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Charlton v Millwall | Fri 03 Jul 2020| Post-match thread
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Numerous occasions scum fans fronting up looking for agg in our end over the years .
walking out of the old den /new den and scum fans looking for a ruck “come on then you train spotting c***s’ ffs you’ve just beaten us and now want to beat us up....
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If there was such a thing as a c***ometer millwall would go right off the scaleoohaahmortimer said:Numerous occasions scum fans fronting up looking for agg in our end over the years .
walking out of the old den /new den and scum fans looking for a ruck “come on then you train spotting c***s’ ffs you’ve just beaten us and now want to beat us up....
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blackpool72 said:
If there was such a thing as a c***ometer millwall would go right off the scaleoohaahmortimer said:Numerous occasions scum fans fronting up looking for agg in our end over the years .
walking out of the old den /new den and scum fans looking for a ruck “come on then you train spotting c***s’ ffs you’ve just beaten us and now want to beat us up....
Everyone has c***s but they outc*** everyone easilyThere is - this was the reading at the toolbox earlier in the season.
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Having been the one experiencing this situation,I totally disagree,and having spent over 65 years watching and playing football,my comments are certainly not down to naivety.Perhaps you should maybe just accept that sometimes even the fiercest of rivalries can be suspended to congratulate each other on the respective achievements.Covered End said:
Yes, because we had just put Chelsea (who they hate far more than us) in the play offs and ultimate relegation.thickandthin63 said:Forgive me for one last comment,I and I am sure many others recall the day we got a draw at Chelsea tostay up,we drove back through Millwall territory,they had secured promotion to the first division,my car was decked out in red and white(obviously)driving through a mass of blue and white,I feared the worst when a mob came towards me,I wound down the window,(to avoid the breaking glass which I was certain would come,)hands were shoved into the car,cans of beer offered,congratulations all round,very relieved but it was a moment which I will always remember.
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Thanks for the tip Len, I’ve managed to turn £10 in to £0.ricky_otto said:
Think I’ll do the very same bet. Got to get something out of our Charlton miseryLenGlover said:I am trying to do my bet to retrieve our desperate situation.
£10 treble on Huddersfield, Stoke and Boro today.
Hopefully I've cursed all three as my normal betting record mirrors that of Charlton against Millwall.3 -
oohaahmortimer said:Numerous occasions scum fans fronting up looking for agg in our end over the years .
walking out of the old den /new den and scum fans looking for a ruck “come on then you train spotting c***s’ ffs you’ve just beaten us and now want to beat us up....
Everyone has c***s but they outc*** everyone easily
Viewing things from a different perspective and geographical location, for me it’s Leeds who are the c***iest of any supporters. I’d like to see Elland Road burnt to the ground whereas at the New Den I’d be content with just a few broken seats and dismantled u-bends.
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Leeds are proper scum but they have 3 times the support of the scum so they can’t outc*** themAddickUpNorth said:oohaahmortimer said:Numerous occasions scum fans fronting up looking for agg in our end over the years .
walking out of the old den /new den and scum fans looking for a ruck “come on then you train spotting c***s’ ffs you’ve just beaten us and now want to beat us up....
Everyone has c***s but they outc*** everyone easily
Viewing things from a different perspective and geographical location, for me it’s Leeds who are the c***iest of any supporters. I’d like to see Elland Road burnt to the ground whereas at the New Den I’d be content with just a few broken seats and dismantled u-bends.
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We hate those c***s as well. I’d say a lot more actual hatred towards Leeds from Millwall than towards Charlton.AddickUpNorth said:oohaahmortimer said:Numerous occasions scum fans fronting up looking for agg in our end over the years .
walking out of the old den /new den and scum fans looking for a ruck “come on then you train spotting c***s’ ffs you’ve just beaten us and now want to beat us up....
Everyone has c***s but they outc*** everyone easily
Viewing things from a different perspective and geographical location, for me it’s Leeds who are the c***iest of any supporters. I’d like to see Elland Road burnt to the ground whereas at the New Den I’d be content with just a few broken seats and dismantled u-bends.With Charlton it’s a local rivalry that we obviously want to win for bragging rights. with leeds, West Ham, and to a lot palace, it’s a proper hatred. Obviously I can’t speak for all Millwall fans but that’s the general impression I get.3 -
You and me both mate.ricky_otto said:
Thanks for the tip Len, I’ve managed to turn £10 in to £0.ricky_otto said:
Think I’ll do the very same bet. Got to get something out of our Charlton miseryLenGlover said:I am trying to do my bet to retrieve our desperate situation.
£10 treble on Huddersfield, Stoke and Boro today.
Hopefully I've cursed all three as my normal betting record mirrors that of Charlton against Millwall.
At least the results took a little bit of pressure of Charlton so not all bad.2 -
Thanks for your sacrifice Len. Do you think you could put some money on Bristol City to lose in their next three games too?
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Lets be realistic, there are some factors surrounding us over the last 10-12 years (basically since relegation from the prem) that would help Millwall get the edge in this derby in that time span.
The biggest factor is how unstable Charlton have been as a club in that period of time, players coming and going, ownership all over the place, managers coming and going, the squad being rebuilt from scratch season after season, a squad more often then not consisting of mainly short term contract players (and managers!), loans and free cast offs. Millwall on the other hand have been pretty stable, theyve had a handful of managers in that period of time, no real major ownership/cashflow issues and a consistently more settled squad with multiple long term serving players. So when we play them, its basically whatever team we cobbled together that week/month/season vs a stable club with a solid squad. A squad that has only played together regularly since the previous August, with a bunch of loans and free transfers, many of those being players who perhaps are only at Charlton to help secure their next (bigger) move and would struggle to get extra motivated for a derby, vs a well drilled settled team of journeymen and club stalwarts and a manager who has been there for years.
In the 12 years weve been bouncing around L1 and the Champ, weve only actually been in the same league with them 6 of those seasons, and Id argue weve only really had a genuinely very good quality side perhaps two of those seasons? Id say 2009/10 and 2014/15. Yes we failed to beat them in those seasons too, but I think if we had teams of that quality in the other seasons I think we would have beaten them more then once. Id argue that if we played them with the teams we had last season, and during 11/12 we would have won.
Another factor is that we never get the rub of the green and weve had all manner of odd occurances/weird moments that have conspired against us such as:
- Bauer's disallowed goal in 2016/17
- Solly being sent off at the Den when the ball hit him in the face in 2014/15
- Tucudeans open goal miss in in 2014/15.
- A feeling that we always seem to catch them at the wrong time, ie just as they start a long unbeaten wrong, or when we have an injury crisis.
Ive clutched about 50 straws here probably, but its not as simple as "theyre just better then us" or "they want it more" although they are also factors to a degree.
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Let's be honest, we got what we deserved for that performance. As unlucky as the goal was.
The Bonne chance (bon chance) was the best one we had, I think he's gotta be cutting it back to either Hemed or McGeady for a better shot than the one he took on. If he does take it on, he's gotta do better than that.
Hemed also settled for a bad shot on his chance. Taylor probably does something better with both of those, which is obviously a very unhelpful thing to say.
Just gotta hope that there's another win in us somewhere. I think there is.2 -
We got what we deserved for one reason and one reason only.BenHaimandBikey said:Let's be honest, we got what we deserved for that performance. As unlucky as the goal was.
The Bonne chance (bon chance) was the best one we had, I think he's gotta be cutting it back to either Hemed or McGeady for a better shot than the one he took on. If he does take it on, he's gotta do better than that.
Hemed also settled for a bad shot on his chance. Taylor probably does something better with both of those, which is obviously a very unhelpful thing to say.
Just gotta hope that there's another win in us somewhere. I think there is.
They scored and we didn't.
Otherwise despite many of the moanings on here, it was an even match - as the stats prove.1 -
I'm not sure the off field reasons are that relevant, as they might explain why we lost matches in general, but not why we lost to Millwall. And we managed to lose, even when things were stable!CAFCTrev said:Lets be realistic, there are some factors surrounding us over the last 10-12 years (basically since relegation from the prem) that would help Millwall get the edge in this derby in that time span.
The biggest factor is how unstable Charlton have been as a club in that period of time, players coming and going, ownership all over the place, managers coming and going, the squad being rebuilt from scratch season after season, a squad more often then not consisting of mainly short term contract players (and managers!), loans and free cast offs. Millwall on the other hand have been pretty stable, theyve had a handful of managers in that period of time, no real major ownership/cashflow issues and a consistently more settled squad with multiple long term serving players. So when we play them, its basically whatever team we cobbled together that week/month/season vs a stable club with a solid squad. A squad that has only played together regularly since the previous August, with a bunch of loans and free transfers, many of those being players who perhaps are only at Charlton to help secure their next (bigger) move and would struggle to get extra motivated for a derby, vs a well drilled settled team of journeymen and club stalwarts and a manager who has been there for years.
For example in Spring 2013 we finished the Championship season in style under Powell, including the 6-0 at Barnsley. We won SIX of our last 10 matches, losing only one...against Millwall at home.
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Forgot that Millwall was during the end of season run, that might be the strongest team weve ever faced them with in the last 12 years actually.killerandflash said:
I'm not sure the off field reasons are that relevant, as they might explain why we lost matches in general, but not why we lost to Millwall. And we managed to lose, even when things were stable!CAFCTrev said:Lets be realistic, there are some factors surrounding us over the last 10-12 years (basically since relegation from the prem) that would help Millwall get the edge in this derby in that time span.
The biggest factor is how unstable Charlton have been as a club in that period of time, players coming and going, ownership all over the place, managers coming and going, the squad being rebuilt from scratch season after season, a squad more often then not consisting of mainly short term contract players (and managers!), loans and free cast offs. Millwall on the other hand have been pretty stable, theyve had a handful of managers in that period of time, no real major ownership/cashflow issues and a consistently more settled squad with multiple long term serving players. So when we play them, its basically whatever team we cobbled together that week/month/season vs a stable club with a solid squad. A squad that has only played together regularly since the previous August, with a bunch of loans and free transfers, many of those being players who perhaps are only at Charlton to help secure their next (bigger) move and would struggle to get extra motivated for a derby, vs a well drilled settled team of journeymen and club stalwarts and a manager who has been there for years.
For example in Spring 2013 we finished the Championship season in style under Powell, including the 6-0 at Barnsley. We won SIX of our last 10 matches, losing only one...against Millwall at home.1 -
Decision to substitute Morgan at half-time, our most creative player, was tactical according to Bowyer.2
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Bowyer may not have been too happy the way Morgan lost concentration leading the Jed Wallace? chance when Diillon had to make a point blank save to deny him. His work rate has been good since his return and his ability to pick a pas has never been in doubt but defensively there's still room for improvement.The Red Robin said:Decision to substitute Morgan at half-time, our most creative player, was tactical according to Bowyer.0 -
I do find it strange the approach towards Morgan, yeah sure he made a mistake there but why hasn't he called out Matthews for the mistake that actually led to a goal?The Red Robin said:Decision to substitute Morgan at half-time, our most creative player, was tactical according to Bowyer.0 -
The change absolutely fucked us. Zero creativity in the middle of the park and just invited them onto us. Wrong call in my opinion.The Red Robin said:Decision to substitute Morgan at half-time, our most creative player, was tactical according to Bowyer.4 -
He tracked all the way back and forced Wallace into a poor shot.RedChaser said:
Bowyer may not have been too happy the way Morgan lost concentration leading the Jed Wallace? chance when Diillon had to make a point blank save to deny him. His work rate has been good since his return and his ability to pick a pas has never been in doubt but defensively there's still room for improvement.The Red Robin said:Decision to substitute Morgan at half-time, our most creative player, was tactical according to Bowyer.
Defensively since the restart I'd say Morgan has been better.1 - Sponsored links:
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Was it Matthews or more like Hemed who failed to track Coopers run and gave up after about 10 yards and just watched on 😲.jacob_CAFC said:
I do find it strange the approach towards Morgan, yeah sure he made a mistake there but why hasn't he called out Matthews for the mistake that actually led to a goal?The Red Robin said:Decision to substitute Morgan at half-time, our most creative player, was tactical according to Bowyer.2 -
This is an absolutely prime example of Bowyer's limitations as a manager, and perhaps a clue as to why he hasn't been snapped up by a 'bigger' club yet. Very good at assembling a solid team who'll fight for each other, not very good at...attacking football of any descriptionCroydon said:
The change absolutely fucked us. Zero creativity in the middle of the park and just invited them onto us. Wrong call in my opinion.The Red Robin said:Decision to substitute Morgan at half-time, our most creative player, was tactical according to Bowyer.1 -
(Not that we could do much better in present circumstances, sorry Lee etc etc)0
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Whoever it was they didn't get chastised publically like Albie didRedChaser said:
Was it Matthews or more like Hemed who failed to track Coopers run and gave up after about 10 yards and just watched on 😲.jacob_CAFC said:
I do find it strange the approach towards Morgan, yeah sure he made a mistake there but why hasn't he called out Matthews for the mistake that actually led to a goal?The Red Robin said:Decision to substitute Morgan at half-time, our most creative player, was tactical according to Bowyer.0 -
I never said he hasn't Daz but there is still room for improvement. I'm a hard taskmaster as is Bowyer 😉.Dazzler21 said:
He tracked all the way back and forced Wallace into a poor shot.RedChaser said:
Bowyer may not have been too happy the way Morgan lost concentration leading the Jed Wallace? chance when Diillon had to make a point blank save to deny him. His work rate has been good since his return and his ability to pick a pas has never been in doubt but defensively there's still room for improvement.The Red Robin said:Decision to substitute Morgan at half-time, our most creative player, was tactical according to Bowyer.
Defensively since the restart I'd say Morgan has been better.1 -
They did from me the air was blue in my living room but then again Hemed has got issues at the other end of the pitch 😏jacob_CAFC said:
Whoever it was they didn't get chastised publically like Albie didRedChaser said:
Was it Matthews or more like Hemed who failed to track Coopers run and gave up after about 10 yards and just watched on 😲.jacob_CAFC said:
I do find it strange the approach towards Morgan, yeah sure he made a mistake there but why hasn't he called out Matthews for the mistake that actually led to a goal?The Red Robin said:Decision to substitute Morgan at half-time, our most creative player, was tactical according to Bowyer.0 -
Even so I'd argue Bowyer got it wrong taking him off. You can't punish a player for one mistake in an otherwise very good first half by the player.
I do think there's more defensively Morgan can do (learn to time a tackle better)0 -
Massively surprised. It wasn't as if we were being overrun in central midfield at the timeThe Red Robin said:Decision to substitute Morgan at half-time, our most creative player, was tactical according to Bowyer.
I can only assume that with Pratley playing as an additional CB, he wanted 2 defensive minded midfielders in front of the back 3, but to me it sent completely the wrong message out to Millwall4 -
Yep and it cost us really as we lost all creative flow.killerandflash said:
Massively surprised. It wasn't as if we were being overrun in central midfield at the timeThe Red Robin said:Decision to substitute Morgan at half-time, our most creative player, was tactical according to Bowyer.
I can only assume that with Pratley playing as an additional CB, he wanted 2 defensive minded midfielders in front of the back 3, but to me it sent completely the wrong message out to Millwall0 -
The Sheffield Wednesday game was another 'tactical masterclass' where he basically went all bunker-mentality when the opposition were there for the taking. The Charlton way. We, as a club, need a therapistkillerandflash said:
Massively surprised. It wasn't as if we were being overrun in central midfield at the timeThe Red Robin said:Decision to substitute Morgan at half-time, our most creative player, was tactical according to Bowyer.
I can only assume that with Pratley playing as an additional CB, he wanted 2 defensive minded midfielders in front of the back 3, but to me it sent completely the wrong message out to Millwall1
