Is the season going to finish? (ed. Pg.53 - 3 players not returned to training)
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I'd happily take a voided season.
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if every player from all 20 premier league squads have been tested then 6 is a very, very small number.Addickted2TheReds said:
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that's only from 3 clubs isn't it ?1
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It says 748 people were tested total so that would average out at roughly 37.5 tests per team. Or 250 tests per team if they only did three clubs. :-)1
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ah yeah I see, mis-read it.
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Its still 6 to many to considering restartingLargeAddick said:
if every player from all 20 premier league squads have been tested then 6 is a very, very small number.Addickted2TheReds said:7 -
There were six positive tests for coronavirus across three Premier League clubs on Sunday and Monday, as the top flight prepares to resume in June.
The unnamed players or staff who have tested positive from the 748 total tests conducted will now self-isolate for seven days.
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why do 3 premier league clubs need 250 tests each ffs1
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750 tests across the leaguepalarsehater said:why do 3 premier league clubs need 250 tests each ffs0 - Sponsored links:
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read it wrong0
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That article is behind a paywall. Anyone able to copy and paste it here?charltonman2016 said:0 -
Well, if games were being played and those 6 players give it to another 6 players, who then give it to another 6 players.....you then have a problem.
Or would you be happy to go back to work knowing that people you were going to be in very close contact with ( no social distancing when playing football) have the virus.
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Just shows that it was a badly written piece of "journalism".palarsehater said:read it wrong0 -
lordromford said:
That article is behind a paywall. Anyone able to copy and paste it here?charltonman2016 said:Hull City are on Tuesday revealed as the first Championship club to strongly oppose a resumption of the season, insisting the campaign must be voided in a letter sent to EFL chairman Rick Parry.
Ehab Allam, the club’s vice-chairman, has written to Parry and the 23 rival Championship clubs to outline his "serious concerns" over football's return amid the coronavirus pandemic.
In correspondence seen by Telegraph Sport, Allam said his club will rack up costs of around £1.2million in failing to complete the season and addresses his fears over sporting integrity, revealing that he will vote against potential changes to contract extensions beyond June 30.
It is understood that at least three other Championship clubs expressed opposition or strong reservations over restarting the season in last week’s conference call, but Hull City have now firmed up their own position with a strongly-worded email sent on Monday.
Hull City were 21st in the table before the season was suspended in March, two points adrift of the relegation zone and without a win in the league since New Years’ Day.
Allam writes: “I do not presently believe that the 2019/20 season can be safely completed without unnecessarily exposing Championship clubs to potential legal action in the event that one or more of its employees (or their family members) were to become infected with COVID-19.
“As made clear on last week’s conference call, I am against the 2019/20 season being completed under the present circumstances and in light of the wider public health issues facing the United Kingdom at the present time.
“My position remains that the season should be voided and (with no further games played and efforts instead being focused upon ensuring a safe return in the advance of next season, whenever that ultimately takes place), with this means of drawing a conclusion to the 2019/20 season (including how the important questions of promotion and relegation would then be addressed) being put to a formal vote pursuant to the EFL’s Articles of Association.”
Allam also adds that the rate of infection in Yorkshire, where Hull is based, and the North East is higher than anywhere in the country, and insists the EFL is putting “undue and inappropriate pressure” on clubs to make a return to training.
Last week it was broadly agreed that clubs in the second tier can return to training on Monday May 25, with hopes growing over a possible start date of June 20.
It is understood that the majority of Championship clubs wish to finish the season by completing the campaign.
Hull City are only two points above Charlton Athletic, who currently occupy 22nd place, and were beaten 4-0 by Leeds and 5-1 by Stoke in their final two matches before the season was frozen.
English Football League - Championship
Team P W D L GD Pts 1 Leeds United 37 21 8 8 26 71 2 West Bromwich Albion 37 19 13 5 27 70 3 Fulham 37 18 10 9 14 64 4 Brentford 37 17 9 11 31 60 5 Nottingham Forest 37 16 12 9 10 60 6 Preston North End 37 16 8 13 5 56 7 Bristol City 37 15 10 12 -2 55 8 Millwall 37 13 15 9 4 54 9 Cardiff City 37 13 15 9 2 54 10 Blackburn Rovers 37 14 11 12 7 53 11 Swansea City 37 13 14 10 1 53 12 Derby County 37 13 12 12 0 51 13 Queens Park Rangers 37 14 8 15 -4 50 14 Reading 37 13 9 15 4 48 15 Sheffield Wednesday 37 13 9 15 -3 48 16 Birmingham City 37 12 11 14 -9 47 17 Stoke City 37 12 6 19 -6 42 18 Huddersfield Town 37 11 9 17 -13 42 19 Middlesbrough 37 9 14 14 -10 41 20 Wigan Athletic 37 10 11 16 -12 41 21 Hull City 37 11 8 18 -14 41 22 Charlton Athletic 37 10 9 18 -10 39 23 Luton Town 37 10 5 22 -28 35 24 Barnsley 37 8 10 19 -20 34 Relegated from the Premier League three years ago, the club was taken over by the Egyptian-British Allam family in 2010. The club also sold arguably their two best players in the January transfer window, with Jarrod Bowen moving to West Ham and Kamil Grosicki signing for West Brom.
The season’s restart and protocols over training are set to be discussed further in Wednesday’s weekly EFL board meeting.
Hull were unavailable for comment on Tuesday morning.
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yes, but if they self-isolate for a week, then are tested again and are in the clear and return to training then hopefully no players will then test positive.golfaddick said:Well, if games were being played and those 6 players give it to another 6 players, who then give it to another 6 players.....you then have a problem.
Or would you be happy to go back to work knowing that people you were going to be in very close contact with ( no social distancing when playing football) have the virus.
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And as the players will have had no contact with each other, there's no chance of the infected player already passing the virus on to a teammate before being testedLargeAddick said:
yes, but if they self-isolate for a week, then are tested again and are in the clear and return to training then hopefully no players will then test positive.golfaddick said:Well, if games were being played and those 6 players give it to another 6 players, who then give it to another 6 players.....you then have a problem.
Or would you be happy to go back to work knowing that people you were going to be in very close contact with ( no social distancing when playing football) have the virus.
Just the hookers they've been shagging during lockdown1 -
But players aren't isolating themselves from the world around them. So we could continue to see positive tests each week. And the problem is, if you testing delay is a week, you could not only contract it but spread it. And the other problem players have brought up is that it isn't just about them, they could end up spreading it to their families.LargeAddick said:
yes, but if they self-isolate for a week, then are tested again and are in the clear and return to training then hopefully no players will then test positive.golfaddick said:Well, if games were being played and those 6 players give it to another 6 players, who then give it to another 6 players.....you then have a problem.
Or would you be happy to go back to work knowing that people you were going to be in very close contact with ( no social distancing when playing football) have the virus.
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Those confirmed as positive are going to self isolate, as they are doing tests hopefully this will stop the worry of them spreading via playing... otherwise they shouldn't be playing full stop. Still interesting to see how it plays out, as long as they are testing everyone and there is no leeway it could work, or if too many are coming back positive then cancel it all together.golfaddick said:Well, if games were being played and those 6 players give it to another 6 players, who then give it to another 6 players.....you then have a problem.
Or would you be happy to go back to work knowing that people you were going to be in very close contact with ( no social distancing when playing football) have the virus.
I am in the void camp anyway, but might be somewhat biased based on our position.
6 players from 3 clubs although too many doesn't seem much, could even be youth/or people who might not have played. They need to test it to death and ensure that there is no risks of spreading/transmitting it further. If that happens at all then the EPL/ Bodies involved should be hit with fines and stop the whole thing.0 - Sponsored links:
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What has been agreed re contracts?0
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Nothing.Redrobo said:What has been agreed re contracts?
Which is really THE big problem. Unless ALL 72 League clubs agree to a mandatory 3 month extension TO ALL PLAYERS then the season has to end now. Even then players like Taylor might not want to sign a short extension & could just let the run out. A bit of a risk because currently no-one knows what it going to happen after the summer & such players could find themselves "unemployed" for months.0 -
So, you isolate yourself for a week, making you a week behind everyone else with regards getting back to match fitness.LargeAddick said:
yes, but if they self-isolate for a week, then are tested again and are in the clear and return to training then hopefully no players will then test positive.golfaddick said:Well, if games were being played and those 6 players give it to another 6 players, who then give it to another 6 players.....you then have a problem.
Or would you be happy to go back to work knowing that people you were going to be in very close contact with ( no social distancing when playing football) have the virus.
And say one of these 6 was Aguero, or Salah, are they going to be told to stay at home & miss a vital game or two if a test was found to be positive once the season had got back up & running.0 -
There's no such beast as a mandatory extension of contracts, surely - every single player would have the right to refuse it.golfaddick said:
Nothing.Redrobo said:What has been agreed re contracts?
Which is really THE big problem. Unless ALL 72 League clubs agree to a mandatory 3 month extension TO ALL PLAYERS then the season has to end now. Even then players like Taylor might not want to sign a short extension & could just let the run out. A bit of a risk because currently no-one knows what it going to happen after the summer & such players could find themselves "unemployed" for months.7 -
First time I've looked at the league table since lockdown. Only just realised/ remembered how tight it is at the bottom. 6 teams within 3 points of us (and last relegation spot). How on earth can you just end the season as it is (like Scotland) even if you used some stupid PPG. We are playing Hull next. A real 6 pointer. PPG doesnt take that into account now does itSporadicAddick said:lordromford said:
That article is behind a paywall. Anyone able to copy and paste it here?charltonman2016 said:Hull City are on Tuesday revealed as the first Championship club to strongly oppose a resumption of the season, insisting the campaign must be voided in a letter sent to EFL chairman Rick Parry.
Ehab Allam, the club’s vice-chairman, has written to Parry and the 23 rival Championship clubs to outline his "serious concerns" over football's return amid the coronavirus pandemic.
In correspondence seen by Telegraph Sport, Allam said his club will rack up costs of around £1.2million in failing to complete the season and addresses his fears over sporting integrity, revealing that he will vote against potential changes to contract extensions beyond June 30.
It is understood that at least three other Championship clubs expressed opposition or strong reservations over restarting the season in last week’s conference call, but Hull City have now firmed up their own position with a strongly-worded email sent on Monday.
Hull City were 21st in the table before the season was suspended in March, two points adrift of the relegation zone and without a win in the league since New Years’ Day.
Allam writes: “I do not presently believe that the 2019/20 season can be safely completed without unnecessarily exposing Championship clubs to potential legal action in the event that one or more of its employees (or their family members) were to become infected with COVID-19.
“As made clear on last week’s conference call, I am against the 2019/20 season being completed under the present circumstances and in light of the wider public health issues facing the United Kingdom at the present time.
“My position remains that the season should be voided and (with no further games played and efforts instead being focused upon ensuring a safe return in the advance of next season, whenever that ultimately takes place), with this means of drawing a conclusion to the 2019/20 season (including how the important questions of promotion and relegation would then be addressed) being put to a formal vote pursuant to the EFL’s Articles of Association.”
Allam also adds that the rate of infection in Yorkshire, where Hull is based, and the North East is higher than anywhere in the country, and insists the EFL is putting “undue and inappropriate pressure” on clubs to make a return to training.
Last week it was broadly agreed that clubs in the second tier can return to training on Monday May 25, with hopes growing over a possible start date of June 20.
It is understood that the majority of Championship clubs wish to finish the season by completing the campaign.
Hull City are only two points above Charlton Athletic, who currently occupy 22nd place, and were beaten 4-0 by Leeds and 5-1 by Stoke in their final two matches before the season was frozen.
English Football League - Championship
Team P W D L GD Pts 1 Leeds United 37 21 8 8 26 71 2 West Bromwich Albion 37 19 13 5 27 70 3 Fulham 37 18 10 9 14 64 4 Brentford 37 17 9 11 31 60 5 Nottingham Forest 37 16 12 9 10 60 6 Preston North End 37 16 8 13 5 56 7 Bristol City 37 15 10 12 -2 55 8 Millwall 37 13 15 9 4 54 9 Cardiff City 37 13 15 9 2 54 10 Blackburn Rovers 37 14 11 12 7 53 11 Swansea City 37 13 14 10 1 53 12 Derby County 37 13 12 12 0 51 13 Queens Park Rangers 37 14 8 15 -4 50 14 Reading 37 13 9 15 4 48 15 Sheffield Wednesday 37 13 9 15 -3 48 16 Birmingham City 37 12 11 14 -9 47 17 Stoke City 37 12 6 19 -6 42 18 Huddersfield Town 37 11 9 17 -13 42 19 Middlesbrough 37 9 14 14 -10 41 20 Wigan Athletic 37 10 11 16 -12 41 21 Hull City 37 11 8 18 -14 41 22 Charlton Athletic 37 10 9 18 -10 39 23 Luton Town 37 10 5 22 -28 35 24 Barnsley 37 8 10 19 -20 34 Relegated from the Premier League three years ago, the club was taken over by the Egyptian-British Allam family in 2010. The club also sold arguably their two best players in the January transfer window, with Jarrod Bowen moving to West Ham and Kamil Grosicki signing for West Brom.
The season’s restart and protocols over training are set to be discussed further in Wednesday’s weekly EFL board meeting.
Hull were unavailable for comment on Tuesday morning.
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I can’t really see how they could come up with a way of mandating a contract extension - if the season goes beyond the 30th of June then the contract situation would turn it into a farce.golfaddick said:
Nothing.Redrobo said:What has been agreed re contracts?
Which is really THE big problem. Unless ALL 72 League clubs agree to a mandatory 3 month extension TO ALL PLAYERS then the season has to end now. Even then players like Taylor might not want to sign a short extension & could just let the run out. A bit of a risk because currently no-one knows what it going to happen after the summer & such players could find themselves "unemployed" for months.0 -
You cant give mandatory contractsgolfaddick said:
Nothing.Redrobo said:What has been agreed re contracts?
Which is really THE big problem. Unless ALL 72 League clubs agree to a mandatory 3 month extension TO ALL PLAYERS then the season has to end now. Even then players like Taylor might not want to sign a short extension & could just let the run out. A bit of a risk because currently no-one knows what it going to happen after the summer & such players could find themselves "unemployed" for months.
What if for arguments sake, Taylor was given a mandatory contract to finish the season and in one of those games he done his ACL or broke his leg.
Who is going to pay him for the next 9/10 months whilst he recovers.
Yes I know injuries could happen at anytime, but if it happens in a game that he wouldn't have been playing in otherwise then someone needs to pay him for the loss of earnings as he wont get a new contract at a new club.
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Burnley assistant manager: Ian Woan has been tested positive with COVID
Bang goes the Leeds-Liverpool theory its just bottom six teams against continuing in the Premier League so will use every tactic possible to stop it0 -
I mean you can’t give “mandatory contracts” because we have workers rights in this country.paulie8290 said:
You cant give mandatory contractsgolfaddick said:
Nothing.Redrobo said:What has been agreed re contracts?
Which is really THE big problem. Unless ALL 72 League clubs agree to a mandatory 3 month extension TO ALL PLAYERS then the season has to end now. Even then players like Taylor might not want to sign a short extension & could just let the run out. A bit of a risk because currently no-one knows what it going to happen after the summer & such players could find themselves "unemployed" for months.
What if for arguments sake, Taylor was given a mandatory contract to finish the season and in one of those games he done his ACL or broke his leg.
Who is going to pay him for the next 9/10 months whilst he recovers.
Yes I know injuries could happen at anytime, but if it happens in a game that he wouldn't have been playing in otherwise then someone needs to pay him for the loss of earnings as he wont get a new contract at a new club.1 -
We're talking 3 weeks from now at the absolute earliest of restarting imo. Which leaves 3 weeks to complete 9 games before the end of June so ~2 days between games.
I don't think the season will be completed. If it does then it'll have to be without the out of contract players which would be even more farcical than deciding the results on PPG which in itself is a joke.
I think if it isn't completed that the precedent set by L2 on finishing the season by PPG will mean the championship suffers the same fate. Hope not though, null and void all the way.0
