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2019 General Election - Match Thread
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I'd imagine that what the universities are doing nowadays is teaching the courses for which the students are registered. Unless you are studying Political Science there is limited chance that teaching the UK political system would be all that relevant.ME14addick said:I recently spoke to a young lady who has just started her first job after gaining a Masters degree. She told me that she didn't realise that you don't actually vote for the party leader. What on earth are they teaching students in our universities, it seems they know nothing of real life.
Now, if you'd complained about the school curriculum, where the UK is unlike other European countries which often teach students about such matters in what used to be known as Civics classes, I might agree with you.
Most knowledge of politics for many in the UK is gleaned via a media prism, including the increasingly anti-social variety, that simplifies politics to a battle of the personality cults - so it's hardly surprising that many in the electorate see themselves voting for the Leader they like (just listen to who people say they are supporting in vox pops).
We've dumbed down, and I'm not sure how that can be reversed.11 -
booo hoooo booo hooo leave cheated that noise is me laughing wot fecking pathetic bollox.
you socialists are truly deluded twonks:
its always someone else's fault
the "wrong" type of socialism
someones else's money
The media
They lied
Marx is DEAD and so is his shit ideology.
PS one really good thing is the utter piece of trash who was the MP for Kensington got thrown out .6 -
Thanks for elevating the discussion there @Goonerhater pal.
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Wonder when that Russia report is going to be released?1
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It may not be released now. National Security and all that.1
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is that Groucho or Harpo ? ((:>) both make as much sense as clever KarlGoonerhater said:booo hoooo booo hooo leave cheated that noise is me laughing wot fecking pathetic bollox.
you socialists are truly deluded twonks:
its always someone else's fault
the "wrong" type of socialism
someones else's money
The media
They lied
Marx is DEAD and so is his shit ideology.
PS one really good thing is the utter piece of trash who was the MP for Kensington got thrown out .
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Now proper political life can start again .. the Brexit thunder cloud is drifting away .. let's hope that Boris walks the walk he talks .0
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40 new hospitals by 2025 he promised didn't he?0
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Does this mean i still have to pay for broadband?12
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This is what annoys me. I enjoy the political threads because there are people on both sides whose opinions I respect. It makes for a genuinely interesting discussion and for someone like myself whose knowledge of politics is limited, I find it very helpful when there are intelligent people making good arguments each way.Goonerhater said:booo hoooo booo hooo leave cheated that noise is me laughing wot fecking pathetic bollox.
you socialists are truly deluded twonks:
its always someone else's fault
the "wrong" type of socialism
someones else's money
The media
They lied
Marx is DEAD and so is his shit ideology.
PS one really good thing is the utter piece of trash who was the MP for Kensington got thrown out .
Then someone like this pipes up with nothing worthwhile to say and just brings the whole thing into a juvenile shouting match. I'm not saying I even disagree with your views, but if you just want to spout childish nonsense then please stick to Facebook and Twitter where you'll find plenty of like minded individuals to have a toy throwing contest with.17 -
IDS for Minister for Food Banks?0
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In the constituency next to mine, Great Grimsby, the Tories got in for the first time for 74 years .. Tory polled 18,150, Labour 10,819 .. Grimsby goes TORY ??? .. absolutely remarkable and shows the immense loss of faith in the socialists by the old fashioned 'working class'
Seems the middle classes, those with the real cash, the Chelsea tractor brigade are now all socialists and the poor who use the bus are now fervent right wingers .. BUT remember how Blair mullered the Tories not so very long ago. We live in interesting times
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I'll get to the point eventually....NornIrishAddick said:
I'd imagine that what the universities are doing nowadays is teaching the courses for which the students are registered. Unless you are studying Political Science there is limited chance that teaching the UK political system would be all that relevant.ME14addick said:I recently spoke to a young lady who has just started her first job after gaining a Masters degree. She told me that she didn't realise that you don't actually vote for the party leader. What on earth are they teaching students in our universities, it seems they know nothing of real life.
Now, if you'd complained about the school curriculum, where the UK is unlike other European countries which often teach students about such matters in what used to be known as Civics classes, I might agree with you.
Most knowledge of politics for many in the UK is gleaned via a media prism, including the increasingly anti-social variety, that simplifies politics to a battle of the personality cults - so it's hardly surprising that many in the electorate see themselves voting for the Leader they like (just listen to who people say they are supporting in vox pops).
We've dumbed down, and I'm not sure how that can be reversed.
I agree with all of the above, and have referenced earlier the lack of political awareness I have experienced.
Many many (many) years ago I did Govt and politics A Level. I did it because I had an interest, but what I learnt on that course was invaluable, understanding the various ideologies and systems. It provided some context for what I have seen over the last 40 years of political consciousness. There would be real value in this being part of the national curriculum, but I do wonder if it could ever be delivered without bias.2 - Sponsored links:
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The beast of Bolsover bites the dust .. Dennis Skinner after 49 years !!0
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Proper LabourLincsaddick said:The beast of Bolsover bites the dust .. Dennis Skinner after 49 years !!0 -
Will be a tremendous honour to be the first home crowd in England to sing loud and proud about how we've given the ruling classes carte blanche to do what they please4
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My constituency of Sidcup and old Bexley voted 65% for the Tories.
Our MP James Brokenshire is a damn good bloke/MP.
But my vote for the Lib Dems felt like spitting into the wind.
Our political system is broken, PR is so obviously needed but the 2 biggest party's gain by keeping the status quo.
This has been said before so apologies for repetition.0 -
@Leuth why do you think Labour did so badly? I'm not asking as a wind up I'm genuinely interested given your left wing perspective.0
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SantaClaus said:@Leuth why do you think Labour did so badly? I'm not asking as a wind up I'm genuinely interested given your left wing outlook.
Cos Corbyn is unelectable it's blindingly obvious to all except momentum members !!!
Excuse my frustrations, I do have respect for Corbyn. But none for Boris.
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@SantaClaus The media, the moronic electorate and the Illuminati probably.
Is everyone ok by the way? I was expecting a hunting pack of toffs on horseback to have kicked my door in by now and hit me with rolled up copies of The Telegraph.
Let me know if it's safe to go out on the streets.1 -
If road congestion were the main factor for voting Labour, then the whole of Kent would have turned red. The Universities at Canterbury are known as being left wing.seth plum said:There is no evidence as to what wing University students in Canterbury occupy.
Maybe it will emerge.
I imagine Canterbury will undergo change because of the congestion to come on local roads due to the problems 'leave' causes at the ports.
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They had to betray both sides of Brexit to offer a position coherent with their ideals.
They didn't have a soundbite as monolithically persuasive and final as Get Brexit Done.
Their policies, while sound, and costed, began to take on the tone of 'free stuff!' - they should have basically kept all the soundbites to functional infrastructural investment (and an emphasis on explaining the tax plans) and kept the rest to small print rather than big announcements.
They kept putting Richard Burgon and his big oafish face on the telly
They didn't put Angela Rayner on the telly enough.
They probably burnt their Lib Dem bridges too quickly, although mind you who'd have done a deal with that ghastly Swinson? Ditto the Greens, and Lucas is certainly someone they could have worked with. Their manifesto was extremely green. Maybe they should have made more of this.
They put Corbyn, a fundamentally decent if guileless man, in positions where a more polished operator may have played the game better. I think this isn't so important, but it counts for something, as does the ease with which his closeness to certain causes could be misrepresented by a ruling-class media storm he should have anticipated better.
Ultimately, they were a little too optimistic for the situation. They were up against it from the outset and the Establishment had many weapons at its disposal. They should have fought on the practicals. But Brexit loomed over everything.6 -
'Known for'?ME14addick said:
If road congestion were the main factor for voting Labour, then the whole of Kent would have turned red. The Universities at Canterbury are known as being left wing.seth plum said:There is no evidence as to what wing University students in Canterbury occupy.
Maybe it will emerge.
I imagine Canterbury will undergo change because of the congestion to come on local roads due to the problems 'leave' causes at the ports.
Do they have a test or something when they select the students?2
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