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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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happyvalley said:1829, Oxford University win the first Boat Race.0
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I think he’s worked out we’ve brought in enough money to at least break even, hence Bowyer getting some of the Dijksteel money to spend on the squad.JamesSeed said:Posted this on transfers thread:
I just hope Roland isn’t thinking of hanging around now the running costs have been lowered. Perhaps he thinks we might go on a run so he can put the price up again? Perhaps he’s even dreaming of the Premier League 😩
While waiting for a ridiculous offer for the club he can wait and see how the team get on. He said something around our budget doesn’t mean we have no chance in one of his statements. If Bowyer pulled off a miracle and we went up again he’ll probably get his money back.
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I heard he was in Clarks getting a new pair of shoes. It took a while, it's a big investment.NapaAddick said:The only reason we did not sell Taylor when the offer of £4.5M came in is that Roland was getting his teeth whitened at the time and missed the call.0 -
If it’s true we had the lowest budget in the division, promotion would seem unattainable.Scoham said:
I think he’s worked out we’ve brought in enough money to at least break even, hence Bowyer getting some of the Dijksteel money to spend on the squad.JamesSeed said:Posted this on transfers thread:
I just hope Roland isn’t thinking of hanging around now the running costs have been lowered. Perhaps he thinks we might go on a run so he can put the price up again? Perhaps he’s even dreaming of the Premier League 😩
While waiting for a ridiculous offer for the club he can wait and see how the team get on. He said something around our budget doesn’t mean we have no chance in one of his statements. If Bowyer pulled off a miracle and we went up again he’ll probably get his money back.
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Increased but still easily the lowest is my guess.stonemuse said:
If it’s true we had the lowest budget in the division, promotion would seem unattainable.Scoham said:
I think he’s worked out we’ve brought in enough money to at least break even, hence Bowyer getting some of the Dijksteel money to spend on the squad.JamesSeed said:Posted this on transfers thread:
I just hope Roland isn’t thinking of hanging around now the running costs have been lowered. Perhaps he thinks we might go on a run so he can put the price up again? Perhaps he’s even dreaming of the Premier League 😩
While waiting for a ridiculous offer for the club he can wait and see how the team get on. He said something around our budget doesn’t mean we have no chance in one of his statements. If Bowyer pulled off a miracle and we went up again he’ll probably get his money back.
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Or having lost all the buyers due to his silly price and silly games he realised he was going to still own the club this season.
He then had the choice of allowing it to go down with a whimper, which would have decreased its value, made him look bad and ramped up protests, or allow Bowyer to at least have a fighting chance of staying up.
For all the credit rightly given to Bowyer and Gallen they haven't spent very much and nothing at all compared to many other championship clubs.19 -
Oof. That was a day in the life. Blinking in the morning sun, and reading posts above I too have the feeling that something has changed. Obviously we didn't throw fee money around but some of those players have to be paid a decent wage. And yes, other Championship clubs had cash to burn but some don't, because they don't have parachute money. But for me the most significant thing was holding the line on Taylor, both from the playing side, perspective and the behaviour under dealing pressure. @Airman Brown wrote a couple of days earlier, that Brentford knew how to play Duchatelet after the Konsa deal, and that rang true to me, but yesterday it didn't work for them, and they seem to have rather shafted themselves as a result. Satisfying in itself, but unprecedented in the Douchebag era, is it not?
I am not going soft on resolve that he must be persuaded to sell, and ideally before the next window, but I think those of us with possibilities to do so (including Fans Forum attendees) should try to get some intelligence on whether possibly the budget did increase upwards a bit, and/or whether somehow Bowyer has established a trust level with RD that others never managed. Some insight on this would help us shape the nature of protests/ pressure that we should now exert on him.
The portals of hell stayed shut, its a beautiful morning (here anyway) and we go into a game tomorrow with Lyle Taylor leading the line and another Wembley hero returning. We cannot get carried away and Stoke will be a handful, but let's drink in the moment. In a small way I think we all won, yesterday.26 -
I cant disagree with what you say, but, I also agree with some of the other comments made above, that something has changed with Roland. If a £4 million bid was made by the club for Tovey, then that is way out of line with the way Roland has conducted himself, either that bid was made with assuming they would let Lyle go, or there,s something going on behind the scenes.Henry Irving said:Or having lost all the buyers due to his silly price and silly games he realised he was going to still own the club this season.
He then had the choice of allowing it to go down with a whimper, which would have decreased its value, made him look bad and ramped up protests, or allow Bowyer to at least have a fighting chance of staying up.
For all the credit rightly given to Bowyer and Gallen they haven't spent very much and nothing at all compared to many other championship clubs.0 -
1974, The BBC introduce Ceefax. I can still remember the pages, 302 for football & 340 for cricket.22
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I mentioned this elsewhere, but the Aussies told me something about Roland that made me think he wouldn’t dare sell Taylor. At least not without a proper replacement in place. I suspect that had the offer been accepted for Toney, Taylor would’ve been off. But he wouldn’t have sold him and pocketed the money.
Edit: Not because of scruples, but because of reputational damage and the increase of protests it would have caused.0 - Sponsored links:
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JamesSeed said:I mentioned this elsewhere, but the Aussies told me something about Roland that made me think he wouldn’t dare sell Taylor. At least not without a proper replacement in place. I suspect that had the offer been accepted for Toney, Taylor would’ve been off. But he wouldn’t have sold him and pocketed the money.
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Yay I now exist the world can rejoice.0
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See edit above.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:JamesSeed said:I mentioned this elsewhere, but the Aussies told me something about Roland that made me think he wouldn’t dare sell Taylor. At least not without a proper replacement in place. I suspect that had the offer been accepted for Toney, Taylor would’ve been off. But he wouldn’t have sold him and pocketed the money.
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RD may at last have been persuaded of the obvious - that a club in the Championship with decent squad and a chance of going up has more value than one which is likely to go down.1
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Something like this was also picked up in "Central Europe" but it would be important to understand this a bit better. Important not just for us on here but for potential buyers.JamesSeed said:I mentioned this elsewhere, but the Aussies told me something about Roland that made me think he wouldn’t dare sell Taylor. At least not without a proper replacement in place. I suspect that had the offer been accepted for Toney, Taylor would’ve been off. But he wouldn’t have sold him and pocketed the money.
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Brentford played out exactly as had been predicted to me - with the late cash upfront offer repeating the Konsa tactic - and if the Toney deal had gone through I am certain Taylor would have been allowed to leave. They were willing to pay him three times his Charlton salary and they were confident of getting him. The question is where his head will be now.PragueAddick said:Oof. That was a day in the life. Blinking in the morning sun, and reading posts above I too have the feeling that something has changed. Obviously we didn't throw fee money around but some of those players have to be paid a decent wage. And yes, other Championship clubs had cash to burn but some don't, because they don't have parachute money. But for me the most significant thing was holding the line on Taylor, both from the playing side, perspective and the behaviour under dealing pressure. @Airman Brown wrote a couple of days earlier, that Brentford knew how to play Duchatelet after the Konsa deal, and that rang true to me, but yesterday it didn't work for them, and they seem to have rather shafted themselves as a result. Satisfying in itself, but unprecedented in the Douchebag era, is it not?
I am not going soft on resolve that he must be persuaded to sell, and ideally before the next window, but I think those of us with possibilities to do so (including Fans Forum attendees) should try to get some intelligence on whether possibly the budget did increase upwards a bit, and/or whether somehow Bowyer has established a trust level with RD that others never managed. Some insight on this would help us shape the nature of protests/ pressure that we should now exert on him.
The portals of hell stayed shut, its a beautiful morning (here anyway) and we go into a game tomorrow with Lyle Taylor leading the line and another Wembley hero returning. We cannot get carried away and Stoke will be a handful, but let's drink in the moment. In a small way I think we all won, yesterday.
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So, on your understanding, RD was willing to pay out 4m (?) for Toney? Seems completely out of character.Airman Brown said:
Brentford played out exactly as had been predicted to me and if the Toney deal had gone through I am certain Taylor would have been allowed to leave. They were willing to pay him three times his Charlton salary and they were confident of getting him. The question is where his head will be now.PragueAddick said:Oof. That was a day in the life. Blinking in the morning sun, and reading posts above I too have the feeling that something has changed. Obviously we didn't throw fee money around but some of those players have to be paid a decent wage. And yes, other Championship clubs had cash to burn but some don't, because they don't have parachute money. But for me the most significant thing was holding the line on Taylor, both from the playing side, perspective and the behaviour under dealing pressure. @Airman Brown wrote a couple of days earlier, that Brentford knew how to play Duchatelet after the Konsa deal, and that rang true to me, but yesterday it didn't work for them, and they seem to have rather shafted themselves as a result. Satisfying in itself, but unprecedented in the Douchebag era, is it not?
I am not going soft on resolve that he must be persuaded to sell, and ideally before the next window, but I think those of us with possibilities to do so (including Fans Forum attendees) should try to get some intelligence on whether possibly the budget did increase upwards a bit, and/or whether somehow Bowyer has established a trust level with RD that others never managed. Some insight on this would help us shape the nature of protests/ pressure that we should now exert on him.
The portals of hell stayed shut, its a beautiful morning (here anyway) and we go into a game tomorrow with Lyle Taylor leading the line and another Wembley hero returning. We cannot get carried away and Stoke will be a handful, but let's drink in the moment. In a small way I think we all won, yesterday.0 -
Praying for a takeover I expect.Airman Brown said:
Brentford played out exactly as had been predicted to me - with the late cash upfront offer repeating the Konsa tactic - and if the Toney deal had gone through I am certain Taylor would have been allowed to leave. They were willing to pay him three times his Charlton salary and they were confident of getting him. The question is where his head will be now.PragueAddick said:Oof. That was a day in the life. Blinking in the morning sun, and reading posts above I too have the feeling that something has changed. Obviously we didn't throw fee money around but some of those players have to be paid a decent wage. And yes, other Championship clubs had cash to burn but some don't, because they don't have parachute money. But for me the most significant thing was holding the line on Taylor, both from the playing side, perspective and the behaviour under dealing pressure. @Airman Brown wrote a couple of days earlier, that Brentford knew how to play Duchatelet after the Konsa deal, and that rang true to me, but yesterday it didn't work for them, and they seem to have rather shafted themselves as a result. Satisfying in itself, but unprecedented in the Douchebag era, is it not?
I am not going soft on resolve that he must be persuaded to sell, and ideally before the next window, but I think those of us with possibilities to do so (including Fans Forum attendees) should try to get some intelligence on whether possibly the budget did increase upwards a bit, and/or whether somehow Bowyer has established a trust level with RD that others never managed. Some insight on this would help us shape the nature of protests/ pressure that we should now exert on him.
The portals of hell stayed shut, its a beautiful morning (here anyway) and we go into a game tomorrow with Lyle Taylor leading the line and another Wembley hero returning. We cannot get carried away and Stoke will be a handful, but let's drink in the moment. In a small way I think we all won, yesterday.2 -
I think we are all secretly hoping this, but don't want to say itFanny Fanackapan said:
I suggested this scenario earlier today.SX_Addick said:Given the unprecedented transfer window, and assuming that at least some of the rumours are true (we turned four multimillion pound bids down for Taylor?) I do wonder what has changed. Have we been taken over and the announcement has not yet been made. It all feels very odd at the moment.
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But why not just improve contract to Lyle - surely Toney would have wanted a decent salary?Airman Brown said:
Brentford played out exactly as had been predicted to me - with the late cash upfront offer repeating the Konsa tactic - and if the Toney deal had gone through I am certain Taylor would have been allowed to leave. They were willing to pay him three times his Charlton salary and they were confident of getting him. The question is where his head will be now.PragueAddick said:Oof. That was a day in the life. Blinking in the morning sun, and reading posts above I too have the feeling that something has changed. Obviously we didn't throw fee money around but some of those players have to be paid a decent wage. And yes, other Championship clubs had cash to burn but some don't, because they don't have parachute money. But for me the most significant thing was holding the line on Taylor, both from the playing side, perspective and the behaviour under dealing pressure. @Airman Brown wrote a couple of days earlier, that Brentford knew how to play Duchatelet after the Konsa deal, and that rang true to me, but yesterday it didn't work for them, and they seem to have rather shafted themselves as a result. Satisfying in itself, but unprecedented in the Douchebag era, is it not?
I am not going soft on resolve that he must be persuaded to sell, and ideally before the next window, but I think those of us with possibilities to do so (including Fans Forum attendees) should try to get some intelligence on whether possibly the budget did increase upwards a bit, and/or whether somehow Bowyer has established a trust level with RD that others never managed. Some insight on this would help us shape the nature of protests/ pressure that we should now exert on him.
The portals of hell stayed shut, its a beautiful morning (here anyway) and we go into a game tomorrow with Lyle Taylor leading the line and another Wembley hero returning. We cannot get carried away and Stoke will be a handful, but let's drink in the moment. In a small way I think we all won, yesterday.9 - Sponsored links:
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Re my earlier post, there is also Cawley's resonant tweet yesterday (my emphasis) " Duchatelet knows this will open the portals of hell" Cawley is a proper pro who played a blinder for us yesterday, again. if he was just reading "us" in the tweet he would not have included the first two words, I believe. A year or more ago Duchatelet would not have given a toss. So I wonder what RC has heard that allowed him to write that.9
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The suggestion then is that RD understands the need for stability and or to retain Bows to get a sale.. Personally feel Bows might have found it difficult to bite his lip and maintain the respect of the fans if Taylor had been flogged with no repair or benefit to the squad.0
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Of course, that is the concern. But I tell myself that he's 29, and apparently a fully paid up member of the human race, unlike, e.g. Grant. Also when he arrived my AFCW buddy told me that he's a player who needs to be loved and in return he will give 150% and that turned out to be right on the money, so we have a role to play.Airman Brown said:
Brentford played out exactly as had been predicted to me - with the late cash upfront offer repeating the Konsa tactic - and if the Toney deal had gone through I am certain Taylor would have been allowed to leave. They were willing to pay him three times his Charlton salary and they were confident of getting him. The question is where his head will be now.PragueAddick said:Oof. That was a day in the life. Blinking in the morning sun, and reading posts above I too have the feeling that something has changed. Obviously we didn't throw fee money around but some of those players have to be paid a decent wage. And yes, other Championship clubs had cash to burn but some don't, because they don't have parachute money. But for me the most significant thing was holding the line on Taylor, both from the playing side, perspective and the behaviour under dealing pressure. @Airman Brown wrote a couple of days earlier, that Brentford knew how to play Duchatelet after the Konsa deal, and that rang true to me, but yesterday it didn't work for them, and they seem to have rather shafted themselves as a result. Satisfying in itself, but unprecedented in the Douchebag era, is it not?
I am not going soft on resolve that he must be persuaded to sell, and ideally before the next window, but I think those of us with possibilities to do so (including Fans Forum attendees) should try to get some intelligence on whether possibly the budget did increase upwards a bit, and/or whether somehow Bowyer has established a trust level with RD that others never managed. Some insight on this would help us shape the nature of protests/ pressure that we should now exert on him.
The portals of hell stayed shut, its a beautiful morning (here anyway) and we go into a game tomorrow with Lyle Taylor leading the line and another Wembley hero returning. We cannot get carried away and Stoke will be a handful, but let's drink in the moment. In a small way I think we all won, yesterday.
The smart thing to do of course would be to offer him a juicy new contract forthwith.12 -
I think we can assume that RD is aware of CARD's statement and was probably intimidated by the phrase 'legitimate target'.5
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It totally backs up what GM told me. RD is far more sensitive to protests and reputational damage than we realise. This was after conversations they had with him at the time of the playoff win.PragueAddick said:Re my earlier post, there is also Cawley's resonant tweet yesterday (my emphasis) " Duchatelet knows this will open the portals of hell" Cawley is a proper pro who played a blinder for us yesterday, again. if he was just reading "us" in the tweet he would not have included the first two words, I believe. A year or more ago Duchatelet would not have given a toss. So I wonder what RC has heard that allowed him to write that.1 -
James, with regards to his sensitivity to both protests and reputational damage, would it be fair to assume he's much more concerned about the latter than the former?JamesSeed said:
It totally backs up what GM told me. RD is far more sensitive to protests and reputational damage than we realise. This was after conversations they had with him at the time of the playoff win.PragueAddick said:Re my earlier post, there is also Cawley's resonant tweet yesterday (my emphasis) " Duchatelet knows this will open the portals of hell" Cawley is a proper pro who played a blinder for us yesterday, again. if he was just reading "us" in the tweet he would not have included the first two words, I believe. A year or more ago Duchatelet would not have given a toss. So I wonder what RC has heard that allowed him to write that.1 -
There's another Worcester supporter on here?blackpool72 said:I've inboxed AFKA to tell him that the bullying of Surrey supporters on here has gone too far.
He has promised me that several Kent and one Worcester supporter will receive lifetime bans unless they collectively come on here and appolagise unreservedly.
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Leuthiainment said:
There's another Worcester supporter on here?blackpool72 said:I've inboxed AFKA to tell him that the bullying of Surrey supporters on here has gone too far.
He has promised me that several Kent and one Worcester supporter will receive lifetime bans unless they collectively come on here and appolagise unreservedly.
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Paying out the fee received for Lyle to replace him with a 23-year-old against keeping a player with one year on his contract who is more likely to be a declining asset in terms of resale value at the end of any extension.raytreacy69 said: But why not just improve contract to Lyle - surely Toney would have wanted a decent salary?stonemuse said:
So, on your understanding, RD was willing to pay out 4m (?) for Toney? Seems completely out of character.Airman Brown said:
Brentford played out exactly as had been predicted to me and if the Toney deal had gone through I am certain Taylor would have been allowed to leave. They were willing to pay him three times his Charlton salary and they were confident of getting him. The question is where his head will be now.PragueAddick said:Oof. That was a day in the life. Blinking in the morning sun, and reading posts above I too have the feeling that something has changed. Obviously we didn't throw fee money around but some of those players have to be paid a decent wage. And yes, other Championship clubs had cash to burn but some don't, because they don't have parachute money. But for me the most significant thing was holding the line on Taylor, both from the playing side, perspective and the behaviour under dealing pressure. @Airman Brown wrote a couple of days earlier, that Brentford knew how to play Duchatelet after the Konsa deal, and that rang true to me, but yesterday it didn't work for them, and they seem to have rather shafted themselves as a result. Satisfying in itself, but unprecedented in the Douchebag era, is it not?
I am not going soft on resolve that he must be persuaded to sell, and ideally before the next window, but I think those of us with possibilities to do so (including Fans Forum attendees) should try to get some intelligence on whether possibly the budget did increase upwards a bit, and/or whether somehow Bowyer has established a trust level with RD that others never managed. Some insight on this would help us shape the nature of protests/ pressure that we should now exert on him.
The portals of hell stayed shut, its a beautiful morning (here anyway) and we go into a game tomorrow with Lyle Taylor leading the line and another Wembley hero returning. We cannot get carried away and Stoke will be a handful, but let's drink in the moment. In a small way I think we all won, yesterday.
RD wasn’t looking to sell Lyle. He knew it would be a disaster but there is also a management decision here for Bowyer, who now has an unhappy player. This was about Brentford unsettling Taylor and trying to have RD over, based on the fact they were able to do it last year.
To be clear, I don’t blame Lyle for wanting to go at 29 and currently being on poor money for a 25-goal striker. I’m very much in favour of keeping him though.
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@KiwiValley was here...screaming and kicking. It would be a quarter century before I succumbed to my Addicks fan fate.1
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