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ESI 1 v ESI 2 - Initial Hearing 01-02/09/2020, Court of Appeal 17/09/2020 (p127)

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  • He's done 10 frigging summaries, move over.
    Clearly a tactic to get this adjourned as there won't be enough time for the defense to argue its case............. 
  • This will be adjourned to another day when he finishes. 
  • Jints said:
    se9addick said:
    Note to self
    When a lawyer says they will get through these last bits very quickly that is by no means true
    Neither would you if you were getting paid £5,000 an hour! 
    He won't be getting paid by the hour. Will be a fixed fee (known as a brief fee). 
    Well if he got a brief fee why is he taking so long.  
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,034
    We’ve bottled it
  • Jints said:
    se9addick said:
    Note to self
    When a lawyer says they will get through these last bits very quickly that is by no means true
    Neither would you if you were getting paid £5,000 an hour! 
    He won't be getting paid by the hour. Will be a fixed fee (known as a brief fee). 
    QCs get paid by the word.
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,458
    I hope this twat doesn't start butting in when our girl starts
  • Yes press on 
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    I'm going with the logic that for all his waffling must mean he ain't got a lot in his armoury and he's playing for time. Just need a couple of bobby dazzlers from our LK 
  • swords_alive
    swords_alive Posts: 4,258
    edited September 2020

    From 20 mins ago, just for the record-

    Chaisty: There is no evidence that this injunction will cause the club harm or deny it any benefits

    Chaisty: We have two different sales of 1 pound. The sale to ESI and the sale to my client. #cafc #SaveCAFC
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    1
    1

    Chaisty: Elliott has made the point that Nimer has "washed his hands of the club"
  • Phew... Judge wants to press on!!

    Neither Judge or Chaisty can do tomorrow morning, no time pressure
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  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,990
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Jints said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Can LK use the football club, fans ... the season on a whole as part of a defence?

    EG its not just between Elliot and Nimer, the whole club is at stake?
    It's legally nothing to do with football ffs. 
    Disagree. ESI 1 can argue that delay diminishes the asset because of the imminent start of the season and potentially removes the chance of a sale. Therefore an interim injunction should not be awarded.
    But that could be settle with damages at a later point.  

    My point was it doesn't matter legally, if its a football club, a house or a sweet shop.  It's either been sold, has a contract of exclusiveity or it hasn't. 
    QC arguing that damages are no good because Panorama is a shell company based in Abu Dhabi and have no assets to pay any damages.
  • Chaisty has finished. Lauren Kreamer has asked whether she may be cut off tonight. She proposes to take about an hour. "My learned friend has had 90 minutes and will doubtless want a right of reply." Judge and Chaisty can't make tomorrow morning...
  • smiffyboy said:
    My god this fella goes on and on repeating the same stuff and contradicting himself
    That’s also a good description of Farnell. 
  • ozaddick
    ozaddick Posts: 2,844
    He's done 10 frigging summaries, move over.
    Clearly a tactic to get this adjourned as there won't be enough time for the defense to argue its case............. 
    This could work in our favour. It gives Lk time to dissect their statements. 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,990
    Half time & now "we" get a chance.
    Judge says will try & continue & finish tonight.
  • ozaddick
    ozaddick Posts: 2,844
    Only If it continues tomorrow. 
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,801
    Decision might not be today, the hearing will be heard 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Jints said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Can LK use the football club, fans ... the season on a whole as part of a defence?

    EG its not just between Elliot and Nimer, the whole club is at stake?
    It's legally nothing to do with football ffs. 
    Disagree. ESI 1 can argue that delay diminishes the asset because of the imminent start of the season and potentially removes the chance of a sale. Therefore an interim injunction should not be awarded.
    But that could be settle with damages at a later point.  

    My point was it doesn't matter legally, if its a football club, a house or a sweet shop.  It's either been sold, has a contract of exclusiveity or it hasn't. 
    QC arguing that damages are no good because Panorama is a shell company based in Abu Dhabi and have no assets to pay any damages.
    They will when TS gives them 6 large. 
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,347
    Go on Laura...
  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 10,961
    "Scant, brief and incoherent"

    LK's description of Chaisty's use of his own client's evidence
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  • Kreamer for Panorama says that Chaisty hasn’t referred to his own client’s evidence, which she says is scant and incoherent.
  • CAFCsayer
    CAFCsayer Posts: 10,223
    Hahahhaa, she's mugging the bloke off already
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    I can't see how any of the arguments would be a surprise. Maybe to us, but not to LK.
  • IdleHans said:
    "Scant, brief and incoherent"

    LK's description of Chaisty's use of his own client's evidence
    BRIEF?????
  • LOL SHES ALREADY MUGGING HIM OFF
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,885
    ozaddick said:
    RedChaser said:
    ozaddick said:
    How long is this bloke allowed to chat for while effectively making the same three or four points repeatedly? Bloody hell...
    if he is doing that then he knows he hasn't got anything of substance to go on.

    If PE had a cast iron, watertight contract, with no conditions on it then Chaisty would have said that straight away & then sat down. Case closed. He didnt & has been waffling on because he knows PE hasnt a case.
    Hope you're right.

    Anxious to hear LK's argument now.
    I don’t this boring bloke is ever going to stop talking to allow her 
    Can’t the judge tell him to wind it up? 
    No but you could mate and l'd button it straight away 😉


    I think you mean ‘wind it in’ mate! 😂
    hope you and yours are doing well red. 😊
    All good in Blighty mate you too 👍.
  • Has that gobshite QC shut up yet?
  • LK already reminding the Judge of the Southall case...
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 33,997
    IdleHans said:
    "Scant, brief and incoherent"

    LK's description of Chaisty's use of his own client's evidence
    BRIEF?????
    Not Chaisty ... Elliott’s ‘evidence’
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,347
    Has that gobshite QC shut up yet?
    Yes. And Laura's started well.
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