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Barnsley threatening EFL ahead of Disciplinary action for Wednesday, Derby & Birmingham
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I'm worried that the EFL will find a way to dock us points because we can't find anyone since January who can prove source and sufficiency of funding. If we can't provide that going forward I'd say there is a chance they won't let us compete next season.oohaahmortimer said:Can we name who owns us and have they given the EFL what they require in the last 7 months
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The 1st part can't happen, the second looks increasing likley.LargeAddick said:
I'm worried that the EFL will find a way to dock us points because we can't find anyone since January who can prove source and sufficiency of funding. If we can't provide that going forward I'd say there is a chance they won't let us compete next season.oohaahmortimer said:Can we name who owns us and have they given the EFL what they require in the last 7 months1 -
so if ESI v2 are not approved we are back to Nimer & Southall who we both know can't provide source or sufficiency of funds. EFL are not going to let that continue into next season.Redrobo said:We are under serious sanctions at the moment but have not broken any rules. Those sanctions are enough to force the issues and for once, the EFL doing nothing is what would be the best thing for them to do, but they should make the position public.If the new consortium can’t pass the owner tests they cannot buy the club. Fine. At least B&V will know who they are trying to purchase the club from.
If they do pass the tests. Fine. Publish the plans to take us forward and give Bows a decent budget or sell us on again.
Just hurry up and get on with it FFS.
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Then they should be clear on that pronto & so PV & AB know who they are dealing with. Following on from the Talksport crap this morning PV said to Rich Cawley that they can't proceed further until they know who owns us.LargeAddick said:
so if ESI v2 are not approved we are back to Nimer & Southall who we both know can't provide source or sufficiency of funds. EFL are not going to let that continue into next season.Redrobo said:We are under serious sanctions at the moment but have not broken any rules. Those sanctions are enough to force the issues and for once, the EFL doing nothing is what would be the best thing for them to do, but they should make the position public.If the new consortium can’t pass the owner tests they cannot buy the club. Fine. At least B&V will know who they are trying to purchase the club from.
If they do pass the tests. Fine. Publish the plans to take us forward and give Bows a decent budget or sell us on again.
Just hurry up and get on with it FFS.0 -
EFL AGM in middle of August and we may not know until then which clubs will be relegated0
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Decent summary.eaststandmike said:If Wednesday and Derby both get away with no fine/deduction, it’s certainly down to EFL, as both are saying they were in contact with them throughout the ground sales etc.4 -
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But what does that mean? The EFL knew about the sales, and I believe approved them, but it’s a question of what they approved.stoneroses19 said:
Decent summary.eaststandmike said:If Wednesday and Derby both get away with no fine/deduction, it’s certainly down to EFL, as both are saying they were in contact with them throughout the ground sales etc.Did they tell Derby they could do a transaction like this, but not the exorbitant over valuation of the ground, which was simply a means to inject funds. I doubt there would have been an investigation if Derby had sold the ground at something near book value.Similarly Wednesday, they agreed they could sell the ground, but did they approve backdating the transaction to nullify a potential FPP violation? I doubt it.Just because the EFL approved something, doesn’t mean they were informed of, or approved, every aspect of the deal.2 -
Is it worth writing to Damian Collins to express the need for another select committee looking into the (nonexistent) governance of the game by the EFL? They've already accused the EFL of failing to execute its own rules in the wake of the Bury situation. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50132652There's absolutely no integrity to the competition anymore if clubs still don't know whether or not they're relegated after the final game of the season. Either way, it all makes my blood boil.
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That makes the whole thing even more farcical if they both get found not guilty.stoneroses19 said:
Decent summary.eaststandmike said:If Wednesday and Derby both get away with no fine/deduction, it’s certainly down to EFL, as both are saying they were in contact with them throughout the ground sales etc.2 -
This is how the EFL spell Integrity on their website
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Seems to be a fairly popular opinion on Owls talk that if they're going to be found guilty, they'd rather have the deduction this season and deal with it, so they're effectively a year ahead.
If they start next season on -12, -15, -21 or whatever, they're effectively relegated as it'll be tough to sign players up to play in a side that will likely finish bottom. Then the year after that they'll be in league one.
Many fans are saying they'd rather get it over and done with now.5 -
You can see the argument for that. They could get promoted from League One and if they faced it in the Championship, they are more likely to be relegated than not.
It is marginal though. However, it shouldn't be what is best for them or not. I do feel for the fans a bit. This could and should have been handled with more urgency by the EFL. They can probably blame the club, but it is the fans I feel sorry for.2 -
They wouldn't be facing any deduction in League One, the deduction would be this season which would relegate them.MuttleyCAFC said:You can see the argument for that. If they faced the deduction in League One, it would be easier to overcome and they could still have a go at the play offs. Even if they didn't do that, they could build for the next season from a more stable base. If they faced it in the Championship, they are more likely to be relegated than not.
It is marginal though. However, it shouldn't be what is best for them or not. I do feel for the fans a bit. This could and should have been handled with more urgency by the EFL. They can probably blame the club, but it is the fans I feel sorry for.0 -
https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/sheffield-wednesday-efl-charge-qa-why-has-it-taken-so-long-and-how-long-would-appeal-take-2919614
An update on the Wednesday situation.
A key bit to me is if the points deduction doesn't relegate them there would be no legal recourse for the club relegated in thier place.1 -
The only team with a strong legal case will be the team that finishes 22nd, because the teams in 23rd and 24th will be relegated with or without a points deduction (unless of course same happens with Wigan).1
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Cafc43v3r said:https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/sheffield-wednesday-efl-charge-qa-why-has-it-taken-so-long-and-how-long-would-appeal-take-2919614
An update on the Wednesday situation.
A key bit to me is if the points deduction doesn't relegate them there would be no legal recourse for the club relegated in thier place.If there is to be a points deduction then it cannot be less than 12 (Birmingham 9 points with 3 off because they cooperated) - in which case they are relegated based on the table now.The key is the first word in the above sentence.5 -
I know, you were quick. I changed it almost immediately!cafcfan1990 said:
They wouldn't be facing any deduction in League One, the deduction would be this season which would relegate them.MuttleyCAFC said:You can see the argument for that. If they faced the deduction in League One, it would be easier to overcome and they could still have a go at the play offs. Even if they didn't do that, they could build for the next season from a more stable base. If they faced it in the Championship, they are more likely to be relegated than not.
It is marginal though. However, it shouldn't be what is best for them or not. I do feel for the fans a bit. This could and should have been handled with more urgency by the EFL. They can probably blame the club, but it is the fans I feel sorry for.
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Sorry was just having flick through at the right time!MuttleyCAFC said:
I know, you were quick. I changed it almost immediately!cafcfan1990 said:
They wouldn't be facing any deduction in League One, the deduction would be this season which would relegate them.MuttleyCAFC said:You can see the argument for that. If they faced the deduction in League One, it would be easier to overcome and they could still have a go at the play offs. Even if they didn't do that, they could build for the next season from a more stable base. If they faced it in the Championship, they are more likely to be relegated than not.
It is marginal though. However, it shouldn't be what is best for them or not. I do feel for the fans a bit. This could and should have been handled with more urgency by the EFL. They can probably blame the club, but it is the fans I feel sorry for.0 -
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My understanding is that the hearing involving Sheffield Wednesday has not yet been completed - they are still submitting evidence. So nowhere near the appeal stage yet.0
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Have a horrible feeling that the EFL will say that due the complexities and time involved in both cases that any punishment will be effective from next season5
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who is "still submitting evidence" wendies or EFL?bobmunro said:My understanding is that the hearing involving Sheffield Wednesday has not yet been completed - they are still submitting evidence. So nowhere near the appeal stage yet.
what can possibly take from November til now to produce - if it has any validity at all
Yet more evidence that EFL is a willing contributor and active participant in the maximum deferment of proceedings and mitigation of any grounds for sanction - in short they're in it up to their necks4 -
StigThundercock said:
who is "still submitting evidence" wendies or EFL?bobmunro said:My understanding is that the hearing involving Sheffield Wednesday has not yet been completed - they are still submitting evidence. So nowhere near the appeal stage yet.
what can possibly take from November til now to produce - if it has any validity at all
Yet more evidence that EFL is a willing contributor and active participant in the maximum deferment of proceedings and mitigation of any grounds for sanction - in short they're in it up to their necks
Wendies.
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All the evidence was put together for the tribunal before the tribunal sat. Information from Wednesday was that some of the evidence they provided was too late to be included at the hearing and was inadmissible.bobmunro said:My understanding is that the hearing involving Sheffield Wednesday has not yet been completed - they are still submitting evidence. So nowhere near the appeal stage yet.
From Owlstalk, they were saying the hearing only lasted three days.
I still believe they've not released the outcome to ensure the integrity of the remaining games in the league.1 -
Or Plan B as the EFL call it.raytreacy69 said:Have a horrible feeling that the EFL will say that due the complexities and time involved in both cases that any punishment will be effective from next season0 -
Addickted said:
All the evidence was put together for the tribunal before the tribunal sat. Information from Wednesday was that some of the evidence they provided was too late to be included at the hearing and was inadmissible.bobmunro said:My understanding is that the hearing involving Sheffield Wednesday has not yet been completed - they are still submitting evidence. So nowhere near the appeal stage yet.
From Owlstalk, they were saying the hearing only lasted three days.
I still believe they've not released the outcome to ensure the integrity of the remaining games in the league.
My information isn't from Owlstalk!
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Massive Life?bobmunro said:Addickted said:
All the evidence was put together for the tribunal before the tribunal sat. Information from Wednesday was that some of the evidence they provided was too late to be included at the hearing and was inadmissible.bobmunro said:My understanding is that the hearing involving Sheffield Wednesday has not yet been completed - they are still submitting evidence. So nowhere near the appeal stage yet.
From Owlstalk, they were saying the hearing only lasted three days.
I still believe they've not released the outcome to ensure the integrity of the remaining games in the league.
My information isn't from Owlstalk!7 -
Care to elaborate more (obviously not sources) because I thought it was common knowledge that the tribunal finished over 2 weeks ago. Also, supposedly, the lawyer presenting SW is now representing Derby I their case.bobmunro said:Addickted said:
All the evidence was put together for the tribunal before the tribunal sat. Information from Wednesday was that some of the evidence they provided was too late to be included at the hearing and was inadmissible.bobmunro said:My understanding is that the hearing involving Sheffield Wednesday has not yet been completed - they are still submitting evidence. So nowhere near the appeal stage yet.
From Owlstalk, they were saying the hearing only lasted three days.
I still believe they've not released the outcome to ensure the integrity of the remaining games in the league.
My information isn't from Owlstalk!
I have no knowledge on any of this but I do read & remember as much as I can on it all.
Also, I thought the EFL would have said in their (non) statement if the hearings were still on-going as that would have been their best "out" as it were.
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On cooler reflection I've settled on the realisation that this whole "process" is just window dressing for the EFL to engage in its favourite hobbies, namely: lowering its strides, bending over and pleading to be shafted over and over again while being berated and verbally abused in the most profane and humiliating ways imaginable. No pain, or degradation ever quite satisfies them.bobmunro said:StigThundercock said:
who is "still submitting evidence" wendies or EFL?bobmunro said:My understanding is that the hearing involving Sheffield Wednesday has not yet been completed - they are still submitting evidence. So nowhere near the appeal stage yet.
what can possibly take from November til now to produce - if it has any validity at all
Yet more evidence that EFL is a willing contributor and active participant in the maximum deferment of proceedings and mitigation of any grounds for sanction - in short they're in it up to their necks
Wendies.1
