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ESI 1 v ESI 2 - Initial Hearing 01-02/09/2020, Court of Appeal 17/09/2020 (p127)

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  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,030
    Bold to assume PE will to TS. Wouldn’t surprise me if he was waiting to pass it on to another set of crooks
    My fear precisely
  • Is Chaisty Colin Robinson in disguise?
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Jints said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Jints said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Can LK use the football club, fans ... the season on a whole as part of a defence?

    EG its not just between Elliot and Nimer, the whole club is at stake?
    It's legally nothing to do with football ffs. 
    Disagree. ESI 1 can argue that delay diminishes the asset because of the imminent start of the season and potentially removes the chance of a sale. Therefore an interim injunction should not be awarded.
    But that could be settle with damages at a later point.  

    My point was it doesn't matter legally, if its a football club, a house or a sweet shop.  It's either been sold, has a contract of exclusiveity or it hasn't. 
    That's not what this hearing is about (at least I don't think it is). Breach of contract is normally remedied by damages. ESI 2 have to show that is not an adequate remedy should they be right about the contract and that an injunction is therefore necessary. 
    But you would only get the injunction if the 1st 2 were a serious possibility. 
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    Let’s hope LK didn’t get injured in the warm up.
  • redman
    redman Posts: 5,285
    Makes no difference to TS I'm sure. He either pays Elliott or pays Nimer. 
    Depends. If Nimer is asking for 500k and Elliott is asking for 5m it makes a difference.
    It's more complicated than that. This is for an injunction. If Elliot wins this the court case won't happen until November 
  • How long is this bloke allowed to chat for while effectively making the same three or four points repeatedly? Bloody hell...
    if he is doing that then he knows he hasn't got anything of substance to go on.

    If PE had a cast iron, watertight contract, with no conditions on it then Chaisty would have said that straight away & then sat down. Case closed. He didnt & has been waffling on because he knows PE hasnt a case.
    Hope you're right.

    Anxious to hear LK's argument now.
    I don’t this boring bloke is ever going to stop talking to allow her 
  • Jints
    Jints Posts: 3,491
    se9addick said:
    meldrew66 said:
    There is one single, simple decision for the judge: Is there (yes or no) a legally binding agreement for ESI to buy the club from Panorama Magic?
    I don’t think that’s true - I think the judge needs to decide whether there is sufficient evidence that the ownership is in doubt to grant an injunction pending a full trial to examine this properly. 

    Could be wrong.
    I'm pretty sure you are right plus whether damages would be adequate remedy if wonership is in doubt 
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,034
    Is LK sitting on a throne?
  • smiffyboy
    smiffyboy Posts: 4,314
    My god this fella goes on and on repeating the same stuff and contradicting himself
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  • Clear provision of false or misleading information to the EFL is reason for disqualification on August 7th. Chaisty argues that right to appeal to arbitration panel is clear, but says Mihail misunderstands rules. Throws doubt on his other points re EFL.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,668
    Chizz said:
    "The referee's assistant has indicated there will be a minimum of 60 minutes additional time". 
    No change there then
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,304
    edited September 2020
    EFL board found that Elliott had been owner since June 8th.

    Yet even Sandgaard said that the EFL had told him that it was Nimer who was the owner?
  • ozaddick
    ozaddick Posts: 2,844
    How long is this bloke allowed to chat for while effectively making the same three or four points repeatedly? Bloody hell...
    if he is doing that then he knows he hasn't got anything of substance to go on.

    If PE had a cast iron, watertight contract, with no conditions on it then Chaisty would have said that straight away & then sat down. Case closed. He didnt & has been waffling on because he knows PE hasnt a case.
    Hope you're right.

    Anxious to hear LK's argument now.
    I don’t this boring bloke is ever going to stop talking to allow her 
    Can’t the judge tell him to wind it up? 
  • Bold to assume PE will sell to TS. Wouldn’t surprise me if he was waiting to pass it on to another set of crooks
    TS actually has money, that's the difference

    A quick profit and a nice clean exit. 
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    EFL are cowards. They have been waiting for this hearing I assume when they needed to get those appeals heard quickly to inform the hearing.
  • ozaddick said:
    How long is this bloke allowed to chat for while effectively making the same three or four points repeatedly? Bloody hell...
    if he is doing that then he knows he hasn't got anything of substance to go on.

    If PE had a cast iron, watertight contract, with no conditions on it then Chaisty would have said that straight away & then sat down. Case closed. He didnt & has been waffling on because he knows PE hasnt a case.
    Hope you're right.

    Anxious to hear LK's argument now.
    I don’t this boring bloke is ever going to stop talking to allow her 
    Can’t the judge tell him to wind it up? 
    Think he as fallen a kip
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,458
    Note to self
    When a lawyer says they will get through these last bits very quickly that is by no means true
  • Jints
    Jints Posts: 3,491
    ozaddick said:
    How long is this bloke allowed to chat for while effectively making the same three or four points repeatedly? Bloody hell...
    if he is doing that then he knows he hasn't got anything of substance to go on.

    If PE had a cast iron, watertight contract, with no conditions on it then Chaisty would have said that straight away & then sat down. Case closed. He didnt & has been waffling on because he knows PE hasnt a case.
    Hope you're right.

    Anxious to hear LK's argument now.
    I don’t this boring bloke is ever going to stop talking to allow her 
    Can’t the judge tell him to wind it up? 
    yes
  • randy andy
    randy andy Posts: 5,454
    EFL board found that Elliott had been owner since June 8th.
    That can't be true. Since that date the EFL have told TS that ESI1 are the owners, and Farnell has stood up in front of this very judge and said that Elliott isn't the owner.
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  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 50,974
    Trying to keep up on this thread, Cawley's twitter and keeping an eye on Kent score, nothing going to well but always hope
  • ozaddick said:
    How long is this bloke allowed to chat for while effectively making the same three or four points repeatedly? Bloody hell...
    if he is doing that then he knows he hasn't got anything of substance to go on.

    If PE had a cast iron, watertight contract, with no conditions on it then Chaisty would have said that straight away & then sat down. Case closed. He didnt & has been waffling on because he knows PE hasnt a case.
    Hope you're right.

    Anxious to hear LK's argument now.
    I don’t this boring bloke is ever going to stop talking to allow her 
    Can’t the judge tell him to wind it up? 
    Think he as fallen a kip
    Has probably buggered off!!
  • Lauren pulled a face boring bloke casting doubt on mm as Romanian lawyer
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,624
    meldrew66 said:
    There is one single, simple decision for the judge: Is there (yes or no) a legally binding agreement for ESI to buy the club from Panorama Magic?
    Well, according to Farnell there is (was) but it was on condition that PE passed the EFL tests. And he should know as he was acting for PE at the time.

    Case closed.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,034
    edited September 2020
    Note to self
    When a lawyer says they will get through these last bits very quickly that is by no means true
    Neither would you if you were getting paid £5,000 an hour! 
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,801
    an argument that's he foreign so wrong, is a bit of a reach (he might be wrong, but even so)
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    Glad I didn't bother signing in again. Me bottle of Fischer been drunk already
  • meldrew66
    meldrew66 Posts: 2,561
    1 hour, 20 minutes into a 2 hour case and the defence hasn't spoken yet...…………..that's gotta be close to a record?!
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,885
    ozaddick said:
    How long is this bloke allowed to chat for while effectively making the same three or four points repeatedly? Bloody hell...
    if he is doing that then he knows he hasn't got anything of substance to go on.

    If PE had a cast iron, watertight contract, with no conditions on it then Chaisty would have said that straight away & then sat down. Case closed. He didnt & has been waffling on because he knows PE hasnt a case.
    Hope you're right.

    Anxious to hear LK's argument now.
    I don’t this boring bloke is ever going to stop talking to allow her 
    Can’t the judge tell him to wind it up? 
    No but you could mate and l'd button it straight away 😉


  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 10,961
    EFL board found that Elliott had been owner since June 8th.
    That can't be true. Since that date the EFL have told TS that ESI1 are the owners, and Farnell has stood up in front of this very judge and said that Elliott isn't the owner.

    I dare say LK might bring that point up. Same judge, after all - he wont take kindly to having been lied to
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