidence vote in the PM. That leaves Corbyn the choice of not proceeding on this line or tabling a Vote of No confidence in the government. Under the parliamentary act the Speaker must give time for this debate and a subsequent vote. The danger here is with the leader of the ERG saying he now has confidence in this government and the DUP saying its just a political game, I don't think Corbyn can get the numbers to win. My best guess is he will not go that far and will wait until w/c 14th Jan to see if Mays deal is voted down again (which I'm beginning to doubt will be, given some of the remarks in yesterdays debate). If it is, voted down, he could return for a second pop at No confidence, but I suspect he will wait and see how many people support a 'people's vote' in parliament.

    Which makes the bloke look just as stupid, if not more stupid than the many twirps that have played their part in this whole shambles.
    Yeah, gotta back up your threats . What's he scared of? Ducking a vote because you'll lose? Imagine that.

    I've lost confidence that's for flipping sure. Absolute, total shambles.
    Yep fully agree, both party leaders and their respective camps are ducking votes, meanwhile we are hurtling towards Brexit with no deal or any chance of the people being asked if her deal is the one that they want. Made me smile yesterday when Rees-Mogg the major architect of the ERG stood up and said he had confidence in May, and proceeded to say that should we agree a peoples vote, we would have to agree a second independence vote for Scotland, one which this time I think would vote to 'leave' the UK. Seems to me this mess will only end when the UK leaves the EU and then Scotland and perhaps Wales will ask for an Independence vote, which if granted could see the UK being just England and perhaps NI?
    Wales voted for Brexit too, they can’t moan now.

    I’m pretty convinced that Sturgeon will make her move on a second referendum the day after Brexit and she might well win this time despite a pretty poor domestic record.

    I remember discussing the last Scottish Referendum with @Fiiish , might not be long before we have to resurrect that thread!
    Scottish passport for me then.
    Me too!
    And me. Hopefully before I have to start carrying around one of those embarrassing blue ‘things’.
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    Never thought I'd say the words "thank god my grandmother was Welsh"... And I won't. They can suck it up along with the rest of the rest of us. It's what they wanted after all.
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