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Football died a little bit yesterday (VAR)

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  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    VAR being used in street football


  • stevexreeve
    stevexreeve Posts: 1,386
    Watching Cardiff and Chelsea makes me wonder why VAR needs to be so complicated with long stoppages and pointless existential debates about what "deliberate" actually means.

    Why not just have somebody watching on TV and assisting the ref in the same way the linesman already does. No one need ever know it's happening! 

  • Holdkneebomb
    Holdkneebomb Posts: 1,262
    Because for every clear cut howler like today’s there are two or three very marginal decisions that require many replays. Football is such a fast game that if they didn’t stop play it wouldn’t be long before something else game changing occurred such as a goal at the other end and then the unfairnesses become complicated.
  • Kap10
    Kap10 Posts: 15,563
    Isn't VAR only suppossed to be about clear incorrect decisions, therefore marginal decisions should not be changed.  Personally i would like to see referees given a time limit in which to make a decision, day 60 seconds, if they cannot decide in that time then tue decision stands.
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    stevexreeve said:
    Watching Cardiff and Chelsea makes me wonder why VAR needs to be so complicated with long stoppages and pointless existential debates about what "deliberate" actually means.

    Why not just have somebody watching on TV and assisting the ref in the same way the linesman already does. No one need ever know it's happening! 

    How do you know it isn't?
  • stevexreeve
    stevexreeve Posts: 1,386
    Chizz said:
    stevexreeve said:
    Watching Cardiff and Chelsea makes me wonder why VAR needs to be so complicated with long stoppages and pointless existential debates about what "deliberate" actually means.

    Why not just have somebody watching on TV and assisting the ref in the same way the linesman already does. No one need ever know it's happening! 

    How do you know it isn't?
    Well it certainly wasn't yesterday!
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    VAR correctly reverses City’s last minute goal and sends Spurs into the semi final of the Champions League.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    Callumcafc said:
    VAR correctly reverses City’s last minute goal and sends Spurs into the semi final of the Champions League.
    Good
  • 1StevieG
    1StevieG Posts: 10,964
    edited April 2019
    Anyone want to argue the merits of VAR after that needs their head examined.
  • 1StevieG
    1StevieG Posts: 10,964
    Football is alive and well 
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  • cafcsinger
    cafcsinger Posts: 5,548
    Callumcafc said:
    VAR correctly reverses City’s last minute goal and sends Spurs into the semi final of the Champions League.
    Diminishes the experience of watching it live in the stadium, human error is part of referring which is good for the game 
  • 1StevieG
    1StevieG Posts: 10,964
    edited April 2019
    cafcsinger said:
    Callumcafc said:
    VAR correctly reverses City’s last minute goal and sends Spurs into the semi final of the Champions League.
    Diminishes the experience of watching it live in the stadium, human error is part of referring which is good for the game 
    Wrong. Every review was spot on. And I wanted City to win.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    No one in that stadium will have said their experience was diminished.

    Every City fan still went mental when it went in and every Spurs fan went mental when it was disallowed. Fantastic drama and best of all, the right team progresses!

    I call that a win win.
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,733
    It will kill goal celebrations because players and managers won’t know if their goal is legit when they’ve scored which is a shame .

    You can’t deny it adds to the drama but I still don’t like it . 
  • 1StevieG
    1StevieG Posts: 10,964
    Bedsaddick said:
    It will kill goal celebrations because players and managers won’t know if their goal is legit when they’ve scored which is a shame .

    You can’t deny it adds to the drama but I still don’t like it . 
    No it won’t. If it gets ruled a goal you can celebrate again. 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,304
    Didnt stop Sterling celebrating tonight...
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    Bedsaddick said:
    It will kill goal celebrations because players and managers won’t know if their goal is legit when they’ve scored which is a shame .

    You can’t deny it adds to the drama but I still don’t like it . 
    Yeah that’s exactly what just happened in Manchester... oh wait
  • 1StevieG
    1StevieG Posts: 10,964
    cafcsinger said:
    Callumcafc said:
    VAR correctly reverses City’s last minute goal and sends Spurs into the semi final of the Champions League.
    Diminishes the experience of watching it live in the stadium, human error is part of referring which is good for the game 
    And guess what? We are still talking about it after the game has finished. And those that were there will talk about for years because the right decisions were made. Instead of slaughtering the officials they were brilliant.
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,733
    edited April 2019
    Callumcafc said:
    Bedsaddick said:
    It will kill goal celebrations because players and managers won’t know if their goal is legit when they’ve scored which is a shame .

    You can’t deny it adds to the drama but I still don’t like it . 
    Yeah that’s exactly what just happened in Manchester... oh wait
    Exactly my point .
    It’s early days with VAR . I can’t see managers going ape shit like Pep did tonight for too much longer . It’s a little embarrassing when it’s overturned . If that spreads to the fans as well then it’s a terrible thing . Thankfully it’s not likely  to affect Charlton games for the forceable future .  
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,733
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Didnt stop Sterling celebrating tonight...
    This time 
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  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    edited April 2019
    Lmao

    So you're saying you don't like it because it's correcting the injustice of human error.

    Personally I think it's fantastic although a ,ychallenge system would be a benefit for one chance per game that the ref doesn't go to VAR
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    TBF to the Ref he wanted to be sure with Llorente goal. No way could he disallow that because it wasn't a clear and obvious mistake. Aguero was just offside so yet again VAR is a great addition because it will get 99% of the big decisions right opposed to 75% when left to referees and assistance.

    VAR can't be wrong ?
    Only humans error when they viewed the wrong clip in some game earlier in the season. 
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Dazzler21 said:
    Lmao

    So you're saying you don't like it because it's not correcting the injustice of human error.

    Personally I think it's fantastic although a ,ychallenge system would be a benefit for one chance per game that the ref doesn't go to VAR
    But then what if a team loses their challenge and later loses the match with a goal that VAR would have ruled out? We are then back to square one where the officials are criticised for making a mistake. 
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    edited April 2019
    Bedsaddick said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Didnt stop Sterling celebrating tonight...
    This time 
    Surely it's no different to when a forward looks down the line to see if the lino waved offside?

    They still celebrate then their mood is changed by the decision. Now they'll think "oh bollocks I've not scored." Then be awarded or stripped of the goal. Cue celebrations or surrounding the ref.
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,733
    edited April 2019
    Dazzler21 said:
    Lmao

    So you're saying you don't like it because it's not correcting the injustice of human error.

    Personally I think it's fantastic although a ,ychallenge system would be a benefit for one chance per game that the ref doesn't go to VAR
    Who’s said “ I don’t like it because it’s not correcting the injustice of human error  ?  LMAO 
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,145
    Llorentes goal looked handball to me .
    im sure if we lose in the last minute of the play off final with our opposition scoring one like that and there is no VAR ( i don’t know if there is or not at the play off final ) and everyone here saying right decisions by VAR would agree with it or would they be saying oh VAR would have spotted that and we may have gone up.

    in all seriousness I could see why it wasn’t given as a goal and if it was disallowed I could understand that as well , subjective I suppose 
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,733
    Dazzler21 said:
    Bedsaddick said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Didnt stop Sterling celebrating tonight...
    This time 
    Surely it's no different to when a forward looks down the line to see if the link waved offside? They still celebrate then their mood is changed by the decision. Now they'll think "oh bollocks I've not scored." Then be awarded or stripped of the goal. Cue celebrations or surrounding the ref.
    No because that’s pretty much instantaneous. The time it takes to go VAR kills that . 
  • ct_addick
    ct_addick Posts: 4,333
    Llorente's goal looked like handball from the camera behind the goal but when the ref viewed it they did not show that angle. 
  • LennyLowrent
    LennyLowrent Posts: 2,705
    1StevieG said:
    Anyone want to argue the merits of VAR after that needs their head examined.
    They can always VAR the decision after
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,116
    It's indisputable that getting the correct decision is good for football, however, I think it's also pretty obvious VAR needs a lot of work to speed up the process.

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