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England Cricket Team Summer 2019 -ICC World Cup and Ashes etc

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  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,997
    27 off 9
  • Laddick01
    Laddick01 Posts: 6,365
    Yeah reality is we’ve just lost to one of the worst sides in this tournament.

    Dont think Jason Roy will have a worse game in his life.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,997
    Archer out

    322-9

    27 off 8
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,012
    Laddick01 said:
    This game has been so frustrating. Every time we get the momentum we throw it away.
    Exactly this.

    Root and Buttler getting out as soon as they got to 100 killed us. But we lost the game in the field i feel. Gave them 35-40 runs too many.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,846
    Laddick01 said:
    Yeah reality is we’ve just lost to one of the worst sides in this tournament.

    Dont think Jason Roy will have a worse game in his life.
    Pakistan though are much better than their recent form
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    26 off 7
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    20 off 2
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    Pakistan win by 14 runs
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,675
    334 runs and lose. 
    Madness 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,846
    Happily it's not a disaster for England as it's only 1 match out of 9, but it's a good wake up call against any arrogance in the camp
  • Riviera
    Riviera Posts: 8,167
    Easy to be wise after the event but I have always maintained that unless conditions are extremely favourable to bowling; bat first! With our batting strength we should 9/10 be able to set a good target. There is far more pressure chasing a big total than defending one.  
  • Laddick01
    Laddick01 Posts: 6,365
    Didn’t bat anywhere near our best and hit 334.

    I can’t believe I’m saying it but we missed Plunkett
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,315
    Moeen did struggle out there. Weird as he's so destructive in the T20 leagues. There's a case for sticking him in at 3 and just saying 'hit for as long as you can' when the bowlers aren't in death mode 
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,334
    blackpool72 said:
    334 runs and lose. 
    Madness 
    Is that the highest-ever batting second score in the World Cup?  Probably. 
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,675
    Chizz said:
    blackpool72 said:
    334 runs and lose. 
    Madness 
    Is that the highest-ever batting second score in the World Cup?  Probably. 
    I believe it is.
    As I said  madness 
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  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764
    edited June 2019
    Think we need more batting depth on that display.

    Had no confidence at all once we went six down and you can’t start your tail at number 7.

    Moeen is bowling well enough to stay in the side based on that discipline alone but two spinners is a luxury when they aren’t getting through a full allocation every time.

    Is Rashid bowling enough overs to warrant his place in the side? If we need someone to fill in with 4-6 overs here and there, Root is capable of that. Dropping him for an extra batsman might be our best option.
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,334
    Callumcafc said:
    Think we need more batting depth on that display.

    Had no confidence at all once we went six down and you can’t start your tail at number 7.

    Moeen is bowling well enough to stay in the side based on that discipline alone but two spinners is a luxury when they aren’t getting through a full allocation every time.

    Is Rashid bowling enough overs to warrant his place in the side? If we need someone to fill in with 4-6 overs here and there, Root is capable of that. Dropping him for an extra batsman might be our best option.
    Adil Rashid is our second-highest ranked ODI bowler and our highest-ranked spinner. if you drop him, you can only replace him with a lower-ranked player.  That's suboptimal. 
  • Laddick01
    Laddick01 Posts: 6,365
    Callumcafc said:
    Think we need more batting depth on that display.

    Had no confidence at all once we went six down and you can’t start your tail at number 7.

    Moeen is bowling well enough to stay in the side based on that discipline alone but two spinners is a luxury.

    Is Rashid bowling enough overs to warrant his place in the side? If we need someone to fill in with 4-6 overs here and there, Root is capable of that. Dropping him for an extra batsman might be our best option.
    Agreed. I’ve been hearing ‘England bat deep’, but the reality is we just have a LOT of top order quality. Once Buttler is gone we aren’t really a threat.

  • Riviera
    Riviera Posts: 8,167
    blackpool72 said:
    Chizz said:
    blackpool72 said:
    334 runs and lose. 
    Madness 
    Is that the highest-ever batting second score in the World Cup?  Probably. 
    I believe it is.
    As I said  madness 
    Not for long I'd say. 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,846
    Chizz said:
    blackpool72 said:
    334 runs and lose. 
    Madness 
    Is that the highest-ever batting second score in the World Cup?  Probably. 
    Trent Bridge is a high scoring ground though

    Slight concerns about the openers if facing spin, but in general the batting unit still looks fine. It's tough for the lower order batsman in white ball cricket as often they don't bat at all or come in right at the end and expected to thrash it about, they get few opportunities to construct an innings.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,675
    Riviera said:
    blackpool72 said:
    Chizz said:
    blackpool72 said:
    334 runs and lose. 
    Madness 
    Is that the highest-ever batting second score in the World Cup?  Probably. 
    I believe it is.
    As I said  madness 
    Not for long I'd say. 
    I agree. 
    Probably be beaten in this competition. 
  • Gravesend_Addick
    Gravesend_Addick Posts: 7,299
    I'm glad that performance has come in the group stages rather than the knockouts.  Could do England good in a way as it's a good wake up call & will stop them being complacent....I hope!
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Riviera said:
    Easy to be wise after the event but I have always maintained that unless conditions are extremely favourable to bowling; bat first! With our batting strength we should 9/10 be able to set a good target. There is far more pressure chasing a big total than defending one.  
    England always look to bat second in ODI's - its not served them bad over the past x games.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764
    Chizz said:
    Callumcafc said:
    Think we need more batting depth on that display.

    Had no confidence at all once we went six down and you can’t start your tail at number 7.

    Moeen is bowling well enough to stay in the side based on that discipline alone but two spinners is a luxury when they aren’t getting through a full allocation every time.

    Is Rashid bowling enough overs to warrant his place in the side? If we need someone to fill in with 4-6 overs here and there, Root is capable of that. Dropping him for an extra batsman might be our best option.
    Adil Rashid is our second-highest ranked ODI bowler and our highest-ranked spinner. if you drop him, you can only replace him with a lower-ranked player.  That's suboptimal. 
    Then he needs to be utilised more. 

    Five overs for 43 runs today doesn’t suggest to me that he has the confidence of his captain despite his ODI ranking.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,012
    Moeen Ali dropped.

    England off to a flier though, 67-0 off 10 overs.

    Could get 400 today.

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