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Buttler burns our review #kicking #good0
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1. She is the best wicket keeper in the world at the moment - male or female. She's done some work over the years in the Big Bash in Australia. There are a lot of fine wicket keepers around just so skilful with soft hands effecting these leg-side stumpings. She spends so much time up to the stumps with a little less pace on the ball in the women's game and is so skilful.Addick Addict said:
And your supporting evidence of this is?Chizz said:
I am very happy to answer that for you and thank you for putting it in such a pleasant and polite way. It's because she's better.Addick Addict said:
For what reasons, may I ask, is Taylor a better keeper than Foakes?Chizz said:
1. Height ISN'T a criterion.Addick Addict said:
Foakes at 6' 1'' is good enough if height is the sole criteria. Standing back to 75 mph bowlers and to spinners that hardly turn the ball as opposed to 95mph and a Rashid with many variations clearly makes Taylor the best keeper in the world.Chizz said:
LOL! So Jos Buttler is a better keeper than Alan Knott, by three inches? No wonder Jonny Bairstow is such a terrible keeper.Addick Addict said:
Taylor would not be able to take the ball that Buttler has just taken one handed above his head off Wood even standing in the same place. She is 4 inches shorter and her reach wouldn't be as long. So that would be five wides instead of one.Addick Addict said:
It was in response to your comment that "it's just a case of standing further back". It's not simply because there is an optimum spot to take the ball. So Taylor moving back puts her in the wrong place.Chizz said:
How do you work that out?Addick Addict said:
No it isn't - the further you stand back the lower you have to take good length balls and higher you have to take shorter balls so, by definition, balls that a male keeper would be taking chest high would end up sailing over her head. Equally, the further you stand back the greater the deviation is off the bat. And this doesn't even take into account the fact that she is shorter and will have a lesser reach than her male counter parts.Chizz said:
No, I found it very easy to claim she is the best keeper in the world. See? I have just done it again!Addick Addict said:
She is an extremely good keeper. However, it is very difficult to claim that she is the best keeper in the world when she doesn't have to stand back to bowlers who bowl at 95mph or keep to a spinner who has all the variations in the book.Chizz said:In my opinion, Sarah Taylor is the best wicket keeper in the world. You're welcome either to agree with me or, conversely, to remain wrong.
So case unproven I'm afraid.
You make a good point to suggest that she hasn't been tested against the best men's teams' bowlers. I don't think that fast bowling would present an insurmountable challenge, it's just a case of standing further back. And I also think she's a good enough athlete to be able to cope standing up to the very best "mystery spinners". That's why I think she's the best in the world. And that's why the best-ever wicket keeper batsman, Adam Gilchrist named her as such. And he's possibly an even better judge than me!
I'm certainly not saying that she hasn't got one of the best pair of hands in the game. But until she is tested keeping to the best male bowlers in the world she cannot be called the "best keeper" in the world.
Case still unproven. And I don't care if Adam Gilchrist says so. He wasn't one of the great keepers either.
Edit - I have also asked my son who has just got back from taking one of his GCSEs and who knows more about keeping than I will ever do as he has kept for Kent age groups sides for the last six years, has had numerous sessions with Geraint Jones amongst others and has yet to let a bye through in the Kent Cricket League this season from almost a thousand balls. And he, of course, totally agrees with me. But then he would wouldn't he!
Taylor has better hands than Buttler and standing up is at least his equal. That doesn't make her a better overall keeper. And Foakes, for a start, is better than all of them.
Although, of course, it does beg the question as to why on earth they're giving the gloves to Buttler, when Plunkett's in the team...
You've proved your point.
2. Yes, she is. But not for those reasons.
2. Cricket is an entertainment - I would pay to watch Sarah Taylor keep wicket all day long. That's not true of any other wicket keeper, past or present.
3. She's a magnificent example of triumph over almost-insurmountable and debilitating illness. It's a miracle she's still playing for England, let alone demonstrating she's at the summit of achievement in her art.
For clarity, "1" is Adam Gilchrist's view; "2" is mine. And "3" is a plain fact.
What would you prefer to see, Sarah Taylor pulling off breath-taking, one-handed, leg-side stumpings, or Ben Foakes (what is he, England's fourth-choice keeper?) standing back and catching fast, straight deliveries, ball after ball?1 -
Both of you deserve a good kicking tbh1
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But not as much as this West Indies batting line-up do0
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Do you really think that she is the only wicket keeper in the world that can do the highlighted bits above. And you also know very little about the make up of the England side if you believe that Foakes is fourth choice keeper. He isn't - he is first choice keeper but there isn't room in the team for Buttler, Bairstow and the first two are rated better batsmen.Chizz said:
1. She is the best wicket keeper in the world at the moment - male or female. She's done some work over the years in the Big Bash in Australia. There are a lot of fine wicket keepers around just so skilful with soft hands effecting these leg-side stumpings. She spends so much time up to the stumps with a little less pace on the ball in the women's game and is so skilful.Addick Addict said:
And your supporting evidence of this is?Chizz said:
I am very happy to answer that for you and thank you for putting it in such a pleasant and polite way. It's because she's better.Addick Addict said:
For what reasons, may I ask, is Taylor a better keeper than Foakes?Chizz said:
1. Height ISN'T a criterion.Addick Addict said:
Foakes at 6' 1'' is good enough if height is the sole criteria. Standing back to 75 mph bowlers and to spinners that hardly turn the ball as opposed to 95mph and a Rashid with many variations clearly makes Taylor the best keeper in the world.Chizz said:
LOL! So Jos Buttler is a better keeper than Alan Knott, by three inches? No wonder Jonny Bairstow is such a terrible keeper.Addick Addict said:
Taylor would not be able to take the ball that Buttler has just taken one handed above his head off Wood even standing in the same place. She is 4 inches shorter and her reach wouldn't be as long. So that would be five wides instead of one.Addick Addict said:
It was in response to your comment that "it's just a case of standing further back". It's not simply because there is an optimum spot to take the ball. So Taylor moving back puts her in the wrong place.Chizz said:
How do you work that out?Addick Addict said:
No it isn't - the further you stand back the lower you have to take good length balls and higher you have to take shorter balls so, by definition, balls that a male keeper would be taking chest high would end up sailing over her head. Equally, the further you stand back the greater the deviation is off the bat. And this doesn't even take into account the fact that she is shorter and will have a lesser reach than her male counter parts.Chizz said:
No, I found it very easy to claim she is the best keeper in the world. See? I have just done it again!Addick Addict said:
She is an extremely good keeper. However, it is very difficult to claim that she is the best keeper in the world when she doesn't have to stand back to bowlers who bowl at 95mph or keep to a spinner who has all the variations in the book.Chizz said:In my opinion, Sarah Taylor is the best wicket keeper in the world. You're welcome either to agree with me or, conversely, to remain wrong.
So case unproven I'm afraid.
You make a good point to suggest that she hasn't been tested against the best men's teams' bowlers. I don't think that fast bowling would present an insurmountable challenge, it's just a case of standing further back. And I also think she's a good enough athlete to be able to cope standing up to the very best "mystery spinners". That's why I think she's the best in the world. And that's why the best-ever wicket keeper batsman, Adam Gilchrist named her as such. And he's possibly an even better judge than me!
I'm certainly not saying that she hasn't got one of the best pair of hands in the game. But until she is tested keeping to the best male bowlers in the world she cannot be called the "best keeper" in the world.
Case still unproven. And I don't care if Adam Gilchrist says so. He wasn't one of the great keepers either.
Edit - I have also asked my son who has just got back from taking one of his GCSEs and who knows more about keeping than I will ever do as he has kept for Kent age groups sides for the last six years, has had numerous sessions with Geraint Jones amongst others and has yet to let a bye through in the Kent Cricket League this season from almost a thousand balls. And he, of course, totally agrees with me. But then he would wouldn't he!
Taylor has better hands than Buttler and standing up is at least his equal. That doesn't make her a better overall keeper. And Foakes, for a start, is better than all of them.
Although, of course, it does beg the question as to why on earth they're giving the gloves to Buttler, when Plunkett's in the team...
You've proved your point.
2. Yes, she is. But not for those reasons.
2. Cricket is an entertainment - I would pay to watch Sarah Taylor keep wicket all day long. That's not true of any other wicket keeper, past or present.
3. She's a magnificent example of triumph over almost-insurmountable and debilitating illness. It's a miracle she's still playing for England, let alone demonstrating she's at the summit of achievement in her art.
For clarity, "1" is Adam Gilchrist's view; "2" is mine. And "3" is a plain fact.
What would you prefer to see, Sarah Taylor pulling off breath-taking, one-handed, leg-side stumpings, or Ben Foakes (what is he, England's fourth-choice keeper?) standing back and catching fast, straight deliveries, ball after ball?
If keeping were the sole criteria then how come Taylor isn't in the England men's team? She did have a few games in Sussex 2s but that is as far as her career in the male game reached.
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Taylor and Foakes aren't fit to lace James Foster's boots. Fact.1
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Chizz must be on a wind up0
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@Chizz don’t be a knob4
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None.Addick Addict said:
For what reasons, may I ask, is Taylor a better keeper than Foakes?Chizz said:
1. Height ISN'T a criterion.Addick Addict said:
Foakes at 6' 1'' is good enough if height is the sole criteria. Standing back to 75 mph bowlers and to spinners that hardly turn the ball as opposed to 95mph and a Rashid with many variations clearly makes Taylor the best keeper in the world.Chizz said:
LOL! So Jos Buttler is a better keeper than Alan Knott, by three inches? No wonder Jonny Bairstow is such a terrible keeper.Addick Addict said:
Taylor would not be able to take the ball that Buttler has just taken one handed above his head off Wood even standing in the same place. She is 4 inches shorter and her reach wouldn't be as long. So that would be five wides instead of one.Addick Addict said:
It was in response to your comment that "it's just a case of standing further back". It's not simply because there is an optimum spot to take the ball. So Taylor moving back puts her in the wrong place.Chizz said:
How do you work that out?Addick Addict said:
No it isn't - the further you stand back the lower you have to take good length balls and higher you have to take shorter balls so, by definition, balls that a male keeper would be taking chest high would end up sailing over her head. Equally, the further you stand back the greater the deviation is off the bat. And this doesn't even take into account the fact that she is shorter and will have a lesser reach than her male counter parts.Chizz said:
No, I found it very easy to claim she is the best keeper in the world. See? I have just done it again!Addick Addict said:
She is an extremely good keeper. However, it is very difficult to claim that she is the best keeper in the world when she doesn't have to stand back to bowlers who bowl at 95mph or keep to a spinner who has all the variations in the book.Chizz said:In my opinion, Sarah Taylor is the best wicket keeper in the world. You're welcome either to agree with me or, conversely, to remain wrong.
So case unproven I'm afraid.
You make a good point to suggest that she hasn't been tested against the best men's teams' bowlers. I don't think that fast bowling would present an insurmountable challenge, it's just a case of standing further back. And I also think she's a good enough athlete to be able to cope standing up to the very best "mystery spinners". That's why I think she's the best in the world. And that's why the best-ever wicket keeper batsman, Adam Gilchrist named her as such. And he's possibly an even better judge than me!
I'm certainly not saying that she hasn't got one of the best pair of hands in the game. But until she is tested keeping to the best male bowlers in the world she cannot be called the "best keeper" in the world.
Case still unproven. And I don't care if Adam Gilchrist says so. He wasn't one of the great keepers either.
Edit - I have also asked my son who has just got back from taking one of his GCSEs and who knows more about keeping than I will ever do as he has kept for Kent age groups sides for the last six years, has had numerous sessions with Geraint Jones amongst others and has yet to let a bye through in the Kent Cricket League this season from almost a thousand balls. And he, of course, totally agrees with me. But then he would wouldn't he!
Taylor has better hands than Buttler and standing up is at least his equal. That doesn't make her a better overall keeper. And Foakes, for a start, is better than all of them.
Although, of course, it does beg the question as to why on earth they're giving the gloves to Buttler, when Plunkett's in the team...
You've proved your point.
2. Yes, she is. But not for those reasons.
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This has surely got to be a wind up! Faster bowling just means standing further back!
Sarah Taylor is a fantastic women's keeper but that is as far as it goes. I'd back myself to stand up to the stumps against Shrubsole's 65mph dollies 1 -
No, of course I don't think she's the only wicket keeper in the world that can do the bits you have highlighted.Addick Addict said:
Do you really think that she is the only wicket keeper in the world that can do the highlighted bits above. And you also know very little about the make up of the England side if you believe that Foakes is fourth choice keeper. He isn't - he is first choice keeper but there isn't room in the team for Buttler, Bairstow and the first two are rated better batsmen.Chizz said:
1. She is the best wicket keeper in the world at the moment - male or female. She's done some work over the years in the Big Bash in Australia. There are a lot of fine wicket keepers around just so skilful with soft hands effecting these leg-side stumpings. She spends so much time up to the stumps with a little less pace on the ball in the women's game and is so skilful.Addick Addict said:
And your supporting evidence of this is?Chizz said:
I am very happy to answer that for you and thank you for putting it in such a pleasant and polite way. It's because she's better.Addick Addict said:
For what reasons, may I ask, is Taylor a better keeper than Foakes?Chizz said:
1. Height ISN'T a criterion.Addick Addict said:
Foakes at 6' 1'' is good enough if height is the sole criteria. Standing back to 75 mph bowlers and to spinners that hardly turn the ball as opposed to 95mph and a Rashid with many variations clearly makes Taylor the best keeper in the world.Chizz said:
LOL! So Jos Buttler is a better keeper than Alan Knott, by three inches? No wonder Jonny Bairstow is such a terrible keeper.Addick Addict said:
Taylor would not be able to take the ball that Buttler has just taken one handed above his head off Wood even standing in the same place. She is 4 inches shorter and her reach wouldn't be as long. So that would be five wides instead of one.Addick Addict said:
It was in response to your comment that "it's just a case of standing further back". It's not simply because there is an optimum spot to take the ball. So Taylor moving back puts her in the wrong place.Chizz said:
How do you work that out?Addick Addict said:
No it isn't - the further you stand back the lower you have to take good length balls and higher you have to take shorter balls so, by definition, balls that a male keeper would be taking chest high would end up sailing over her head. Equally, the further you stand back the greater the deviation is off the bat. And this doesn't even take into account the fact that she is shorter and will have a lesser reach than her male counter parts.Chizz said:
No, I found it very easy to claim she is the best keeper in the world. See? I have just done it again!Addick Addict said:
She is an extremely good keeper. However, it is very difficult to claim that she is the best keeper in the world when she doesn't have to stand back to bowlers who bowl at 95mph or keep to a spinner who has all the variations in the book.Chizz said:In my opinion, Sarah Taylor is the best wicket keeper in the world. You're welcome either to agree with me or, conversely, to remain wrong.
So case unproven I'm afraid.
You make a good point to suggest that she hasn't been tested against the best men's teams' bowlers. I don't think that fast bowling would present an insurmountable challenge, it's just a case of standing further back. And I also think she's a good enough athlete to be able to cope standing up to the very best "mystery spinners". That's why I think she's the best in the world. And that's why the best-ever wicket keeper batsman, Adam Gilchrist named her as such. And he's possibly an even better judge than me!
I'm certainly not saying that she hasn't got one of the best pair of hands in the game. But until she is tested keeping to the best male bowlers in the world she cannot be called the "best keeper" in the world.
Case still unproven. And I don't care if Adam Gilchrist says so. He wasn't one of the great keepers either.
Edit - I have also asked my son who has just got back from taking one of his GCSEs and who knows more about keeping than I will ever do as he has kept for Kent age groups sides for the last six years, has had numerous sessions with Geraint Jones amongst others and has yet to let a bye through in the Kent Cricket League this season from almost a thousand balls. And he, of course, totally agrees with me. But then he would wouldn't he!
Taylor has better hands than Buttler and standing up is at least his equal. That doesn't make her a better overall keeper. And Foakes, for a start, is better than all of them.
Although, of course, it does beg the question as to why on earth they're giving the gloves to Buttler, when Plunkett's in the team...
You've proved your point.
2. Yes, she is. But not for those reasons.
2. Cricket is an entertainment - I would pay to watch Sarah Taylor keep wicket all day long. That's not true of any other wicket keeper, past or present.
3. She's a magnificent example of triumph over almost-insurmountable and debilitating illness. It's a miracle she's still playing for England, let alone demonstrating she's at the summit of achievement in her art.
For clarity, "1" is Adam Gilchrist's view; "2" is mine. And "3" is a plain fact.
What would you prefer to see, Sarah Taylor pulling off breath-taking, one-handed, leg-side stumpings, or Ben Foakes (what is he, England's fourth-choice keeper?) standing back and catching fast, straight deliveries, ball after ball?
If keeping were the sole criteria then how come Taylor isn't in the England men's team? She did have a few games in Sussex 2s but that is as far as her career in the male game reached.
I know a *bit* about the make-up of the current England men's side. I know that Bairstow is in it, that Buttler is in it, that Billings didn't make the squad through injury and that Foakes isn't in it. And that makes it look like he's not among the best three. Are you suggesting there are other ahead of him too..?
Keeping isn't the sole criterion for selection in the England cricket team. I didn't suggest it is. It's one of them. Certainly more important than height.
If you genuinely believe Adam Gilchrist is wrong, how would you try to convince him?0 -
make sure to wear yer helmet and mouthshield ((:>)Pelling1993 said:This has surely got to be a wind up! Faster bowling just means standing further back! Sarah Taylor is a fantastic women's keeper but that is as far as it goes. I'd back myself to stand up to the stumps against Shrubsole's 65mph dolliesPelling1993 said:This has surely got to be a wind up! Faster bowling just means standing further back! Sarah Taylor is a fantastic women's keeper but that is as far as it goes. I'd back myself to stand up to the stumps against Shrubsole's 65mph dollies
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Marvellous and convincing counter-argument. Well played.Callumcafc said:@Chizz don’t be a knob1 -
All the while there’s quite a reasonable World Cup cricket game going on in Hampshire.4
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this innings is doing Root's confidence a power of good .. opening and standing up to the quickies, who incidentally, don't look as quick and dangerous as England's famous 51
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I think that as the Op on this thread that i have to intervene on the Taylor wicket keeper 'discussion' that 1) Taylor cannot be the best keeper in the world without having kept to the likes of Archer and 2) This is a WC thread , and Taylor is not involved.
So there.
Lets talk about the WC.
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WWWWWoakes at 3 .. nosebleed time ((:>)0
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Woakes !!! .. straight drive like Roy ((:>)0
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Rules Foakes out then!The_President said:I think that as the Op on this thread that i have to intervene on the Taylor wicket keeper 'discussion' that 1) Taylor cannot be the best keeper in the world without having kept to the likes of Archer and 2) This is a WC thread , and Taylor is not involved.
So there.
Lets talk about the WC.
Out of respect to the topic of the thread, I'll desist in posting about Sarah Taylor, and just leave this picture for everyone. It's England's World Cup winning wicket keeper with the trophy.
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Woakes auditioning for the number three position for the Ashes...1
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many a true statement .. made in jest ((:>) .. when batting this season he just looks like a real playerCallumcafc said:Woakes auditioning for the number three position for the Ashes...
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When we had our opener troubles in OZ last year, Woakes was touted as a possible opener at the time.
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West Indies looking very ordinary today when conditions don't suit their quicks0
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Just makes it even crazier that we had Woakes below an out of form Moeen1
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If I were Root I would ask the Umpire to request that Gayle removes his glasses when bowling due to the reflection off them giving the bowler an unfair advantage. I'm sure Gayle would oblige.0
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Good win that England.
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The best batsmen are stepping up. It seems that all the best sides have a quality player who's not there to slog but can still bat briskly and hold the innings together0
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Root is top run scorer so far?0
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Comprehensive win by England0
