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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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Some got over 9 days left an all, and all reasonably priced -carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
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I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)2 -
If they've agreed to pay £33m then they're already paying way more than the club is worth. Roland may have a fantastical piece of paper that says the property assets are worth £42m but that doesn't change the fact that any commercial lender would laugh at that valuation.JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
Duchatelet isn't selling the club for what it's worth. He wants paying back £50m he's wasted and he won't release the club until he gets his money. He's set a ransom demand, not a sale price. A Somali pirate has better business ethics than Duchatelet. At least when they agree to a price they stick to it.7 -
No doubt have countless others but they've all moved on. Surely it's part of the territory? But I guess when you're small fry £1 million is a lot of money. All they are doing is helping continue this stalemate. A kind of insurance policy for Roland.JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)
I wish they'd just bugger off3 -
A Friday is always a good day to announce good news ...
I don’t work on Fridays. If that’s not good news, I don’t know what is9 -
I know you're trying to be cute with that 4% comment but I don't find that funny at all.JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)0 -
There has to come a time when they will conclude that Douchatelet doesn't really want to sell, because that's how he's behaving.JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)
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I think they have some sort of Goonies style treasure map showing treasures buried under the East Stand. Victorian sewer indeed.... It's an underground cave network full of Arks of the Covenant, a few Holy Grails....carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.3 -
So I’m assuming JS that they have submitted the outstanding piece of paperwork that the club said the EFL needed back in June 2018?JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)4 - Sponsored links:
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No they haven’t. That’s the point.carly burn said:
No doubt have countless others but they've all moved on. Surely it's part of the territory? But I guess when you're small fry £1 million is a lot of money. All they are doing is helping continue this stalemate. A kind of insurance policy for Roland.JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)
I wish they'd just bugger off
The rest of your post doesn’t deserve a reply because you're clearly on the wind up. Decent effort though. 🤣0 -
Finally a sensible post after 56 thousand comments.irudd123 said:
I think they have some sort of Goonies style treasure map showing treasures buried under the East Stand. Victorian sewer indeed.... It's an underground cave network full of Arks of the Covenant, a few Holy Grails....carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.6 -
1874, one of the greatest ever Britons born, Winston Churchill.15
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Had a new nephew born on Tuesday, called Winston6
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‘The club said’, or Lieven/Roland said?AFKABartram said:
So I’m assuming JS that they have submitted the outstanding piece of paperwork that the club said the EFL needed back in June 2018?JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)0 -
Chill Winstoni_b_b_o_r_g said:Had a new nephew born on Tuesday, called Winston3 -
All of the above.JamesSeed said:
‘The club said’, or Lieven/Roland said?AFKABartram said:
So I’m assuming JS that they have submitted the outstanding piece of paperwork that the club said the EFL needed back in June 2018?JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)0 -
You may well be right, but there is literally no point in pulling out as far as they’re concerned, as it cost very little to stay in.andynelson said:
There has to come a time when they will conclude that Douchatelet doesn't really want to sell, because that's how he's behaving.JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)
They may well have concluded that they probably won’t get to buy the club because Roland wants more than they’re prepared to pay, but as far as they're concerned there’s always a chance he might change his mind and see sense.In the meantime of course, someone else can always meet Roland’s valuation. The fact that the Aussies have that bid lodged, does not prevent someone else coming in to buy the club. End of.
I doubt very much that if they withdrew their (assumed) £33m bid that Roland would suddenly decide to sell to someone else for less.
I still think it’s possible Dalman might pop up again, although it looks like his dealings with Roland didn't go well. As I’ve said before, he might be a better bet, who knows (don’t answer that! 😂)7 - Sponsored links:
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Thing is all the time they stay in, Duchatelet has a reason to negotiate only as far down as their agreed price. If they withdrew then he'd have nothing to leverage with other potential buyers.JamesSeed said:
You may well be right, but there is literally no point in pulling out as far as they’re concerned, as it cost very little to stay in.andynelson said:
There has to come a time when they will conclude that Douchatelet doesn't really want to sell, because that's how he's behaving.JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)
They may well have concluded that they probably won’t get to buy the club because Roland wants more than they’re prepared to pay, but as far as they're concerned there’s always a chance he might change his mind and see sense.In the meantime of course, someone else can always meet Roland’s valuation. The fact that the Aussies have that bid lodged, does not prevent someone else coming in to buy the club. End of.
I doubt very much that if they withdrew their (assumed) £33m bid that Roland would suddenly decide to sell to someone else for less.
I still think it’s possible Dalman might pop up again, although it looks like his dealings with Roland didn't go well. As I’ve said before, he might be a better bet, who knows (don’t answer that! 😂)
I mean, why would he accept £30m from Dalman when he already has £33m - net, in his mind - from the Aussies? The only reason would be to save a few months of costs, but he's suffered at least 2 years of them so far.12 -
Of course he wouldn’t accept £30m from Dalman when he’s turned down an offer of £33m (not net. It’s never been met, and Roland knows that).rikofold said:
Thing is all the time they stay in, Duchatelet has a reason to negotiate only as far down as their agreed price. If they withdrew then he'd have nothing to leverage with other potential buyers.JamesSeed said:
You may well be right, but there is literally no point in pulling out as far as they’re concerned, as it cost very little to stay in.andynelson said:
There has to come a time when they will conclude that Douchatelet doesn't really want to sell, because that's how he's behaving.JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)
They may well have concluded that they probably won’t get to buy the club because Roland wants more than they’re prepared to pay, but as far as they're concerned there’s always a chance he might change his mind and see sense.In the meantime of course, someone else can always meet Roland’s valuation. The fact that the Aussies have that bid lodged, does not prevent someone else coming in to buy the club. End of.
I doubt very much that if they withdrew their (assumed) £33m bid that Roland would suddenly decide to sell to someone else for less.
I still think it’s possible Dalman might pop up again, although it looks like his dealings with Roland didn't go well. As I’ve said before, he might be a better bet, who knows (don’t answer that! 😂)
I mean, why would he accept £30m from Dalman when he already has £33m - net, in his mind - from the Aussies? The only reason would be to save a few months of costs, but he's suffered at least 2 years of them so far.
And what’s to stop Dalman paying £34m anyway.1 -
But that still leaves the British bid and the Chinese bid.rikofold said:
Thing is all the time they stay in, Duchatelet has a reason to negotiate only as far down as their agreed price. If they withdrew then he'd have nothing to leverage with other potential buyers.JamesSeed said:
You may well be right, but there is literally no point in pulling out as far as they’re concerned, as it cost very little to stay in.andynelson said:
There has to come a time when they will conclude that Douchatelet doesn't really want to sell, because that's how he's behaving.JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)
They may well have concluded that they probably won’t get to buy the club because Roland wants more than they’re prepared to pay, but as far as they're concerned there’s always a chance he might change his mind and see sense.In the meantime of course, someone else can always meet Roland’s valuation. The fact that the Aussies have that bid lodged, does not prevent someone else coming in to buy the club. End of.
I doubt very much that if they withdrew their (assumed) £33m bid that Roland would suddenly decide to sell to someone else for less.
I still think it’s possible Dalman might pop up again, although it looks like his dealings with Roland didn't go well. As I’ve said before, he might be a better bet, who knows (don’t answer that! 😂)
I mean, why would he accept £30m from Dalman when he already has £33m - net, in his mind - from the Aussies? The only reason would be to save a few months of costs, but he's suffered at least 2 years of them so far.
Roland is always looking for the two birds in the bush, he will still think that he can get more even if there were just one bidder or even no bidders.
HE'S NOT RATIONAL
And it would still be Airman Brown's fault, the ex-directors fault, the EFL's fault.
Everyone but himself.17 -
Don't they represent the club?JamesSeed said:
‘The club said’, or Lieven/Roland said?AFKABartram said:
So I’m assuming JS that they have submitted the outstanding piece of paperwork that the club said the EFL needed back in June 2018?JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)0 -
James, the EFL told three CAST delegates, of which I was one, in late October, that they had not submitted all the paperwork at that time.JamesSeed said:
‘The club said’, or Lieven/Roland said?AFKABartram said:
So I’m assuming JS that they have submitted the outstanding piece of paperwork that the club said the EFL needed back in June 2018?JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)4 -
I’m going to have a wild guess and say No.Alwaysneil said:
Is that Phil Collins?PaddyP17 said:
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I'll always argue that we, the fans, are the club but in this context the pair of incompetents De Turck and Duchatelet and "the club" are the same thing ie the regime that owns the business.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Don't they represent the club?JamesSeed said:
‘The club said’, or Lieven/Roland said?AFKABartram said:
So I’m assuming JS that they have submitted the outstanding piece of paperwork that the club said the EFL needed back in June 2018?JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)
Point is the regime said it was only some paperwork to the EFL holding up the deal.
Like they said David White had agreed to be flexible with his bond.
Like they said the bonds maybe time limited
Like they said the protests were only 2% of the fans
The regime lies quite a lot and the submit paperwork to EFL might just be one of them. Why does anyone believe what the regime says?
I really wish the Aussies would do what Dalman has done and brief the press off the record to put their side of the story. That would be biased and slanted in their favour just as all briefings are but at least we'd have more information.
I've never got the hatred/mistrust of the Aussies because I just don't know enough about them.
That doesn't mean I'm not cautious about them, their funding or their intentions because I am. I'm equally cautious about Dalman (who were his backers? what were/are his plans?) and any other buyers.
But let's not use the lies of the regime as evidence against the Aussies or anyone else. That is what Duchatelet wants.
Duchatelet wants the fans to blame the ex-directors for the delay, not him.
Duchatelet wants the fans to blame the Aussies for the delay, not him.33 -
Exactly ThisHenry Irving said:
I'll always argue that we, the fans, are the club but in this context the pair of incompetents De Turck and Duchatelet and "the club" are the same thing ie the regime that owns the business.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Don't they represent the club?JamesSeed said:
‘The club said’, or Lieven/Roland said?AFKABartram said:
So I’m assuming JS that they have submitted the outstanding piece of paperwork that the club said the EFL needed back in June 2018?JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)
Point is the regime said it was only some paperwork to the EFL holding up the deal.
Like they said David White had agreed to be flexible with his bond.
Like they said the bonds maybe time limited
Like they said the protests were only 2% of the fans
The regime lies quite a lot and the submit paperwork to EFL might just be one of them. Why does anyone believe what the regime says?
I really wish the Aussies would do what Dalman has done and brief the press off the record to put their side of the story. That would be biased and slanted in their favour just as all briefings are but at least we'd have more information.
I've never got the hatred/mistrust of the Aussies because I just don't know enough about them.
That doesn't mean I'm not cautious about them, their funding or their intentions because I am. I'm equally cautious about Dalman (who were his backers? what were/are his plans?) and any other buyers.
But let's not use the lies of the regime as evidence against the Aussies or anyone else. That is what Duchatelet wants.
Duchatelet wants the fans to blame the ex-directors for the delay, not him.
Duchatelet wants the fans to blame the Aussies for the delay, not him.8 -
Yes the club lies, as much, if not more than it tells the truth, but they still said it and it was 'kinda' backed up by the EFL, who would have no reason to lie.Henry Irving said:
I'll always argue that we, the fans, are the club but in this context the pair of incompetents De Turck and Duchatelet and "the club" are the same thing ie the regime that owns the business.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Don't they represent the club?JamesSeed said:
‘The club said’, or Lieven/Roland said?AFKABartram said:
So I’m assuming JS that they have submitted the outstanding piece of paperwork that the club said the EFL needed back in June 2018?JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)
Point is the regime said it was only some paperwork to the EFL holding up the deal.
Like they said David White had agreed to be flexible with his bond.
Like they said the bonds maybe time limited
Like they said the protests were only 2% of the fans
The regime lies quite a lot and the submit paperwork to EFL might just be one of them. Why does anyone believe what the regime says?
I really wish the Aussies would do what Dalman has done and brief the press off the record to put their side of the story. That would be biased and slanted in their favour just as all briefings are but at least we'd have more information.
I've never got the hatred/mistrust of the Aussies because I just don't know enough about them.
That doesn't mean I'm not cautious about them, their funding or their intentions because I am. I'm equally cautious about Dalman (who were his backers? what were/are his plans?) and any other buyers.
But let's not use the lies of the regime as evidence against the Aussies or anyone else. That is what Duchatelet wants.
Duchatelet wants the fans to blame the ex-directors for the delay, not him.
Duchatelet wants the fans to blame the Aussies for the delay, not him.0 -
I don’t doubt that, but they’ve repeated that fact at FFs when the paperwork was no longer the reason for the delays. It’s a red herring now and has been for some time. Or do we think that Roland has said yes to £33m and the paperwork is an issue?PragueAddick said:
James, the EFL told three CAST delegates, of which I was one, in late October, that they had not submitted all the paperwork at that time.JamesSeed said:
‘The club said’, or Lieven/Roland said?AFKABartram said:
So I’m assuming JS that they have submitted the outstanding piece of paperwork that the club said the EFL needed back in June 2018?JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)1
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