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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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Anyone else find this sentence a bit strange?
"When selling the owner takes into account the probability of securing the long-term future of the club and minimise the risk of the club going bust. "
Why?
This implies there has been a bid or bids that match the valuation, but Roland hasn't taken them because of "moral" reasons.
Roland, you have no moral responsibility to do this, and you are not going to be seen by most fans as our great saviour and protector. You will not be remembered fondly, whatever you do now. If you have the chance, no one will blame you for taking your money and running, even if you do sell to the equivalent of the spivs. After all, it's just business, right? No room for sentiment.
Of course, I would prefer you to sell to somebody trustworthy, with the club's best interests at heart...it's just not your responsibility to vet them, and decide what's best. That's part of what the EFL (supposedly) do.
Surely the fans will deal with the new owners as and when, and judge them on their own merits?
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But those two lines you've highlighted, don't make up for a inefficiencies from the Aussie side though, which there have, have there not?cafcwill said:
Exactly ThisHenry Irving said:
I'll always argue that we, the fans, are the club but in this context the pair of incompetents De Turck and Duchatelet and "the club" are the same thing ie the regime that owns the business.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Don't they represent the club?JamesSeed said:
‘The club said’, or Lieven/Roland said?AFKABartram said:
So I’m assuming JS that they have submitted the outstanding piece of paperwork that the club said the EFL needed back in June 2018?JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)
Point is the regime said it was only some paperwork to the EFL holding up the deal.
Like they said David White had agreed to be flexible with his bond.
Like they said the bonds maybe time limited
Like they said the protests were only 2% of the fans
The regime lies quite a lot and the submit paperwork to EFL might just be one of them. Why does anyone believe what the regime says?
I really wish the Aussies would do what Dalman has done and brief the press off the record to put their side of the story. That would be biased and slanted in their favour just as all briefings are but at least we'd have more information.
I've never got the hatred/mistrust of the Aussies because I just don't know enough about them.
That doesn't mean I'm not cautious about them, their funding or their intentions because I am. I'm equally cautious about Dalman (who were his backers? what were/are his plans?) and any other buyers.
But let's not use the lies of the regime as evidence against the Aussies or anyone else. That is what Duchatelet wants.
Duchatelet wants the fans to blame the ex-directors for the delay, not him.
Duchatelet wants the fans to blame the Aussies for the delay, not him.0 -
I believe - based on no inside knowledge, only what I've read on here and been told by friends - that the price had been agreed and paperwork was filed, at that point funding fell through, or was not properly in place, to begin with, which is why no more was filed.JamesSeed said:
I don’t doubt that, but they’ve repeated that fact at FFs when the paperwork was no longer the reason for the delays. It’s a red herring now and has been for some time. Or do we think that Roland has said yes to £33m and the paperwork is an issue?PragueAddick said:
James, the EFL told three CAST delegates, of which I was one, in late October, that they had not submitted all the paperwork at that time.JamesSeed said:
‘The club said’, or Lieven/Roland said?AFKABartram said:
So I’m assuming JS that they have submitted the outstanding piece of paperwork that the club said the EFL needed back in June 2018?JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)
The Aussies then submitted a lower offer, which they could finance (or the finance 'falling through' was a negotiating tactic) at which point RD became annoyed and upped the price due to the fact he's a total moron who doesn't like having his plans meddled with.
Since then we've gained promotion and RD has once again tried to up the price because he's a total fruit.
Trying to do business with a madman must be very difficult, at the same time it dealing in bad faith is not a great thing to do either, if that's what happened.3 -
amended for accuracySteviesDivingHeaders said:Roland, you have no morals1 -
I’m going to have a wild guess and say No.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Don't they represent the club?JamesSeed said:
‘The club said’, or Lieven/Roland said?AFKABartram said:
So I’m assuming JS that they have submitted the outstanding piece of paperwork that the club said the EFL needed back in June 2018?JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)0 -
Then who would you guess they are representing?JamesSeed said:
I’m going to have a wild guess and say No.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Don't they represent the club?JamesSeed said:
‘The club said’, or Lieven/Roland said?AFKABartram said:
So I’m assuming JS that they have submitted the outstanding piece of paperwork that the club said the EFL needed back in June 2018?JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)0 -
Because it's likely that new owners wouldn't pay (whatever sum is agreed) up front in total. Payments would be staggered over several seasons/years/on reaching certain targets - whatever. So it's in RD'd interest that the club remains solvent - otherwise he wouldn't get the subsequent payments.SteviesDivingHeaders said:Anyone else find this sentence a bit strange?
"When selling the owner takes into account the probability of securing the long-term future of the club and minimise the risk of the club going bust. "
Why?5 -
I’m going to have another wild guess now, and say Roland.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Then who would you guess they are representing?JamesSeed said:
I’m going to have a wild guess and say No.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Don't they represent the club?JamesSeed said:
‘The club said’, or Lieven/Roland said?AFKABartram said:
So I’m assuming JS that they have submitted the outstanding piece of paperwork that the club said the EFL needed back in June 2018?JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)0 -
I think you are spot-on c-w.cafc-west said:
Because it's likely that new owners wouldn't pay (whatever sum is agreed) up front in total. Payments would be staggered over several seasons/years/on reaching certain targets - whatever. So it's in RD'd interest that the club remains solvent - otherwise he wouldn't get the subsequent payments.SteviesDivingHeaders said:Anyone else find this sentence a bit strange?
"When selling the owner takes into account the probability of securing the long-term future of the club and minimise the risk of the club going bust. "
Why?0 - Sponsored links:
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I suspect it has more to do with any future payments he would negotiate and likelihood of receiving those payments rather than the clubs short / long term well being.SteviesDivingHeaders said:Anyone else find this sentence a bit strange?
"When selling the owner takes into account the probability of securing the long-term future of the club and minimise the risk of the club going bust. "
Why?
This implies there has been a bid or bids that match the valuation, but Roland hasn't taken them because of "moral" reasons.
Roland, you have no moral responsibility to do this, and you are not going to be seen by most fans as our great saviour and protector. You will not be remembered fondly, whatever you do now. If you have the chance, no one will blame you for taking your money and running, even if you do sell to the equivalent of the spivs. After all, it's just business, right? No room for sentiment.
Of course, I would prefer you to sell to somebody trustworthy, with the club's best interests at heart...it's just not your responsibility to vet them, and decide what's best. That's part of what the EFL (supposedly) do.
Surely the fans will deal with the new owners as and when, and judge them on their own merits?2 -
The same Roland who owns the club?JamesSeed said:
I’m going to have another wild guess now, and say Roland.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Then who would you guess they are representing?JamesSeed said:
I’m going to have a wild guess and say No.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Don't they represent the club?JamesSeed said:
‘The club said’, or Lieven/Roland said?AFKABartram said:
So I’m assuming JS that they have submitted the outstanding piece of paperwork that the club said the EFL needed back in June 2018?JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)1 -
The EFL said they'd investigate the unpaid bonuses and the situation at Charlton. No reason to lie?Stu_of_Kunming said:
Yes the club lies, as much, if not more than it tells the truth, but they still said it and it was 'kinda' backed up by the EFL, who would have no reason to lie.Henry Irving said:
I'll always argue that we, the fans, are the club but in this context the pair of incompetents De Turck and Duchatelet and "the club" are the same thing ie the regime that owns the business.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Don't they represent the club?JamesSeed said:
‘The club said’, or Lieven/Roland said?AFKABartram said:
So I’m assuming JS that they have submitted the outstanding piece of paperwork that the club said the EFL needed back in June 2018?JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)
Point is the regime said it was only some paperwork to the EFL holding up the deal.
Like they said David White had agreed to be flexible with his bond.
Like they said the bonds maybe time limited
Like they said the protests were only 2% of the fans
The regime lies quite a lot and the submit paperwork to EFL might just be one of them. Why does anyone believe what the regime says?
I really wish the Aussies would do what Dalman has done and brief the press off the record to put their side of the story. That would be biased and slanted in their favour just as all briefings are but at least we'd have more information.
I've never got the hatred/mistrust of the Aussies because I just don't know enough about them.
That doesn't mean I'm not cautious about them, their funding or their intentions because I am. I'm equally cautious about Dalman (who were his backers? what were/are his plans?) and any other buyers.
But let's not use the lies of the regime as evidence against the Aussies or anyone else. That is what Duchatelet wants.
Duchatelet wants the fans to blame the ex-directors for the delay, not him.
Duchatelet wants the fans to blame the Aussies for the delay, not him.
As you say the EFL only "kinda" backed up what the regime said
@pragueaddick said that "the EFL told three CAST delegates, of which I was one, in late October, that they had not submitted all the paperwork at that time."
Not "The lack of paperwork is the only thing holding up the deal."
I reiterate, I think the Aussies and GM have brought a lot of this on themselves by being so secretive and by issuing joint statements with the regime. It's natural to question them after so long but overriding all of that is that Duchatelet is the liar and Duchatelet is the problem.
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Roland is a cynical and chaotic operator, who is prepared to spin any number of lines. One of his favourite mantras is that the high running costs are putting off buyers - i.e. it’s nothing to do with his inflated price3
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I refer the gentleman to the answer given by my right honourable friend @Henry Irving a short time go. He summed up my feeling on this matter much better that I could.Stu_of_Kunming said:
The same Roland who owns the club?JamesSeed said:
I’m going to have another wild guess now, and say Roland.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Then who would you guess they are representing?JamesSeed said:
I’m going to have a wild guess and say No.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Don't they represent the club?JamesSeed said:
‘The club said’, or Lieven/Roland said?AFKABartram said:
So I’m assuming JS that they have submitted the outstanding piece of paperwork that the club said the EFL needed back in June 2018?JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)0 -
Very true.Blucher said:Roland is a cynical and chaotic operator, who is prepared to spin any number of lines. One of his favourite mantras is that the high running costs are putting off buyers - i.e. it’s nothing to do with his inflated price
As Airman Brown pointed out, just look at the regime's handling of the Bowyer contract.
LDT left it hanging for ages to the point that LB was briefing the press about it.
Duchatelet then issues another of his bizarre statements, blaming Bowyer and his agent but without telling Bowyer.
He then rings Bowyer himself and does a deal.
Now this is just one example, there are many more.
If that is how he handles the relatively simple task of extending the contract of an existing employee how the feck do people think he deals with a sale of the entire club.
Duchatelet is irrational and he is chaotic, he lies.
Duchatelet is and always has been the blockage to a sale, not the potential buyers.25 -
That part is 100% correct.Henry Irving said:
The EFL said they'd investigate the unpaid bonuses and the situation at Charlton. No reason to lie?Stu_of_Kunming said:
Yes the club lies, as much, if not more than it tells the truth, but they still said it and it was 'kinda' backed up by the EFL, who would have no reason to lie.Henry Irving said:
I'll always argue that we, the fans, are the club but in this context the pair of incompetents De Turck and Duchatelet and "the club" are the same thing ie the regime that owns the business.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Don't they represent the club?JamesSeed said:
‘The club said’, or Lieven/Roland said?AFKABartram said:
So I’m assuming JS that they have submitted the outstanding piece of paperwork that the club said the EFL needed back in June 2018?JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)
Point is the regime said it was only some paperwork to the EFL holding up the deal.
Like they said David White had agreed to be flexible with his bond.
Like they said the bonds maybe time limited
Like they said the protests were only 2% of the fans
The regime lies quite a lot and the submit paperwork to EFL might just be one of them. Why does anyone believe what the regime says?
I really wish the Aussies would do what Dalman has done and brief the press off the record to put their side of the story. That would be biased and slanted in their favour just as all briefings are but at least we'd have more information.
I've never got the hatred/mistrust of the Aussies because I just don't know enough about them.
That doesn't mean I'm not cautious about them, their funding or their intentions because I am. I'm equally cautious about Dalman (who were his backers? what were/are his plans?) and any other buyers.
But let's not use the lies of the regime as evidence against the Aussies or anyone else. That is what Duchatelet wants.
Duchatelet wants the fans to blame the ex-directors for the delay, not him.
Duchatelet wants the fans to blame the Aussies for the delay, not him.
As you say the EFL only "kinda" backed up what the regime said
@pragueaddick said that "the EFL told three CAST delegates, of which I was one, in late October, that they had not submitted all the paperwork at that time."
Not "The lack of paperwork is the only thing holding up the deal."
I reiterate, I think the Aussies and GM have brought a lot of this on themselves by being so secretive and by issuing joint statements with the regime. It's natural to question them after so long but overriding all of that is that Duchatelet is the liar and Duchatelet is the problem.
However with regards to the bonuses, it would appear the did investigate, they even told RD paying the bonuses would be a great way to build 'goodwill', what else did you expect them to do? They can't make RD pay something he's not legally bound to pay. Not sure that's a lie, it's just not what we wanted, although it's what some of us expected.0 -
They could have been honest and say that they DID see written evidence that the bonuses were not contingent with company profitability.Stu_of_Kunming said:
That part is 100% correct.Henry Irving said:
The EFL said they'd investigate the unpaid bonuses and the situation at Charlton. No reason to lie?Stu_of_Kunming said:
Yes the club lies, as much, if not more than it tells the truth, but they still said it and it was 'kinda' backed up by the EFL, who would have no reason to lie.Henry Irving said:
I'll always argue that we, the fans, are the club but in this context the pair of incompetents De Turck and Duchatelet and "the club" are the same thing ie the regime that owns the business.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Don't they represent the club?JamesSeed said:
‘The club said’, or Lieven/Roland said?AFKABartram said:
So I’m assuming JS that they have submitted the outstanding piece of paperwork that the club said the EFL needed back in June 2018?JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)
Point is the regime said it was only some paperwork to the EFL holding up the deal.
Like they said David White had agreed to be flexible with his bond.
Like they said the bonds maybe time limited
Like they said the protests were only 2% of the fans
The regime lies quite a lot and the submit paperwork to EFL might just be one of them. Why does anyone believe what the regime says?
I really wish the Aussies would do what Dalman has done and brief the press off the record to put their side of the story. That would be biased and slanted in their favour just as all briefings are but at least we'd have more information.
I've never got the hatred/mistrust of the Aussies because I just don't know enough about them.
That doesn't mean I'm not cautious about them, their funding or their intentions because I am. I'm equally cautious about Dalman (who were his backers? what were/are his plans?) and any other buyers.
But let's not use the lies of the regime as evidence against the Aussies or anyone else. That is what Duchatelet wants.
Duchatelet wants the fans to blame the ex-directors for the delay, not him.
Duchatelet wants the fans to blame the Aussies for the delay, not him.
As you say the EFL only "kinda" backed up what the regime said
@pragueaddick said that "the EFL told three CAST delegates, of which I was one, in late October, that they had not submitted all the paperwork at that time."
Not "The lack of paperwork is the only thing holding up the deal."
I reiterate, I think the Aussies and GM have brought a lot of this on themselves by being so secretive and by issuing joint statements with the regime. It's natural to question them after so long but overriding all of that is that Duchatelet is the liar and Duchatelet is the problem.
However with regards to the bonuses, it would appear the did investigate, they even told RD paying the bonuses would be a great way to build 'goodwill', what else did you expect them to do? They can't make RD pay something he's not legally bound to pay. Not sure that's a lie, it's just not what we wanted, although it's what some of us expected.
They saw it when it was handed to them. The evidence was so strong that even Chris Parkes, who was at the meeting, accepted it and said he'd speak to LDT about it.
They can't make Duchatelet pay but they sure could have done a lot more. They certainly lied when they said they hadn't seen evidence.2 -
My first serious post for years !happyvalley said:1874, one of the greatest ever Britons born, Winston Churchill.
Between 39-45 I concur but lots of working class folk didn't want him in peace time. And many London port Authority workers didn't want to transport his body up the Thames in Feb 65.
I did a school project on him when young and I don't live that far from Chartwell, Westerham and being a NT member enjoy going there a few times a year.
A very interesting strong character who was a man of his times and rich upbringing.
He was flawed in many ways but was the main individual who made sure we didn't go the same way as France, Holland, Poland etc. Oh yes.8 -
Get a gripCroydon said:
I know you're trying to be cute with that 4% comment but I don't find that funny at all.JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)7 - Sponsored links:
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JamesSeed?Henry Irving said:
I'll always argue that we, the fans, are the club but in this context the pair of incompetents De Turck and Duchatelet and "the club" are the same thing ie the regime that owns the business.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Don't they represent the club?JamesSeed said:
‘The club said’, or Lieven/Roland said?AFKABartram said:
So I’m assuming JS that they have submitted the outstanding piece of paperwork that the club said the EFL needed back in June 2018?JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)
Point is the regime said it was only some paperwork to the EFL holding up the deal.
Like they said David White had agreed to be flexible with his bond.
Like they said the bonds maybe time limited
Like they said the protests were only 2% of the fans
The regime lies quite a lot and the submit paperwork to EFL might just be one of them. Why does anyone believe what the regime says?
I really wish the Aussies would do what Dalman has done and brief the press off the record to put their side of the story. That would be biased and slanted in their favour just as all briefings are but at least we'd have more information.
I've never got the hatred/mistrust of the Aussies because I just don't know enough about them.
That doesn't mean I'm not cautious about them, their funding or their intentions because I am. I'm equally cautious about Dalman (who were his backers? what were/are his plans?) and any other buyers.
But let's not use the lies of the regime as evidence against the Aussies or anyone else. That is what Duchatelet wants.
Duchatelet wants the fans to blame the ex-directors for the delay, not him.
Duchatelet wants the fans to blame the Aussies for the delay, not him.1 -
1875, Captain Matthew Webb becomes the first person to swim The English Channel.1
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What more could they have done? As far as I'm aware the EFL are pretty toothless, which is a shame when you consider how many clubs are affected by batshit owners.Henry Irving said:
They could have been honest and say that they DID see written evidence that the bonuses were not contingent with company profitability.Stu_of_Kunming said:
That part is 100% correct.Henry Irving said:
The EFL said they'd investigate the unpaid bonuses and the situation at Charlton. No reason to lie?Stu_of_Kunming said:
Yes the club lies, as much, if not more than it tells the truth, but they still said it and it was 'kinda' backed up by the EFL, who would have no reason to lie.Henry Irving said:
I'll always argue that we, the fans, are the club but in this context the pair of incompetents De Turck and Duchatelet and "the club" are the same thing ie the regime that owns the business.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Don't they represent the club?JamesSeed said:
‘The club said’, or Lieven/Roland said?AFKABartram said:
So I’m assuming JS that they have submitted the outstanding piece of paperwork that the club said the EFL needed back in June 2018?JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)
Point is the regime said it was only some paperwork to the EFL holding up the deal.
Like they said David White had agreed to be flexible with his bond.
Like they said the bonds maybe time limited
Like they said the protests were only 2% of the fans
The regime lies quite a lot and the submit paperwork to EFL might just be one of them. Why does anyone believe what the regime says?
I really wish the Aussies would do what Dalman has done and brief the press off the record to put their side of the story. That would be biased and slanted in their favour just as all briefings are but at least we'd have more information.
I've never got the hatred/mistrust of the Aussies because I just don't know enough about them.
That doesn't mean I'm not cautious about them, their funding or their intentions because I am. I'm equally cautious about Dalman (who were his backers? what were/are his plans?) and any other buyers.
But let's not use the lies of the regime as evidence against the Aussies or anyone else. That is what Duchatelet wants.
Duchatelet wants the fans to blame the ex-directors for the delay, not him.
Duchatelet wants the fans to blame the Aussies for the delay, not him.
As you say the EFL only "kinda" backed up what the regime said
@pragueaddick said that "the EFL told three CAST delegates, of which I was one, in late October, that they had not submitted all the paperwork at that time."
Not "The lack of paperwork is the only thing holding up the deal."
I reiterate, I think the Aussies and GM have brought a lot of this on themselves by being so secretive and by issuing joint statements with the regime. It's natural to question them after so long but overriding all of that is that Duchatelet is the liar and Duchatelet is the problem.
However with regards to the bonuses, it would appear the did investigate, they even told RD paying the bonuses would be a great way to build 'goodwill', what else did you expect them to do? They can't make RD pay something he's not legally bound to pay. Not sure that's a lie, it's just not what we wanted, although it's what some of us expected.
They saw it when it was handed to them. The evidence was so strong that even Chris Parkes, who was at the meeting, accepted it and said he'd speak to LDT about it.
They can't make Duchatelet pay but they sure could have done a lot more. They certainly lied when they said they hadn't seen evidence.
I also wonder why we've seen no further action from staff if they were indeed legally entitled to those bonuses, although it's really not really any of our business, so they may want to just get on with their lives, not how I'd go about it personally, but it's not on me.0 -
They could be be honest and not lied.Stu_of_Kunming said:
What more could they have done? As far as I'm aware the EFL are pretty toothless, which is a shame when you consider how many clubs are affected by batshit owners.Henry Irving said:
They could have been honest and say that they DID see written evidence that the bonuses were not contingent with company profitability.Stu_of_Kunming said:
That part is 100% correct.Henry Irving said:
The EFL said they'd investigate the unpaid bonuses and the situation at Charlton. No reason to lie?Stu_of_Kunming said:
Yes the club lies, as much, if not more than it tells the truth, but they still said it and it was 'kinda' backed up by the EFL, who would have no reason to lie.Henry Irving said:
I'll always argue that we, the fans, are the club but in this context the pair of incompetents De Turck and Duchatelet and "the club" are the same thing ie the regime that owns the business.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Don't they represent the club?JamesSeed said:
‘The club said’, or Lieven/Roland said?AFKABartram said:
So I’m assuming JS that they have submitted the outstanding piece of paperwork that the club said the EFL needed back in June 2018?JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)
Point is the regime said it was only some paperwork to the EFL holding up the deal.
Like they said David White had agreed to be flexible with his bond.
Like they said the bonds maybe time limited
Like they said the protests were only 2% of the fans
The regime lies quite a lot and the submit paperwork to EFL might just be one of them. Why does anyone believe what the regime says?
I really wish the Aussies would do what Dalman has done and brief the press off the record to put their side of the story. That would be biased and slanted in their favour just as all briefings are but at least we'd have more information.
I've never got the hatred/mistrust of the Aussies because I just don't know enough about them.
That doesn't mean I'm not cautious about them, their funding or their intentions because I am. I'm equally cautious about Dalman (who were his backers? what were/are his plans?) and any other buyers.
But let's not use the lies of the regime as evidence against the Aussies or anyone else. That is what Duchatelet wants.
Duchatelet wants the fans to blame the ex-directors for the delay, not him.
Duchatelet wants the fans to blame the Aussies for the delay, not him.
As you say the EFL only "kinda" backed up what the regime said
@pragueaddick said that "the EFL told three CAST delegates, of which I was one, in late October, that they had not submitted all the paperwork at that time."
Not "The lack of paperwork is the only thing holding up the deal."
I reiterate, I think the Aussies and GM have brought a lot of this on themselves by being so secretive and by issuing joint statements with the regime. It's natural to question them after so long but overriding all of that is that Duchatelet is the liar and Duchatelet is the problem.
However with regards to the bonuses, it would appear the did investigate, they even told RD paying the bonuses would be a great way to build 'goodwill', what else did you expect them to do? They can't make RD pay something he's not legally bound to pay. Not sure that's a lie, it's just not what we wanted, although it's what some of us expected.
They saw it when it was handed to them. The evidence was so strong that even Chris Parkes, who was at the meeting, accepted it and said he'd speak to LDT about it.
They can't make Duchatelet pay but they sure could have done a lot more. They certainly lied when they said they hadn't seen evidence.
I also wonder why we've seen no further action from staff if they were indeed legally entitled to those bonuses, although it's really not really any of our business, so they may want to just get on with their lives, not how I'd go about it personally, but it's not on me.
They could have said that the evidence they had seen supported the staff and not Duchatelet's position.
The question about "wonder why we've seen no further action from staff if they were indeed legally entitled to those bonuses" comes over as victim blaming. "Oh, they stopped complaining so they can't have a case".
That may not mean what you meant but that's how it reads. We know they work for a lying, vindictive owner, maybe they don't want to be forced out of their jobs.4 -
I don't see why it needs so much analysis or even a mention of RD, it was just a straight forward question of whether the Aussies have now submitted all the paperwork to the EFL for them to acquire the club should their purchase be agreed with RD.
Because according to the EFL a year ago they had not.
I'm not looking to knock the Aussies in any way. I'm just seeking to understand
1. has anything changed with them and their status over the last year, and
2. whether its just a case of RD saying yes / no to them as JS insinuated this morning. If he says 'yes' are they good to go, or would there still be further delaying paper submission / approval etc that will be required.
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Certainly not how I meant it to come across but I thought there are laws against forcing people out of jobs after valid complaints.Henry Irving said:
They could be be honest and not lied.Stu_of_Kunming said:
What more could they have done? As far as I'm aware the EFL are pretty toothless, which is a shame when you consider how many clubs are affected by batshit owners.Henry Irving said:
They could have been honest and say that they DID see written evidence that the bonuses were not contingent with company profitability.Stu_of_Kunming said:
That part is 100% correct.Henry Irving said:
The EFL said they'd investigate the unpaid bonuses and the situation at Charlton. No reason to lie?Stu_of_Kunming said:
Yes the club lies, as much, if not more than it tells the truth, but they still said it and it was 'kinda' backed up by the EFL, who would have no reason to lie.Henry Irving said:
I'll always argue that we, the fans, are the club but in this context the pair of incompetents De Turck and Duchatelet and "the club" are the same thing ie the regime that owns the business.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Don't they represent the club?JamesSeed said:
‘The club said’, or Lieven/Roland said?AFKABartram said:
So I’m assuming JS that they have submitted the outstanding piece of paperwork that the club said the EFL needed back in June 2018?JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)
Point is the regime said it was only some paperwork to the EFL holding up the deal.
Like they said David White had agreed to be flexible with his bond.
Like they said the bonds maybe time limited
Like they said the protests were only 2% of the fans
The regime lies quite a lot and the submit paperwork to EFL might just be one of them. Why does anyone believe what the regime says?
I really wish the Aussies would do what Dalman has done and brief the press off the record to put their side of the story. That would be biased and slanted in their favour just as all briefings are but at least we'd have more information.
I've never got the hatred/mistrust of the Aussies because I just don't know enough about them.
That doesn't mean I'm not cautious about them, their funding or their intentions because I am. I'm equally cautious about Dalman (who were his backers? what were/are his plans?) and any other buyers.
But let's not use the lies of the regime as evidence against the Aussies or anyone else. That is what Duchatelet wants.
Duchatelet wants the fans to blame the ex-directors for the delay, not him.
Duchatelet wants the fans to blame the Aussies for the delay, not him.
As you say the EFL only "kinda" backed up what the regime said
@pragueaddick said that "the EFL told three CAST delegates, of which I was one, in late October, that they had not submitted all the paperwork at that time."
Not "The lack of paperwork is the only thing holding up the deal."
I reiterate, I think the Aussies and GM have brought a lot of this on themselves by being so secretive and by issuing joint statements with the regime. It's natural to question them after so long but overriding all of that is that Duchatelet is the liar and Duchatelet is the problem.
However with regards to the bonuses, it would appear the did investigate, they even told RD paying the bonuses would be a great way to build 'goodwill', what else did you expect them to do? They can't make RD pay something he's not legally bound to pay. Not sure that's a lie, it's just not what we wanted, although it's what some of us expected.
They saw it when it was handed to them. The evidence was so strong that even Chris Parkes, who was at the meeting, accepted it and said he'd speak to LDT about it.
They can't make Duchatelet pay but they sure could have done a lot more. They certainly lied when they said they hadn't seen evidence.
I also wonder why we've seen no further action from staff if they were indeed legally entitled to those bonuses, although it's really not really any of our business, so they may want to just get on with their lives, not how I'd go about it personally, but it's not on me.
They could have said that the evidence they had seen supported the staff and not Duchatelet's position.
The question about "wonder why we've seen no further action from staff if they were indeed legally entitled to those bonuses" comes over as victim blaming. "Oh, they stopped complaining so they can't have a case".
That may not mean what you meant but that's how it reads. We know they work for a lying, vindictive owner, maybe they don't want to be forced out of their jobs.0 -
Absolutely agree, @Henry IrvingHenry Irving said:
The EFL said they'd investigate the unpaid bonuses and the situation at Charlton. No reason to lie?Stu_of_Kunming said:
Yes the club lies, as much, if not more than it tells the truth, but they still said it and it was 'kinda' backed up by the EFL, who would have no reason to lie.Henry Irving said:
I'll always argue that we, the fans, are the club but in this context the pair of incompetents De Turck and Duchatelet and "the club" are the same thing ie the regime that owns the business.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Don't they represent the club?JamesSeed said:
‘The club said’, or Lieven/Roland said?AFKABartram said:
So I’m assuming JS that they have submitted the outstanding piece of paperwork that the club said the EFL needed back in June 2018?JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)
Point is the regime said it was only some paperwork to the EFL holding up the deal.
Like they said David White had agreed to be flexible with his bond.
Like they said the bonds maybe time limited
Like they said the protests were only 2% of the fans
The regime lies quite a lot and the submit paperwork to EFL might just be one of them. Why does anyone believe what the regime says?
I really wish the Aussies would do what Dalman has done and brief the press off the record to put their side of the story. That would be biased and slanted in their favour just as all briefings are but at least we'd have more information.
I've never got the hatred/mistrust of the Aussies because I just don't know enough about them.
That doesn't mean I'm not cautious about them, their funding or their intentions because I am. I'm equally cautious about Dalman (who were his backers? what were/are his plans?) and any other buyers.
But let's not use the lies of the regime as evidence against the Aussies or anyone else. That is what Duchatelet wants.
Duchatelet wants the fans to blame the ex-directors for the delay, not him.
Duchatelet wants the fans to blame the Aussies for the delay, not him.
As you say the EFL only "kinda" backed up what the regime said
@pragueaddick said that "the EFL told three CAST delegates, of which I was one, in late October, that they had not submitted all the paperwork at that time."
Not "The lack of paperwork is the only thing holding up the deal."
I reiterate, I think the Aussies and GM have brought a lot of this on themselves by being so secretive and by issuing joint statements with the regime. It's natural to question them after so long but overriding all of that is that Duchatelet is the liar and Duchatelet is the problem.1 -
I think some people's hatred of RD overrides any scepticism of anyone else sniffing around, including Dalman, the Assies, the Chinese etc.
As much as I can't stand the bloke, with regards to the Aussies, the 2 year delay can't just be down to RD or they would've surely / rightly walked with the rest months ago imo.5 -
And yet there are still people claiming "it would be very hard to argue the club wasn't being well run"...PragueAddick said:
Absolutely agree, @Henry IrvingHenry Irving said:
The EFL said they'd investigate the unpaid bonuses and the situation at Charlton. No reason to lie?Stu_of_Kunming said:
Yes the club lies, as much, if not more than it tells the truth, but they still said it and it was 'kinda' backed up by the EFL, who would have no reason to lie.Henry Irving said:
I'll always argue that we, the fans, are the club but in this context the pair of incompetents De Turck and Duchatelet and "the club" are the same thing ie the regime that owns the business.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Don't they represent the club?JamesSeed said:
‘The club said’, or Lieven/Roland said?AFKABartram said:
So I’m assuming JS that they have submitted the outstanding piece of paperwork that the club said the EFL needed back in June 2018?JamesSeed said:
I suppose because they’ve invested so much money in lawyers’ fees unravelling the historic legal issues. Over a million. Walking away wouldn’t make sense when you might be days away from Roland getting real. (I know, unlikely!)carly burn said:
Why don't they just walk away then?JamesSeed said:
No, but they refuse to pay more than they think the club is worth.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
So even you have lost faith in the Aussies then?JamesSeed said:Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Roland reduced the price and then upped it again. He's playing games.
But I guess I might prefer someone who was so rich they wouldn't care what the price was, but that's not realistic.
How much more time can they afford to waste? There are other clubs for sale.
It’s only Murphy who’s involved in negotiations, and he has other business interests. I think they have their bid lodged, and it’s up to Roland to say yes or no, rather than maybe.
So it’s not a 24/7 thing for GM. Probably just 4% of his time ;-)
Point is the regime said it was only some paperwork to the EFL holding up the deal.
Like they said David White had agreed to be flexible with his bond.
Like they said the bonds maybe time limited
Like they said the protests were only 2% of the fans
The regime lies quite a lot and the submit paperwork to EFL might just be one of them. Why does anyone believe what the regime says?
I really wish the Aussies would do what Dalman has done and brief the press off the record to put their side of the story. That would be biased and slanted in their favour just as all briefings are but at least we'd have more information.
I've never got the hatred/mistrust of the Aussies because I just don't know enough about them.
That doesn't mean I'm not cautious about them, their funding or their intentions because I am. I'm equally cautious about Dalman (who were his backers? what were/are his plans?) and any other buyers.
But let's not use the lies of the regime as evidence against the Aussies or anyone else. That is what Duchatelet wants.
Duchatelet wants the fans to blame the ex-directors for the delay, not him.
Duchatelet wants the fans to blame the Aussies for the delay, not him.
As you say the EFL only "kinda" backed up what the regime said
@pragueaddick said that "the EFL told three CAST delegates, of which I was one, in late October, that they had not submitted all the paperwork at that time."
Not "The lack of paperwork is the only thing holding up the deal."
I reiterate, I think the Aussies and GM have brought a lot of this on themselves by being so secretive and by issuing joint statements with the regime. It's natural to question them after so long but overriding all of that is that Duchatelet is the liar and Duchatelet is the problem.2 -
why do I keep looking at this thread????????????????????
aaahhhhhh!7
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